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(old news - 10:13AM Wednesday May 02 2007)
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Lawmakers yesterday attacked the operators of the USDA's Rural Utilities Service, a $1.2 billion program tasked with expanding broadband Internet services to rural communities. The program was taken to task for missing many unserved rural areas in the country, while "channeling hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidized loans to companies in places where service already exists."

Since 2001, more than half the funds haven't gone to rural areas. "An Internet provider in Houston got $23 million in loans to wire affluent subdivisions, including one that boasts million-dollar houses and an equestrian center," cites the Post. Add a splash of admitted FCC failure at tracking broadband penetration, and throw in a dash of partisan policy gridlock for good measure.

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rodrod5

join:2001-02-28
Houston, TX

Why the USDA

why the USDA has become the catch all for all things "rural" is beyond me

P.S. I wish someone would take a look at that thing called food stamps


BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: Why the USDA

said by rodrod5 See Profile :

why the USDA has become the catch all for all things "rural" is beyond me

P.S. I wish someone would take a look at that thing called food stamps


Technically food stamps don't exist any more. they use a credit card looking thing.
Time4aNAP
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said by rodrod5 See Profile :

why the USDA has become the catch all for all things "rural" is beyond me
Think about who dwells out in the middle of nowhere. There are farmers. There are wealthy Hollywood types who own palatial rural getaways. And there's the occasional hermit.

The hermits don't want the utilities, and the wealthy don't deserve the subsidies. Who does that leave?

Karl Bode
News Guy
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Re: Why the USDA

The tens of millions of other regular lower or middle-class Americans who live in rural communities?

TScheisskopf
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Re: Why the USDA

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

The tens of millions of other regular lower or middle-class Americans who live in rural communities?
Much too easy an answer and idealogically impure, citizen. Please adjust your quotation to better reflect the pure thought of Chairman Rand.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
My friend is neither a farmer, a hermit or a hollywood type. Quit posting ignorant things.
Time4aNAP
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Re: Why the USDA

said by BF69 See Profile :

Quit posting ignorant things.
I wish you would. And maybe grow a sense of humor while you're at it.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
don't forget miners and lumberjacks.
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Time4aNAP
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Re: Why the USDA

said by en102 See Profile :

don't forget miners and lumberjacks.
Lumberjacks == tree farmers
Miners == mineral farmers
PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR

Everybody will have broadband in 8 months ...

That was a Bush campaign promise - everyone would have affordable broadband available to them by the end of 2007.

And we all know politicians never lie, right?
Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH
I live in what you term 'the middle of nowhere'. And I DO NOT fit any of your ignorant sterotypes listed above. If fact, none of my neighbors fit your sterotyping.
LostInWoods

join:2004-04-14

OK, troll, here's a brief and incomplete list:
Farmers
Bankers who loan the farmers money
Teachers who teach the Bankers kids
Dentists who fix the Teacher's teeth
Grocers who sell the Dentists food
Accountants who do the Grocers taxes

Etc, etc...

About the only thing missing (or less prevalent) in rural areas are smarmy asses who look down on people who don't live in their neighborhood...
Time4aNAP
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Re: Why the USDA

said by LostInWoods See Profile :

Farmers
Bankers who loan the farmers money
Teachers who teach the Bankers kids
Dentists who fix the Teacher's teeth
Grocers who sell the Dentists food
Accountants who do the Grocers taxes

Etc, etc...
Interesting how the teachers only teach the bankers' kids etc., and yet they all get their wealth from the farmer. Quite telling, no?

One tip: If you want to get better results while trolling, don't announce "this is a troll".
Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Re: Why the USDA

No, it is not quite telling, please explain for us that live in rural America.

FiL
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Silver Spring, MD

Re: Why the USDA

I think the USDA should subsidize a sense of humor for those 'po folks' out there in the boonies.

But then again, I haven't met a country folk type that hasn't referred to me as a 'Mexican'. And Im from Chile!
Time4aNAP
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Re: Humor and Lack Thereof

Chile? That's Mexican food!

cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN

Rural doesn't mean middle of nowhere homestead out in the country where the nearest neighbor is a mile away. Rural also includes the thousands of small towns across the country that barely have decent POTS, let alone broadband.
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Time4aNAP
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Re: Why the USDA

said by cdru See Profile :

Rural doesn't mean middle of nowhere homestead out in the country where the nearest neighbor is a mile away. Rural also includes the thousands of small towns across the country that barely have decent POTS, let alone broadband.
Since your post appears to be in good faith:

Yes, I know what "rural" means. My tongue-in-cheek reply to the question regarding the USDA's role in rural America was just that: tongue-in-cheek. There is no department of rural development, as there is HUD. Maybe it's time there is. I don't know. But until that time, the USDA is the closest thing.

DrModem
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I've have dwelled out in the middle of nowhere for 16 years and am none of the above.

I'm a web developer that want SOMETHING better than satelite and 56k so I have ISDN.

So stop posting such idiotic comments. Not all of us want to be in the cities crowded together, and some of us can't afford it.

KrK
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You mean that the these Telco Slush funds are awash with Fraud and Waste?

Who'd of thunk it?!
Time4aNAP
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I Can't Believe It

What? The executive branch funneling money away from people who need it, into the coffers of the wealthy? Unthinkable!

en102
Canadian, eh?

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Valencia, CA

Re: I Can't Believe It

in Texas, no less

Rob
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Re: I Can't Believe It

said by en102 See Profile :

in Texas, no less
YEA! I bet this was Bush's doing too!

TScheisskopf
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Re: I Can't Believe It

said by Rob See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :

in Texas, no less
YEA! I bet this was Bush's doing too!
Nah, the only broadband he likely knows about is something like the The Lennon Sisters. On the other hand, some of his political appointees should be fair game in this.
Time4aNAP
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said by Rob See Profile :

YEA! I bet this was Bush's doing too!
Well, he is the capo di tutti capi when it comes to executive branch agencies like the USDA. And he has been in office long enough to be responsible.

FiL
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Re: I Can't Believe It

...and so he is.

Rob
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said by Time4aNAP See Profile :

said by Rob See Profile :

YEA! I bet this was Bush's doing too!
Well, he is the capo di tutti capi when it comes to executive branch agencies like the USDA. And he has been in office long enough to be responsible.
True, but he isn't l'asso che vinci tutto!
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Re: I Can't Believe It

said by Rob See Profile :

True, but he isn't l'asso che vinci tutto!
Only in his mind, my friend. Only in his mind...

ColorBASIC
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What? Congress levies billions in new taxes and then wastes the money? Unthinkable!

DHRacer
Fire Survivor

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Lake Arrowhead, CA

Re: I Can't Believe It

No, it's "Inconceivable!"

TScheisskopf
World News Trust

join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
How do you come up with blaming Congress in this, when the program is administered by the USDA, an executive branch agency?

This ought to be good...

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odreian615

join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL

Ok I think I got it

These people use our tax dollars to help the rural middle to lowclass people to get broadband but instead they funnel the money to the rich rural people instead
Time4aNAP
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Re: Ok I think I got it

Almost. Take out the "rural" qualifier, and you're spot-on. The money is going to contractors, who aren't necessarily rural themselves. And in the case of the suburban luxury home development, their customers are definitely not rural or in need of a subsidy!

jslik
That just happened
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Couldn't understand...

...why some communities were eligible, as this article shows. I know of nearby 'rural' communities that are eligible, even though they are close enough to a metropolitan area to have something like 3-5 broadband providers. Go figure!

marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO

It is not just broadband

The exact same thing happened with the rural health clinics programs. The clinics ended up in suburbs.
The definitions on which these programs are based need to change.
Time4aNAP
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Re: It is not just broadband

said by marigolds See Profile :

The exact same thing happened with the rural health clinics programs. The clinics ended up in suburbs.
The definitions on which these programs are based need to change.
Another important issue in this regard.

My grandparents lived most of their lives in a small town that is 80+ miles from the nearest cities. It used to have a hospital, an ambulance, and (until it closed) one of my cousins on staff. The physicians who served my grandparents, mother, aunt, uncles, cousins and me have retired and/or passed away. Very few new MDs have come in to take their place.

My cousin the nurse now works at a clinic in a larger small town. (Although it's a county seat, her former home town has no clinics.) Any trauma cases must wait well past the Golden Hour for help to arrive, never mind getting to a regional trauma center.

Ironically, it was in the same town that I got my first glimpse of cable TV. Go figure.

MrMaster
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my parents still on dial-up

Yes, my parents are still on dial-up. Only option is satellite.

I would love to see rural america get broadband. It really sucks for them right now.
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Re: my parents still on dial-up

said by MrMaster See Profile :

Yes, my parents are still on dial-up. Only option is satellite.

I would love to see rural america get broadband. It really sucks for them right now.
Well, since there is such a demand in their area for it, why don't you start up a small ISP and sell it? I guess that would have been done already if it were worth the money to install such a system. Yeah, I guess it really is a crap plan to "contribute" to these "funds" the government allows companies to charge us fees for. If you ask me, I think the "fees" should appear on the bills of the people who were serviced by the installation of the ISP's equipment. In other words, Joe in Timbuktu should pay the fee's based on the percentage of others living in Timbuktu. I think it should be that way, but only for a reason. At least then the government would have better control over who gets the $$$, and who's abusing the $$$...
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Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Re: my parents still on dial-up

Sure, once Jacksonville gives back the $16,152,493 it received from 03 - 06 from Dept. of Homeland Security. After all, if you choose to live in a big city and make yourself a terrorist target, then pay for it yourself.

FiL
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Re: my parents still on dial-up

ha! Now THATS rich. Im with you on that, Nuts.

LOL.
dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

What do you people expect?!?

Gee, the Federal government let politics dictate where the money would go instead of actual need? Unthinkable! That's never happened before...

...what's that you say? The USF? Well, yeah, there's that... AND ALMOST EVERY OTHER SUCH PROGRAM THEY TOUCH.

But hey, never mind that! We need a National Broadband Policy administered by the Federal Government! This time it'll be different! Really! Our problems will be solved!

/sarc

It never ceases to amaze me how people witness time and again the Federal government act in a wasteful, politically-driven manner on matters that would be better handled locally, yet they insist on yet MORE, not less Federal government intervention on everything from broadband service to what gets played on the radio.

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ernliz

join:2001-11-25
Abilene, TX
·Clearwire Wireless

Rural Broadband -- A Farce

The USDA is certainly NOT auditing it's rural broadband program (no, idiots -- it's not Bush's fault). Here in the Abilene, TX area, the USDA gave lots of money to a wireless company called Xanadoo. This was to expand rural broadband service. So.......... Xanadoo set up their coverage to service Abilene city only, and the hell with the rural areas north of town. They have towers able to transmit in the rurals, but they don't wish to install the necessary pods. They simply cover the same areas as another wireless service has (Clearwire). Don't get me started!

Konaguy
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Re: Rural Broadband -- A Farce

I think the Sandwich Isles Communications fiber-optic
project takes the cake for USDA RUS AND USF waste. It is
being funded with 400 million in RUS loans, which will
be repaid by the USF. Essentially SIC is wiring DHHL
lands. Some of which are already serviced by Hawaiian Telcom.

»starbulletin.com/2002/06/04/news/story2.html
»the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic···07a.html
»the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic···01p.html
Time4aNAP
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said by ernliz See Profile :

(no, idiots -- it's not Bush's fault)
I have yet to see any person be an idiot as a result of being called an idiot. In fact, name-calling usually only reflects badly on the name-caller.

Bush's fault? In one sense of the word, probably not. Although I don't know for sure, my guess is that George W. Bush has little to no day-to-day knowledge of what the USDA is up to. And although some can argue that Bush is not really in charge at the White House, the fact remains that he signed his name is on the dotted line. In that sense of the word, Bush is most certainly at fault.

This is no different than the Enron scandal. (Hey, back to Texas! Houston, no less.) Ken Lay's defense was that he didn't know what his subordinates were doing. That may or may not be true; we'll never know for sure. But because it was his job, a responsibility that he took on willingly, he was in fact criminally liable.

Facts are facts, and no amount of invective will alter the facts.

tim_k
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how about me?

I've been waiting for FTTC (fiber to the cows) so that I can finally get decent internet service.
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Eric Martin

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Mesh and Mimo. Fiberoptics = EXPENSIVE.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-i···ications

&

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_network

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