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 |   swhx7 Premium join:2006-07-23 Elbonia | Re: Blogger = Sheep More important, it shows that people don't like throttling of their internet connections. Comcast should take a clue from this reaction, even though it was somewhat misguided. | |
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| said by WiseOldNerd :Certainly demonstrates that much of blogging and the readers are sheep who neither read well or question sharply that put before their eyes. Just skim, climb on wagon and ride along to the gas chamber. I saw the story last night myself and pondered why it was being carried by just one (at that time) blog site, which always makes me suspicious. At Stop the Cap!, we don't just follow the herd, and Karl doesn't do that either. We look into the sourcing of the story, and the moment I saw it was sourced from an article back in January(!), I knew there was nothing new here... move along.
I don't even accept something as fact if 10 blogs reprint it. I am looking for some statement from the company about it or looking for a few sources who can confirm it. There are so many legitimate things to fight... worrying about a non-story is a waste of time for all of us. -- Phillip M. Dampier Editor, Stop the Cap! »stopthecap.com | |
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join:2007-09-11 Silverdale, WA | No, it's just slashdot, where nerd rage is always on the extreme. Go ask a newb linux question inan unrelated thread there some day it's great fun to watch the train wreck that follows. | |
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| Parade responsibility It's interesting -- there aren't any official statements made by Comcast with regards to any of these changes. Instead, all of the news "trickles down" from places like Slashdot, Engadget, DSLR/BBR, and other media sites.
Although the /. community's reaction is in no way surprising -- only a handful of their news topic moderators actually proofread anything (kdawson and timothy are two regular offenders who haven't been booted from the system yet for reasons unknown) -- but it does make you wonder:
Shouldn't official announcements to customers come through official channels? That is to say, I think it would be in Comcast's best interest to send a letter or Email to all customers stating exactly what was done and when. This should have been done back when all of this was dealt with a year ago, and (IMHO) had it been done, I doubt we'd be where we are now with this "news" item. -- Making life hard for others since 1977. I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer. | |
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| Re: Parade responsibility said by Matt :People still read Slashdot? The inmates took over that asylum 10 years ago. I couldn't put it any better. It's the perfect mix there of the ignorant and the arrogant. | |
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| Re: Parade responsibility said by MightyPez :said by Matt :People still read Slashdot? The inmates took over that asylum 10 years ago. I couldn't put it any better. It's the perfect mix there of the ignorant and the arrogant. Its 4chan for /technology/ before there was a 4chan. Nuff said. | |
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join:2007-11-20 Philadelphia, PA | Hey Robb you crack me up. Couldn't find an older document? Maybe from the @home days. As you are aware, but I want to make sure others are too, at this time our business accounts do not have a bandwidth cap.
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3 edits | If it fits the agenda... Same thing happened here a few years ago when FiOS infrastructure trenchers got slammed on DSLR (a FiOS installers break something again type story) for tearing up a particular utility line when later in the linked article it clearly stated it was because the utility location was mis-marked by the county or line owners. But it didn't stop the DSLR ed from not reading beyond the first paragraph and posting the slam against the contractors. To the Eds credit the story and associated posts were deleted without comment shortly thereafter when this was pointed out.
It doesn't matter if Comcast, Verizon or other 'corporate' entity are actually at fault. If it fits 'the agenda' of these site "news" editors they will be made to be at fault. We've seen more than a few items here blaming "Comcast" for the actions of employee or non-employee contractors acting illegally or in obvious violation of company policy.
My point being /. isn't alone in this kind of nonsense and it's a bit hypocritical for DSLR to poke fun at /. or other sites for not completely reviewing an item before picking up the ball and running with it. | |
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 theeinstein Premium join:2003-07-31 Fernandina Beach, FL | HUH Well, In the past they have provided their fair share of lies and misinformation... So let them deal with it..!! Piss on'em!
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: HUH They've done me a favor: upgraded the area to DOCSIS 3 despite the fact that Qwest tops out at 7 Mbps (really 6 Mbps) ADSL here still.
Loving my 22/5 connection. Sure beats 8/2. Or 5/896 DSL. | |
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| Kudos to Karl Bode and DSLR! This is one thing I really respect about this site. You'll defend carriers as appropriate. Unfortunately, there's generally few opportunities to be in defense mode for them though.
I agree completely. Comcast does deserve credit where credit is due -- like in this instance for example. I'm sad they got an unfair beating over these errant / late articles. Hopefully those sloppy blogs, etc have egg on their face now as a consequence, and may be a bit more careful next time.
Comcast, like most carriers, still have plenty to improve, but that takes nothing away from this step in the right direction.
Thanks for pointing this out. | |
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join:2007-08-21 Evanston, IL | Re: Kudos to Karl Bode and DSLR! agreed.
I like reading slashdot, but it pisses me off when a site like that doesn't even fact check. It makes me question if I even want to read it anymore. | |
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| Stupid Engadget... It amazed me seeing a post about this pop up on Engadget yesterday. It also amazed me that commenters pointed out (quickly) that the document which was given as the source was from 2008. Of course a large majority of the (ignorant) commenters just said "Screw Comcrap, I'm dropping them!" | |
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| Always throttled I for one have yet to see it UN-THROTTLED in my area during normal usage and normal times. Old system, new system either way it's been pure s**t for us for the last 1 year and 11 months. -- »www.freedombuild.net Browse A lot - Sign In Little - Post Even Less | |
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| Lets believe everything on the intenret! Didn't anyone care to get the facts from Comcast BEFORE they went caveman? I mean the person who was like "I'm dropping it now" is obviously an idiot and doesn't deserve an internet connection in the first place if they are ignorant to the policies that their ISP puts in place. Just like those people who travel abroad and use data connections and are surprised by their bill, excluding those of course who try to ask their provider and never get a straight answer. Ignorance is a bliss I suppose.
To be honest, I don't care what the ISP puts on the connection AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SERVICE. Which means that they ISP can't do a WHOLE lot, but I would up for a QOS system that was fair, like what is in place currently. Back when I had residential I didn't have any problems, and it seems that no one else either. | |
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| Brian Roberts is piglopolist dinosaur The CEO of Comcast is a douche bag. His company for the better part of the last 2 decades has had a fuzzy policy of booting off users for excessive use but not clearly defining what the limits are until I and several others decided to bring this story to light on YOU TUBE. As it turns out, I wasn't alone. I was on the NY Times, Boston Herald, SF Chronicle, and several other news sources speaking out about this issue. Comcast was eventually sued in Florida and then the FCC got involved and this became a national issue and another headache on their collective fucking ass. They hate net neutrality and are shit monopolistic dinosaur that think they can bully people into submission. NOT HAPPENING. | |
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| Re: Brian Roberts is piglopolist dinosaur said by TIGERON :The CEO of Comcast is a douche bag. His company for the better part of the last 2 decades has had a fuzzy policy of booting off users for excessive use but not clearly defining what the limits are until I and several others decided to bring this story to light on YOU TUBE. As it turns out, I wasn't alone. I was on the NY Times, Boston Herald, SF Chronicle, and several other news sources speaking out about this issue. Comcast was eventually sued in Florida and then the FCC got involved and this became a national issue and another headache on their collective fucking ass. They hate net neutrality and are shit monopolistic dinosaur that think they can bully people into submission. NOT HAPPENING. Wow. 
Why don't you start a ISP then? We'll see how much better you can run it. Better yet, just give everyone a 100Gig connection for free. Why not? | |
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join:2007-04-17 Laramie, WY | NN advocates = sheep This whole thing is no surprise. Most of the supporters of so-called "network neutrality" regulation are either bought off by Google or sheep following the herd. And any excuse to bash the e-vile Comcast! | |
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| I read it but found a mistake in the story as posted Well I read the story and responded to it. What got me was the story posted described the system as always being in place. That is, that if a user was going over 70% of the allotted bandwidth for more than 15 minutes then the user would be throttled back to 50% of the allotted bandwidth. No mention was made of that only happening on congested nodes only. That was a huge change from what had been discussed.
I followed it back to the original and read through the document which said the throttling would happen on a per CMTS port basis and the throttling would only occur when the node was congested. After checking over the document a few times I came to the conclusion that whomever had posted the new article made a mistake in either reading the specification or did a poor job in writing in up. | |
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join:2007-03-09 Columbia, PA | Re: I read it but found a mistake in the story as posted I think it's the poor job reading the source material. The Engadget story sort of made reference to the congested CMTS, but from the commenters prospective they completely missed it (or just didn't understand it). | |
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| said by nanoflower :Well I read the story and responded to it. What got me was the story posted described the system as always being in place. That is, that if a user was going over 70% of the allotted bandwidth for more than 15 minutes then the user would be throttled back to 50% of the allotted bandwidth. No mention was made of that only happening on congested nodes only. That was a huge change from what had been discussed. I followed it back to the original and read through the document which said the throttling would happen on a per CMTS port basis and the throttling would only occur when the node was congested. After checking over the document a few times I came to the conclusion that whomever had posted the new article made a mistake in either reading the specification or did a poor job in writing in up. It's actually NOT throttling users back to 50% of their allotted bandwidth. That'd be a throttling system. This is a QoS prioritization-based system. You start in Priority Best Effort (PBE). If the CMTS is near congestion, and you meet the entry criteria, your traffic could be set to one QoS level below PBE, Best Effort (BE).
The 50% you refer to us the exit criteria from the BE QoS setting. You must go below 50% usage over a period to go back to PBE. It is important to note that being in BE instead of PBE ***has not effect whatsoever*** except at time of actual congestion, which are infrequent and very short-lived.
This is all detailed in the referenced filing with the FCC, as well as a recently-updated Internet Draft with the IETF @ »tools.ietf.org/html/draft-living···-mgmt-01.
Also, on a related note, at the IETF meeting this week the Internet Society is hosting a panel on bandwidth growth and management. See »www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/bwpanel/ for details. Usually you can participate remotely over the web (audio + presentations). -- JL Comcast | |
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