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join:2006-07-24
West Hartford, CT | who cares.... what good is a 50Mb connection if you can't use it for more than 10hrs a month....it's like finding a fold mine and then was told you can only take two pieces of silver with you. | |
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join:2003-11-22
Springville, AL | Re: who cares.... said by smokarz:what good is a 50Mb connection if you can't use it for more than 10hrs a month....it's like finding a fold mine and then was told you can only take two pieces of silver with you. Silver in a gold mine? | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I agree in general, however, I think Comcast is using packet shaping vs. caps.
Either way, if I can run what I want (who's to say Sandvine won't interfere with Vonage / Skype ?) why would I want it.
Also, expect a price increase.
Good
1. Increase in data rates
2. More capacity for cable co.
Bad:
1. Sandvine
2. Most likely price increase
I'll keep my $25/month unfiltered/uncapped/unrestricted 3Mbps/512kbps, thanks
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join:2007-04-06
Ashburn, VA | Re: who cares.... Don't forget the invisible cap.
- Consume too much bandwidth and Comcast terminates you. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: who cares.... I forgot all about that one.
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| |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| said by en102:(who's to say Sandvine won't interfere with Vonage / Skype ?) Sandvine is going to have a pretty tough time injecting a TCP reset into a stateless stream of UDP-based RTP packets. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: who cares.... Yeah - UDP data stream is not the same as TCP connections, however, I do think that Skype does TCP connections as well, but its tough to filter/block.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Where are the... Whiners complaining about all of the money that Comcast is raking in, but not upgrading their infrastructure? | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7. There are plenty of users that will be ecstatic about upgraded throughput tiers that won't have any problems with caps/restrictions that Comcast places on their network. | |
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You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7
Technically Comcast's traffic shaping throttles upstream p2p traffic for all users regardless of consumption. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... Ok. You only need to worry about caps and P2P restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7 and seed files via P2P. | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3
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| Re: Where are the... said by openbox9:Ok. You only need to worry about caps and P2P restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7 and seed files via P2P. I wasn't aware Skype, OpenOffice, and Linux distros fell into the range of "ISP abuse". Thanks for clearing that up! | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... Is it that easy for you to put words in my mouth? Where did I say that Skype, OpenOffice, or Linux were "ISP abuse"? | |
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| | | |  knightmbEverybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | said by Karl Bode: quote:
You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7
Technically Comcast's traffic shaping throttles upstream p2p traffic for all users regardless of consumption. Except for business customers I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I can turn lose my BT and keep a 24/7 max upload all week then one would assume either I'm the only person in my city with Comcast (unlikely) or they are only doing this to residential customers and not business customers. | |
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| | |  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | said by openbox9:You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7. There are plenty of users that will be ecstatic about upgraded throughput tiers that won't have any problems with caps/restrictions that Comcast places on their network. How fast of a connection do you need if all you feel safe doing is sending an email to your grandma with a couple of pictures of the kids attached? Oops, don't attach too many pictures and heaven forbid you send a video clip, you might be accused of "abuse" and have your service terminated.
If having that awesome 50Mbps connection can't get you the stuff you want at awesome speed, but instead you're still limited to casual web browsing and sending/receiving a few emails, then what use is that 50Mbps connection when a 1Mbps connection would do that same thing with no noticeable difference? | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? How about downloading all of those hi-rez pictures and video clips from your grandchildrens' website? Anyway, you get my point. | |
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Where are the... How are people supposed to download those hirez pix/vids of their grandkids if you cant upload these large files.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... Why can't you upload? | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| said by openbox9:How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How quick do you really need them? You only need a basic broadband connection to be set for "first day downloads". Wether or not you're running the first patches from "patch Tuesday" within the first 20 minutes of release means *nothing*.
said by openbox9:How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? What, people on 1.5M connections can't use Amazon or iTunes?
said by openbox9:How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? I'd imagine it streams well enough over slower "standard" broadband connections.
etc., etc. Again, your average "surfing" grannie isn't going to benefit didly squat from a massive pipe connection. It caters more to those who're going to use the internet for lots of large file transfers - the exact same users Comcast labels as "abusive" once they hit the invisible bandwidth cap. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... said by Thaler:How quick do you really need them? Reading the posts in this forum, you'd think you need them as quick as possible. Isn't that one of the big arguments for having "fat pipes" into homes?said by Thaler:What, people on 1.5M connections can't use Amazon or iTunes? Of course they can. People with 1.5 Mbps connections can do almost anything they want on the 'net. See my previous point...besides, I'm not the one begging for 50 Mbps connections that I won't use.said by Thaler:I'd imagine it streams well enough over slower "standard" broadband connections. Most streams will work fine after a buffering period.said by Thaler:It caters more to those who're going to use the internet for lots of large file transfers - the exact same users Comcast labels as "abusive" once they hit the invisible bandwidth cap. Give me examples of routine, legitimate large file transfers that will be considered abusive. | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: Where are the... said by openbox9:Give me examples of routine, legitimate large file transfers that will be considered abusive. Music, Video, Patches, Software, files, distros, etc.
All those uses are legitimate, and the use/files will begin to add up in terms of GB/month. That's just the thing about bandwidth caps. Any user can it hit, and they can do so downloading legally OR illegaly - it doesn't discriminate for or against file legitimacy. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... You posted previously that a 1.5 Mbps is more than capable of downloading music, videos, patches, etc. You're playing both sides of the discussion. My point is that more throughput is useful regardless of caps and other restrictions. Normal users don't download/upload 24/7 and therefore more likely won't be affected, i.e. downloading legal music, video, software patches, Linux distros, etc. | |
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join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | Re: Where are the... said by openbox9:You posted previously that a 1.5 Mbps is more than capable of downloading music, videos, patches, etc. You're playing both sides of the discussion. My point is that more throughput is useful regardless of caps and other restrictions. Normal users don't download/upload 24/7 and therefore more likely won't be affected, i.e. downloading legal music, video, software patches, Linux distros, etc. Comcast thanks you for drinking their kool-aid. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... See my other post about not drinking kool-aid, despising American Idol, and being a Mac fan. Try thinking outside of your little box. | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| said by openbox9:My point is that more throughput is useful regardless of caps and other restrictions. How so? Caps still remain the same. The faster your connection, the more downloads you can whizz through and reach caps quicker.
If anything, a simple 1.5 M connection is probably a good broadband speed to operate on, lest you accidentally bump into Comcast's invisi-caps. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... Why is this so difficult to understand? If I use my connection to download 20 iTunes songs, 20 Amazon MP3s, 4 Netflix movies, and upload 5 new videos and 50 new pics of my 1-year old to my website per month, in addition to normal e-mail checking and web surfing, I'd much rather use a 50/5 connection than a 10/1 connection assuming the same cost to me). I won't have any problems with caps and I'll complete my action quicker. I go back to my earlier comment that if you aren't abusing your connection 24/7, more throughput is good and your ISP shouldn't give you a problem.
And of course a simple 1.5 Mbps connection is a good broadband throughput for a vast majority of users. Now if the rest of the "I need fiber and a Gbps connection jacked directly into my head" accepted that, life would be pretty boring around the discussion threads on this site. | |
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join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | said by openbox9:How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? How about downloading all of those hi-rez pictures and video clips from your grandchildrens' website? Anyway, you get my point. You miss the point. Download too much of Apple's HD content and you get hit with the "abuse" label and your account is terminated. Download too many mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes, you get terminated. And how do you UPLOAD those hi-rez pictures and video clips for grandma to download if your account gets terminated because you are labeled an abuser for using it to upload those pictures and video clips?
If Comcast can't deliver what they sell, then they shouldn't sell it. Don't sell a 50Mbps pipe that can only handle that speed for a brief millisecond before you throttle it down to dialup speed. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... I'm not missing any point. You're missing mine. You would need to download a significant number of Apple's HD videos and mp4 files to come close to receiving a warning from more ISPs. Considering those items cost $5 and $1 a piece, unless you have money to waste, I doubt you'll have to worry about that potential problem. The same thing goes for uploading pics for grandma. You're stretching to think that you'll be labelled an abuser for uploading personal pics and vids to your website. | |
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| hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | said by openbox9:Whiners complaining about all of the money that Comcast is raking in, but not upgrading their infrastructure? for at least a few more years, by the speeds currently provided by DOCSIS 1.x (or in Cablevision's case 2.0) networks. Still on DOCSIS 1.xx??
Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" 
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... There are many cablecos still utilizing DOCSIS 1.x that are operating just fine...mine included. | |
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| | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by hopeflicker:Still on DOCSIS 1.xx?? Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" What would they upgrade to? DOCSIS 2.0 has the same download channel capacity as 1.x, only the upstream gets improved from 9mbps to 27mbps. It provides no gains in video distribution, no significant gains in signal quality, and still required a complete CMTS card replacement.
The cable companies that have DOCSIS 2.0 only have it from initial deployments, no company in the industry upgraded because the ROI for 2.0 was crap.
3.0's big advantage is it allows MSOs to start deploying things like Switched Digital Video, which matters even more to cable companies than HSI speeds. | |
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Where are the... said by espaeth:said by hopeflicker:Still on DOCSIS 1.xx?? Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" What would they upgrade to? DOCSIS 2.0 has the same download channel capacity as 1.x, only the upstream gets improved from 9mbps to 27mbps. It provides no gains in video distribution, no significant gains in signal quality, and still required a complete CMTS card replacement. The cable companies that have DOCSIS 2.0 only have it from initial deployments, no company in the industry upgraded because the ROI for 2.0 was crap. 3.0's big advantage is it allows MSOs to start deploying things like Switched Digital Video, which matters even more to cable companies than HSI speeds. oh, that's right, customers don't need upstream. 
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Suffern, NY | said by espaeth:said by hopeflicker:Still on DOCSIS 1.xx?? Long over due for "upgrading their infrastructure" What would they upgrade to? DOCSIS 2.0 has the same download channel capacity as 1.x, only the upstream gets improved from 9mbps to 27mbps. It provides no gains in video distribution, no significant gains in signal quality, and still required a complete CMTS card replacement. The cable companies that have DOCSIS 2.0 only have it from initial deployments, no company in the industry upgraded because the ROI for 2.0 was crap. CableVision (who is my connectivity provider) was DOCSIS 1.1 at 10/1. They DID spend the money to offer DOCSIS 2.0 (BOOST) at initially 30/2 (now 30/5) and bumped their DOCSIS 1.1 to 10/2 (and now 15/2). Thus your "Spend the ROI Money" claim is inaccurate. So is your DOCSIS 1.1 Download speed max being the same as DOCSIS 2.0 max since for me to get BOOST (DOCSIS 2.0) my DOCSIS 1.1 modem had to be replaced with a DOCSIS 2.0 modem (since the old one did not have the download speed capability). | |
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: Where are the... said by RARPSL:So is your DOCSIS 1.1 Download speed max being the same as DOCSIS 2.0 max since for me to get BOOST (DOCSIS 2.0) my DOCSIS 1.1 modem had to be replaced with a DOCSIS 2.0 modem (since the old one did not have the download speed capability). Comcast ran into the same problem with PowerBoost with certain older modems, particularly the earlier Surfboards and RCA modems where not capable of delivering speeds at the full DOCSIS 1.1 rates. As for the download speeds being the same, that's a fact. See:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docsis
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Sir I also ask you to leave your expectations for service at the door. Thank you... Comcast Managem.... err Bosstonesown
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: Where are the... I'm not drinking any kool-aid, I despise American Idol, and I am a Mac fan. I do have expectations for services that I pay money for, and for the most part, I'm satisfied. I do appreciate your genuine concern though. | |
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Ra-Ra we are ahead rolling out Docsis 3.0 ! 20 % of the foot print will have it by the end of the year !! Ra-Ra..!!! 20% this year and 2% each year afterwards.
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Lees Summit, MO | Interesting thing about my connection.. I'm sure that my area (Independence, MO) is DOCSIS 2.0 and the tech that installed my Comcast Digital Voice said that they were already working on out the next system for deployments. I go to 192.168.100.1 and the management page says that it is DOCSIS 1.x. Odd, huh. Speeds are great though. | |
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In the rural areas its the exact opposite... they have only done one speed increase - 4 to 6mbit for the lower speed and from 6-8 for the higher tier...
But the bill went up like 6 times, from the original 40/mo, to now were paying almost 7/month ever since comcast took adelphia over here in so Florida...
The cartoon network porn made me LOL, too bad they'll only get a slap on the wrist for that... | |
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| |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Back in 2003, I was paying $42.95 for 1500k/256k
today, you can get 6000k/384k for that same $42.95.
I pay the extra $10.00 for faster speeds.
Started paying when speeds were 3000k and got 4000k for $52.95.
RIGHT THIS MINUTE, I am paying the same $52.95 and getting sustained 8000/768(with PowerBoost to 32+mbps/1800 for 40MB)
Soon, it will be the same $52.95 and I will have 16000/2000 sustained.
Comcast is multiplying speeds and not touching the HSI pricing.
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| ThalerPremium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Just don't use your speed too much, or Comcast will cop a squat with you.
Myself, I'm rather happy on my "do whatever" pipe from my ISP. It may be slower than some of the offerings of other ISPs in my area, but I don't need to worry about downloading too much, using "bad" protocols, or having any other uses blocked. 
Actually, last time I checked, Comcast still only met the same offering as my DSL in the area, at the same price, but for a gimped product. Thanks, but no thanks. | |
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| | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
2 edits | Re: Track Records... Me? I don't think so!
I have 8mbps now and I rarely hit 30GB per month.
Faster doesn't mean more - just means less time for what I do download... that's it!
Since it isn't going to cost a penny more, sure I'll take it!
Free is good!
Glad you are hapopy with DSL there, here DSL is a freakin joke!
Currently, I am doing whatever I want on my line. 
They want to bring DOCSIS 3.0 here? No problem!
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1 | useless unless.. while DOCSIS 3.0 will be a welcome update, it's pointless to deploy it if Comcast doesn't do something about loading/routing all it's customer connections on greatly overloaded peering connections, which, in some areas, are the magor bottlenecks we current see.
Inferstructure / backend also needs to be increased.. something they can do now. | |
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| espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: useless unless.. said by pokesph:while DOCSIS 3.0 will be a welcome update, it's pointless to deploy it if Comcast doesn't do something about loading/routing all it's customer connections on greatly overloaded peering connections, which, in some areas, are the magor bottlenecks we current see. Inferstructure / backend also needs to be increased.. something they can do now. The Comcast backbone has never been the problem. Look at any traceroute in the Comcast forum and look at all the te-9-x-ar01 and similar devices in the traceroute. te is the short interface descriptor for 10GigE links on Cisco hardware. Their national backbone is n x 10GigE, their ISP peering connections are also 10GigE. Comcast was out reviewing the Cisco CRS-1 platform a couple rooms down from our company while we were out meeting with Cisco in San Jose. (The CRS BU is in building 16 on the campus)
Comcast has been upgrading their national backbone by converting all of their markets onto their ibone infrastructure. Minneapolis just converted a few months back, going from only having connectivity via ATT to having a full mesh of connectivity via ATT, Level(3), and Gblx. Details on their national network has been documented by a number of sources, including Comcast's own Investor Day presentations.
The biggest bottleneck is still the same thing that it's always been: 38/38mbps per downstream channel and 9/27mbps per upstream channel for DOCSIS 1.x/2.0 respectively. For improvements at the last mile Comcast (and every other MSO) is at the mercy of CableLabs and the equipment vendors. | |
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If competition wasn't as strong in the HSI side, I suspect we'd see more rate increases spread across cable and internet packages and not in the cable only as we see now. | |
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| | | | Re: Not raising HSI rates is misleading With comcast, if you get their internet only, they make it more expensive, but if you get internet and cable tv, they "discount the internet" but at the end, they'll just keep jacking the cable tv cost up...
At the end, whether you get cable tv+internet, or internet alone, its still expensive, especially when in rural areas with no competition in terms of internet.
In my case, my bottom line is cheaper if I just go with comcrap for internet, and directv with the LOWEST possible package possible that has local. They really should make a local channels only package, that's where the good stuff is... | |
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|  telcolackey5The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
2 edits | said by wedgedkitty:Comcast may not have directly raised HSI rates, but they've raised cable rates aplenty. It's all on one bill and goes to the same Comcast, so just b/c they can technically argue that HSI costs have stayed the same, they can't say customers aren't paying them more $$. Isn't that no different from a Verizon claiming to lower rates only to charge you more on the unnecessary and mysterious fees? Each of these have different competition and pricing structures. Analyzing them all together (one bill or not) is either naive, or some sort of justification of a pre-conceived opinion of a company.
Video rates rise because they have increase costs associated with content. This has been talked about many times and plenty of evidence to back this up. Video rates of the competition (DTV,Dish, etc) have also gone up for the same reason.
HSI speed has increased each year with little to no price increase because of competition (DSL mostly and now FiOS) and price decrease in higher speed capital over time. The price for data has change little since cable modems first came out while the speeds have increased.
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by wedgedkitty:Comcast may not have directly raised HSI rates, but they've raised cable rates aplenty. It's all on one bill and goes to the same Comcast, so just b/c they can technically argue that HSI costs have stayed the same, they can't say customers aren't paying them more $$. Isn't that no different from a Verizon claiming to lower rates only to charge you more on the unnecessary and mysterious fees? If competition wasn't as strong in the HSI side, I suspect we'd see more rate increases spread across cable and internet packages and not in the cable only as we see now. video subs are subsidizing HSI!
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Troy, MI | First deployment Has anyone heard where these deployments will first be rolled out? 20% by years end is pretty ambitious, if they were serious about this, they would have to be starting pretty soon. | |
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| | Docsis 3.0 modems are downstream bonding only There is no reason at all to deploy docsis 3 right now. MOdems right now only do Downstream bonding only and are stuck at docsis 2 upstream limits.
Why go through all that trouble just to have to give everybody new modems again?
People like cablevision who already have docsis 2.0 are better off waiting till fully compatible hardware is on the market. | |
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| Re: Docsis 3.0 modems are downstream bonding only said by majortom1029:There is no reason at all to deploy docsis 3 right now. MOdems right now only do Downstream bonding only and are stuck at docsis 2 upstream limits. Why go through all that trouble just to have to give everybody new modems again? People like cablevision who already have docsis 2.0 are better off waiting till fully compatible hardware is on the market. Do you really think that cable companies will upgrade infrastructure? Maybe if you live in a cable company footprint of FIOS. Unfortunately if live in an AT&T or Qwest overlap expect the cablemodem service (if it's available) to give you crappy speed & oversaturated nodes well into the next decade. | |
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| | | | Re: Docsis 3.0 modems are downstream bonding only I have cablevision service and they upgraded to docsis 2 . Anyway there is no reason for the cablecompanies to upgrade to pre docsis 3; which comcast would be upgrading to ; because its downstream bonding only . That means 100/5 packages.
Thats a big waste. Also that would also mean more upgrades when the full docsis 3 hardware comes out.
IT stupid and a waste to upgrade right now. | |
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| "Only 20%"? Comcast has 13 million HSI customers. That's over 2.5 million modems to replace this year for DOCSIS 3.0, along with the CMTS upgrades necessary to facilitate the upgrade. This is hardly a trivial matter, good for them. How long does it take their competition to upgrade 2.5 million customers, if they have them?
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Michigan City, IN
1 edit | So what else is new? So what exactly is the "NEW" news in this article? All i see is the same bullshit.
"Comcast is upgrading 20% of their subscribers by this year."
blah blah blah..nothing to see here folks, unless you live in FiOS territory.
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Waterbury, CT | Sorry I'm late to the thread.... I've been busy working on a new Comcast commercial.
Whatcha think about it?
Let me try it out on you for size....
Scene 1..Turtle One.
"Honey..I'm HOME!!"..
Turtle 2...
no answer..
Turtle One..
Hoooneyyyy....I'm Home!! where are you at?
Turtle 2..no answer..
Turtle one..Honey?
(peeks into bedroom and see's turtle two hanging by the rafters in the ceiling..a piece of twisted pair telco line wrapped around his neck...an AT&T logo branded on his shell..)
OH MY GOD!!!! HE's DEAD!!!! HONEY!!! Noooooo!!!!
Fade to Comcast Logo..
"Speed..it's not for everyone".
Comcast..Docsis 3.0.
Thoughts?
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| El GaupoPremium
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Buckhorn, NM | Re: rehashed Reminds me of husband who comes home from work and finds his wife raped and murdered lying on the floor with coax wrapped around her throat.As the camera pans out the window the comcast van is pulling away.When you pay the techs $13 a hour what do you expect. | |
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| | fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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Atlanta, GA | Re: rehashed said by El Gaupo:Reminds me of husband who comes home from work and finds his wife raped and murdered lying on the floor with coax wrapped around her throat.As the camera pans out the window the comcast van is pulling away.When you pay the techs $13 a hour what do you expect. And then you get a bill from Comcast for the service call and the coax they used.  | |
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| | | | | Re: rehashed said by fuziwuzi:said by El Gaupo:Reminds me of husband who comes home from work and finds his wife raped and murdered lying on the floor with coax wrapped around her throat.As the camera pans out the window the comcast van is pulling away.When you pay the techs $13 a hour what do you expect. And then you get a bill from Comcast for the service call and the coax they used. And they would cap the video feed because sandvine would consider that p2p or bit-torrent. | |
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | 3,0 this year here? Yeah, right. For those of us in a area without FIOS or similar competition, 3.0 won't be coming to our homes for a long time. Look at how they're deploying Blast, live in a rural area or one without any other broadband choices? Forget it. | |
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| | Hmmm Comcast taking charge of docsis 3.0 so they can better squash the tech... | |
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| | IPv6?? So this would also mean that Comcast is the only cableco migrating to IPv6 this year?? | |
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| | Broken promises..... They won't upgrade if they lose those class-action lawsuits in DC, and whatever happens with New York's AG. As for the throttling, look at the new BitTorrent software, it works around that. I don't download from that, I haven't in months, I don't seed, or leech. But I do download Office 2007 Trials every three months on multiple computers. I do have podcasts every day. I do surf the Web A LOT. On both machines. I do download ISOs. If I get terminated, DIRECTV is calling. AT&T DSL is caling. End of story, its too damn expensive, all of it. (thought I'd throw that in the discussion) Comcast can promise whatever they want, like 20 or 30 Mbit downloads, but I hate the tier system. We have the tier system in television, but if you want ESPN News, you HAVE to buy the sports package. If you want HBO you HAVE to buy digital cable THEN buy the HBO package. When you add that up the cable tv alone is over $100/month. Make internet access a la carte, and I'm good, otherwise, I'm gone. | |
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