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Saint Louis, MO | The real question is... How much will the ISPs that choose to use this trash service gouge their customers that dont choose to "opt in"? | |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: The real question is... Privacy penalty recovery fee? | |
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| said by Karl Bode  :Privacy penalty recovery fee? you have this totally wrong, it will be the Assured Privacy Protection Plan. 9.95 a month.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: The real question is... $9.95 for each ad system I opt-out of, right? (DNS Redirection, clickstream data sale and behavioral advertising).
Meaning I pay more the more I want my data protected, right? Genius! | |
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vaxvms
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join:2005-03-01
Worcester, MA | New TOS? - You MUST opt-in | |
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BK3
join:2001-04-10
Geneva, IL | Re: The real question is... Tell ya what --- >
I'll Opt-IN if you'll split the NET proceeds with me 50/50.
(In cash)
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Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | It might be interesting how Obama changes things, with the democrats refusing anything from Lobbyists and special interests "To the extent we know of anyways", maybe something we want will get passed without corporations putting it into their favor. | |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | Clickstream What about the ISP's practice of selling our clickstreams? Isn't that just as bad as using DPI for behavioral tracking? | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Clickstream That's what I don't get either.
ISPs have been selling (and boldly denying they sell) clickstream data for years to websites like compete without any kind of opt out system of any kind. | |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | Re: Clickstream Maybe cause congress is not aware of this practice. | |
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join:2004-06-21
Palmdale, CA
clubs: | let just hope The Pirate Bay will Encrypt the Entire Internet ! | |
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join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
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| The difference is quite simple Sure, google can track you. BUT ONLY ON THEIR SITE. Once you leave, they can't tell where you are going. The problem with these SCUM BOTTOM FEEDERS, is they think they have the right to monitor EVERY MOUSE CLICK you make. AND THAT, is a total invasion of privacy.
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@comscore.com | Re: The difference is quite simple google is tracking every mouseclick if you have their toolbar and PageRank is enabled... | |
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jdjbuffalo
join:2004-01-17
Denver, CO
| About Time! IF the government requires this then they get a round of applause for looking out for the citizens.
This is the kind of thing that I expect, but rarely, see from the government.
Although, as it was stated above, I want to see them rope clickstream sales too with the Opt-in requirements. | |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Wiretapping laws still need to be addressed. The original concern over breaking of current laws will jhave to be addressed even if no new laws are passed.
And since this will actually directly affect the privacy of even the law makers themselves, unlike alot of issues brought before them to date, ie. they will actually see the results as they use the Internet, I'm not so sure the ad people will win.
This will make Internet use bad for business as well. Businesses are not going to want their business inspected to this degree by third parties. | |
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
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| It doesn't get any better than this quote:
Members of Congress who've been investigating behavioral advertising technology (like NebuAD's) may mandate the technology be opt in . . .
Now this is just about the most intelligent thoughts I've seen come from our congress-critters in a loooong time.
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dualsmp
join:2001-08-25
Charlotte, NC
| What if Opt-out really isn't Check this story on Nebuad below. Is Opt-out really opt-out? It looks like data is still collected regardless of whether you have opt-out/opt-in status. I still don't trust any of these ad/spyware companies as far as I could throw them.
And remember all it takes is for Nebuad to change their privacy policy whenever they want and boom -- anything goes (carte blanche).
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»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/10···visited/
Back in April, the company told us that "Once a user opts out, the user's surfing habits are no longer being observed by NebuAd. Once a user opts out, NebuAd removes the history on the user and will ignore the user's subsequent surfing habits." We took this to mean that if web surfers set that opt-out cookie, they're no longer tracked by NebuAd's hardware. But that may not be the case.
Some have speculated that NebuAd servers outside the ISP - and not the deep packet inspection (DPI) servers on inside - deal with opt-outs. Even if you opt-opt, these voices say, the deep packet inspection continues.
Robb Topolski, chief technology consultant for Free Press and Public Knowledge, two net watchdogs taking a stand against the likes of Phorm and NebuAd, argues that NebuAd has probably given the opt-out duties to those external servers in order to keep loads light on the DPI boxes.
"I...personally understand that these DPI boxes that are within the ISPs - while fast and capable - are kept to a minimum of processing load," he tells us. "ISPs won't tolerate anything that might limit or slow down the network, so these boxes are given quick and easy things to do."
So we've asked NebuAd yet again: If users opt-out, does their browsing history still leave the ISP's network? Are they still tracked by NebuAd hardware? And we received another carefully worded response: "When the user opts out, NebuAd does not collect the data on that user, and we do not serve targeted ads to that user. The data flowing through the system is immediately and permanently flushed out."
Does that mean your data leaves your ISP even if you opt-out? Sure sounds like it. But the company wouldn't comment further. And that's the trouble with NebuAd. It won't put its cards on the table. At the very least, web surfers deserve to know what's what.
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vaxvms
ferroequine fan
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join:2005-03-01
Worcester, MA
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| Re: What if Opt-out really isn't They say they're working on changing the opt-out tracking
»NebuAD Tries To Defuse Public Relations Nightmare
One primary concern was that NebuAD's current cookie-based opt-out system only opts users out of custom ad delivery, not browsing tracking. ISP insiders had told me that NebuAD was working on a new opt-out system -- something that has been confirmed this morning by a NebuAD press release, which says they're developing a "network based-opt out mechanism" that doesn't rely on cookies.
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dualsmp
join:2001-08-25
Charlotte, NC
| Re: What if Opt-out really isn't Check the first paragraph of the story though.
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Though Phorm-like behavioral ad targeter NebuAd has vowed to replace its cookie-based opt-out mechanism with an opt-out that's less crumbly, it appears that neither opt-out would completely opt you out.
So neither the cookie based opt-out or network based opt-out really opts a user out.
Anyways all this is completely insane by putting our faith in spyware companies to begin with. Nobody wants this hardware DPI crap in their ISP hoovering up all their data. All these spyware companies have put forth so far is PR spin, manipulation, deception, dodgy information, and underhanded "lawyer speak" maneuvering. Pretty much par for the course. | |
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| how it works - learn before you speak. Take a little time to investigate how it actually works, and not how "you hear" it works. It's helping me by filtering crap not relevant, and it computer specific, not person specific.
Also, it's not replacing ads from a web page. NebuAd actually buy's ad space on pages and inserts ads in those spaces based on surfing habits.
So all you porn people will see porn ads, so don't let your girlfriend use your PC...lol
On another thought, if you think the internet is in anyway anonymous, then you are sadly mistaken.
If this wasn't an election year, this wouldn't be news. Markey just likes to see his name in the paper... | |
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