  MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
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PwnZone | Re: Yawn. why don't they just offer a business class tier which offers truely unlimited transfer? | |
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| |  NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| Re: Yawn. said by 53059959:why don't they just offer a business class tier which offers truely unlimited transfer? I agree. However, even a business class tier for $20 more a month would be a stretch. Even if it did tout unlimited use. | |
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Seattle, WA | But you're forgetting the point;
These days there are legitimate purposes for an average home user to use a substantial amount of bandwidth (Netflix Downloads? PodCasts? Gaming? VoIP?).
Why should average joe user have to sign up for a business account if he/she isn't using it for business purposes ??
A better question.
Would you trust comcast to make the distinction between "Business Bandwidth" usage and "Residental Bandwidth" usage, who will instantly assume that the home user should only send and recieve e-mail and browse "The Fan" on their homepage?
Not saying your wrong on this one, just opening the box. | |
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| | ricep5Premium
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Jacksonville, FL | said by 53059959:why don't they just offer a business class tier which offers truely unlimited transfer? Comcast does offer business class. The tiers start at $79 and top off at $169 a month. You should contact your local Comcast sales office and ask to speak with a business sales rep.
However don't expect to see any SLA's over and above what they offer residential. The only 'bonus' is there is no cap and they have better upload speeds.
I had an outage that lasted a day and a half due to power failure at a node. They blamed the utility. The other outage lasted 2 hours was a DHCP problem at a business class only boundary router in Atlanta. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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| | Are they still.... Advertising their service as unlimited? Also, if their service isn't unlimited, they should advertise it as such, and also state the caps for that local market... | |
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| | | Re: Are they still.... Agreed... Some one should drag there sorry butt to court! false advertising. That is pathetic! | |
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|  PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | said by Fox McCloud:Advertising their service as unlimited? Also, if their service isn't unlimited, they should advertise it as such, and also state the caps for that local market... True, but also stated over and over again for the last few years, and very unlikely to change.  said by theeinstein:Agreed... Some one should drag there sorry butt to court! false advertising. That is pathetic! Now that they no longer tout it as being "unlimited," it is not false advertising. It's simply deceptive and a lousy way to treat your customers. | |
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Waterbury, CT | I have never in my life seen anyone complain of being booted for downloading only 35gigs in a month.
300 gigs..that's a different story.
Isn't someone who downloads that much and expects Comcast to give it to them for 43 bucks a month similar to someone who visits an "all you can eat" chinese buffet for lunch..and proceeds to attach a chain to the back of their pickup..and the restaurants buffet table..and proceeds to drag the whole counter home with them?
But then, they come back and say.."but you told me it was all I could eat."
Seriously, can we get real here? 300 gigs..in a month.
No isp owes that to anyone for these kinds of prices and comcasts tos clearly says that if you affect their network to the detriment of other users..they can cut you off.
And, I'm glad they do that..for the benefit of those of us who don't abuse the network like that.
Many people have other options. Get cable and a backup DSL line. Use both if you think you're going to come close to these limits.
Or, pay for a T1 line. Cough up the few hundred a month and pay for what it is you're asking for.
I seriously think that BBR should put an end to this continual nonsense about this issue. And recognize that for 43.00 a month..no isp has an obligation to give someone that much usage.
300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES.
Much less in one month.
Can we get real?
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|  nklbPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: I have never in my life $43/month? all told, I pay around $63 each month and that's for just the cable internet connection and no tv.
It's a shame there are no competitors in my market. Comcast is very unreliable and expensive here, but it is my only option.
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Waterbury, CT | Re: I have never in my life said by nklb:$43/month? all told, I pay around $63 each month and that's for just the cable internet connection and no tv. It's a shame there are no competitors in my market. Comcast is very unreliable and expensive here, but it is my only option. You have the option of lowering that bill to 43.00. It's your choice that you don't.
And, even if it is 63.00 honestly, do you think that 2.00 a day is too much to ask for a company to provide you with all this connectivity at these kinds of speeds?
2.00 a day barely covers the cost of a soda these days.
This is one of the biggest values in the market today IMO.
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Lake Forest, IL | Re: I have never in my life said by Rick:said by nklb:$43/month? all told, I pay around $63 each month and that's for just the cable internet connection and no tv. It's a shame there are no competitors in my market. Comcast is very unreliable and expensive here, but it is my only option. You have the option of lowering that bill to 43.00. It's your choice that you don't. And, even if it is 63.00 honestly, do you think that 2.00 a day is too much to ask for a company to provide you with all this connectivity at these kinds of speeds? 2.00 a day barely covers the cost of a soda these days. This is one of the biggest values in the market today IMO. Option to "lower" only if you subscribe to cable TV, which costs another $50-$75 a month. BTW, I consistenly ding phone companies for requiring phone service as well. | |
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| | | | | Huh? All this connectivity? That's what they're there for... Connectivity... Gone are the days of 1 computer in the house. Now people have multiple computers, Xboxes, iTunes, WoW, PSP, DS, and all the other network devices pulling data off of one home connection. This is the future. "Connectivity" is not a wonderous thing. It is a commodity, and the providers are scared that people think of it this way. It's not magic, nor is it special. Sorry "Comcast" Rick!  | |
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| | | | | | Re: I have never in my life said by At Work :Huh? All this connectivity? That's what they're there for... Connectivity... Gone are the days of 1 computer in the house. Now people have multiple computers, Xboxes, iTunes, WoW, PSP, DS, and all the other network devices pulling data off of one home connection. This is the future. "Connectivity" is not a wonderous thing. It is a commodity, and the providers are scared that people think of it this way. It's not magic, nor is it special. Sorry "Comcast" Rick! Thats like saying, i just hooked up my light system (for my legal Linux Distro's, errr I mean my legal TOMATO plants, and got a 50 in plasma, why did my electric bill go up? I remember 25 yrs ago they said it was unlimited use? | |
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Bad analogy.
The Chinese buffet is described as "all you can eat" and not as "all you can take.
Now, if I get there at 9 AM, and gorge myself all day long, and stay until they close, there really isn't anything they can do.
If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed....
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| | RickPremium,MVM
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Waterbury, CT | Re: I have never in my life said by N3OGH:If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed.... lol..that's truly hysterical.
Do you often sit at all you can eat buffets for 5 hours?
And, the analogy is a perfect one IMO.
For someone to even come close to downloading 300gigs per month, It's as if they're sitting at that buffet for 10 hours a day.
Again, we need to get real here and realize that no company owes this much to a customer for these kinds of prices.
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| | | | | Re: I have never in my life maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? | |
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| Re: I have never in my life said by Methadras:maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: I have never in my life said by Nightfall:said by Methadras:maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now. Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service.
If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service? | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: I have never in my life said by kinglou0:said by Nightfall:said by Methadras:maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now. Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service. If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service? must be your market. Pics please or it didn't happen. | |
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| said by kinglou0:said by Nightfall:said by Methadras:maybe you need to get real... ever heard of the phrase, "truth in advertising"...? if any isp says they have unlimited (and unasterisked) usage, then it is what it is... the presumption that you don't think someone should have 300gb of downloads or hell, even uploads is none of your concern... if comcast offers it and someone takes advantage of it, then what is the issue...? also, it's none of your business what someone does with their internet account now is it mrs. cravetts...? Comcast has not advertised unlimited internet usage for over 3 years now. Bull crap, the most recent promotion(s) advertising high speed says unlimited. The commercial is the ones featuring the roommates who schedule their internet time because they 're on DSL. During the ad, Comcast mentions it being unlimited service. If Comcast wants to be weasels, why don't they just start saying unlimited access not service? Link to proof in writing please. | |
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| | |  braynesPremium
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Waterville, ME | Hey RR how it going?
In most cases I am in agreement with you, What in your Opinion
is CC obligation to the Billing Account under the "TOS".(Please do not tell me to read it I asked for Opinion.
Thanks Bruce
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The owners told them to leave, they refused, he called the cops. The cops showed up and asked what the problem was after which he told the manager never to call him for that again and to let them finish eating.
If you advertise a service and then can't provide it, that is called false advertising and is a poorly constructed business model. You don't blame the consumer because YOU didn't believe , think it would be used to its fullest or more importantly plan on honouring your advertisement which oddly enough seems to be acceptable practice. Lie to people them blame them for following through on YOUR promise. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I have never in my life said by soldatenhund :
Actually it is a bad analogy. This very thing happened to a friend's football team. They were eating at a chinese buffet on Dundas just south of Erin Mills in Mississauga.
The owners told them to leave, they refused, he called the cops. The cops showed up and asked what the problem was after which he told the manager never to call him for that again and to let them finish eating.
If you advertise a service and then can't provide it, that is called false advertising and is a poorly constructed business model. You don't blame the consumer because YOU didn't believe , think it would be used to its fullest or more importantly plan on honouring your advertisement which oddly enough seems to be acceptable practice. Lie to people them blame them for following through on YOUR promise.
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| |  LinklistPremium
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by N3OGH:Bad analogy. The Chinese buffet is described as "all you can eat" and not as "all you can take. Now, if I get there at 9 AM, and gorge myself all day long, and stay until they close, there really isn't anything they can do. If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed.... And that is exactly what most of those places do. Even "all you can eat" has limits.
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| said by N3OGH:Bad analogy. The Chinese buffet is described as "all you can eat" and not as "all you can take. Now, if I get there at 9 AM, and gorge myself all day long, and stay until they close, there really isn't anything they can do. If after 4 or 5 hours, they come over and give me the boot, I'm gonna be a little pissed.... You don't really exist, right? I'm starting to lose all hope for society.
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| | | N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: I have never in my life Yes, I really do exist. I also venture a guess I've done more for society in the past 10 years than you have, but I don't know you, so I won't sling arrows your way.
Like I'm actually sitting in a restaurant someplace eating for 5 hours. I believe this is the point of the discussion where I slap my forehead and say DUH.
I stand by my statement that his analogy was a bad one. He compares chaining a pickup truck to a buffet and dragging it off, to abusing your broadband internet connection.
One is a blatant, overt theft (The chain and truck thing). The other is a matter of semantics and judgement that changes from system to system.
Look, I'm not bashing Comcast. I'm not a heavy user of my internet connection, and if I download 2 songs from iTunes a month, that was a heavy month for me.
But, everyone knows it's illegal to drag a buffet away with a chain and a truck. Everyone KNOWS it's theft. Comcast doesn't tell you what the cap is, so until you violate it, you don't know.
Now if Comcast set a limit, told you not to cross it, and you repeatedly did, well then shame on you. You were forewarned and you did as you shouldn't.
Comcast has every right to regulate the use of their private network and to be sure a select few individuals aren't ruining the experience for everyone else.
But, you can't punish people for breaking rules you don't lay down. The cops can't write you a speeding ticket where the limit isn't clearly posted (in PA at least). If it's not in the contract, they can't hold you to it.'
Clearly spell it out, and put it in the contract. Then come down like a sack of rocks on the ones that don't do as they are told.
It's as easy as that...
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| | | | | | Re: I have never in my life How is the consumer expected to keep their usage non-abusive if they don't have a definition of abuse? For the people who would define abuse as "That which causes degradation for other users", how exactly do you accomplish non-abusive use? I can tell you how I attempt to do this. I run QoS to throttle my connection back to the point where I only occasionally add 1 millisecond of latency between my cable modem and anything else. I Ping my gateway, ping Yahoo, and I am not adding latency for myself. This way, I should see the impact of my usage before any one else would.
Responsible traffic shaping at the ISP would be difficult to even notice, and would end my need to throttle my connection, which I only do to be sure I am not dragging the neighborhood down. I am a responsible netizen.
The definition of abuse needs to be stated by the ISP. If it is stated as something similar to "Don't negatively impact other users", and I am doing everything that can be done on this end of the wire to be sure I am not abusive per their definition, I should have nothing to worry about, right?
I did about 80GB of transfer this month, and I put in real effort to make sure that my usage doesn't impact anyone negatively, using everything I can use on my end of the wire. Someone tell me, am I abusing my connection? If so, explain to me how I would go about knowing if I was abusing it, beyond what I am already doing.
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Edgewater, MD | Re: I have never in my life Some months I go over 300 gigs, and others maybe 3 gigs. It depends on what I am doing. I do some stuff for a game company, and when we are hot and heavy into testing, I may download a new build each night, at 2-5 gigs a night. As with most things, they come in 3 so when I am testing it is usually 3 games at onces. So I can go over 450 a month. I have lol however I have never been cut off, nor have I gotten a letter.
I may have 1 month in 3 that I download that much, but it happens. So I have no complaints with Comacast. | |
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|  POBRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium
join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA | said by Rick:300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES. Much less in one month. Can we get real? Thanks. I'm glad that you chose to appoint yourself as universal speaker for everyone under every circumstance, Rick. Just because you personally do not ever foresee yourself using 300 gigs does not mean that nobody else ever will. It largely depends on personal circumstances and/or employment.
Secondly, if Comcrap doesn't want complaints then they should stop advertising the service as an all-you-can-eat buffet, and, instead inject some truth in advertising:
Comcast: Secret bandwidth caps based entirely on subjective and arbitrary conditions.
The day ISPs like Comcrap start that advertising campaign and including it in the AUP in specific terms is the day you can appoint yourself universal speaker for broadband.
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Waterbury, CT | Re: I have never in my life said by POB:I'm glad that you chose to appoint yourself as universal speaker for everyone under every circumstance, Rick. I must have missed the part where I appointed myself that.
What I said was many of us don't download 300 gigs in our lifetimes...much less in one month.
I must have also missed the part where comcast advertises their service as an all you can eat buffet.
You seem hell bent on twisting not only my words..but Comcasts TOS as well.
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| | | | | Re: I have never in my life As stated by so many people, the amount of bandwidth usage is highly dependant on what your form of employment, and conditions at home are. I work from home....and as such I have 3 computers and 2 servers on 1 network running through a 6th computer to monitor use among other things. Depending on what I'm doing, I might use 16gb in a day, or 16 mb of bandwith. I personally think Comcasts service is craptastic due to the fact that it's overpriced; $70 for what I got, plain ol' internet access, and a top speed of actually 3mb/s, not the advertised 7, which was the reason I switched to fiber. | |
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|  SkellBasherYes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
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Niagara Falls, NY | If Comcast (or any provider for that matter) cannot support the bandwidth allocations that they sell, they need to revisit what exactly it is they are selling.
Telling people they have an 8Mb pipe is ludicrous if they cannot use it.
You pontificate that 300GB/month is excessive. Let's do some math.
An 8Mb pipe transfers roughly 1MB of data each second. So, to reach 300GB, it will take 307,200 seconds at full transfer rate, about 3.5 days.
Taking a month of 30 days, that's 720 hours, 43,200 minutes, or 2,592,000 seconds.
That says that if you fully used that 8Mb pipe for 11.85% of the time available to you, you'd pull 300GB of data.
Can Comcast users then only pay 11.85% of their bill? I doubt it.
Residential ISPs historically oversell bandwidth on the assumption that not everyone is using it at a given time. Dial-up ISPs have ranged from 16-1 to 8-1 , depending on the company and when you looked. I don't know what our number was in the Adelphia days, but I'm pretty sure it was less than 8-1.
Comcast had two choices. They could have lowered their maximum per connection speed down from 8Mb to a level more consistent with the engineered capabilities of their network. This would have precluded the need for these arbitrary transfer limits. The other choice was advertise this wonderful 8Mb service, and give people shit about it if they happened to be in the minority of customers who tried to use what they are paying for.
They chose the latter.
I won't dispute that $50 for a home residential pipe is a good deal. When breaking it out on a per Mb basis, I pay significantly more on any of my OC's or DS3s. I also don't question Comcast's right to put controls in place to prevent users from becoming a detriment to other subscribers. (Although I strongly disagree with their flat out blocking of Bittorrent on the false assumption that all BT traffic is illegal P2P.)
However, Comcast is irresponsible by advertising and signing up people for a service that has restrictions which are not disclosed until after someone is a customer, and by not clearly defining those restrictions at any point.
This is no different than a dealer putting restrictions on a vehicle after the contracts have been signed, or speed limit signs with question marks on your local highways.
Their non-specific , non-disclosed transfer limits will never stand up in court if they are ever challenged, since a consumer cannot be held responsible for terms of usage that aren't defined. (IE, you can't break a law if the law isn't spelled out.)
Your assertion that 300GB a month is more than one would use 'in a lifetime' is absurd. The internet is content; spend a couple of hours with a college kid spending time on Facebook and Youtube, and see how much data gets moved. It adds up faster than you think. | |
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|  ThalerPremium
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kudos:3 | said by Rick:300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES. Many porn collections would beg to differ. | |
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| | | said by Rick:seen anyone complain of being booted for downloading only 35gigs in a month. 300 gigs..that's a different story. Isn't someone who downloads that much and expects Comcast to give it to them for 43 bucks a month similar to someone who visits an "all you can eat" chinese buffet for lunch..and proceeds to attach a chain to the back of their pickup..and the restaurants buffet table..and proceeds to drag the whole counter home with them? But then, they come back and say.."but you told me it was all I could eat." Nope.. More like All you can eat for 10.99 then when you go up for the second plate they say, we didn't think you'd eat that much, sorry you have to leave.
Its not about how much bandwidth these guys are using, its all about some hidden limit. Its deceptive to sell a service without an upfront specified limit which is in fact limited.
I suggest you guys switch to sbc er att. I use a boatload of bandwidth and have yet to hear a single peep from them.
T1 service in comparison to broadband stinks. Yes you get more upload speed generally but you only get a fraction of the download speed. With sbc dsl now I'm getting 6/608 or four times the download and a third of the upload. Plus even in the cheapest areas of the US we spend 400.00 per month for a t1.
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I am going to guess it was a big payday for Rick  when they implemented that?
Said at team meeting:
big boss: "So rick, we just throttle this bit-torrent thing and our bandwidth problems go away?"
rick: Yes sir
big boss: thank you rick, you have always served us well. Here have this bonus on us!
rick: pleasure doing business with you!
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | well they should specify what excessive use is then, running torrents pinned out constantly(legal or illegal ones) is clearly more transfer then someone running 3 wow accounts, ventrilo and 128kbit netradio stream 18hrs a day.
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|  yulek
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Alameda, CA | said by Rick:300 gigs a month. Many of us won't use that in our entire LIFETIMES. Much less in one month. Can we get real? check out amazon's s3 service and jungledisk and others who use it. i back up to jungledisk. i have 50GB of data that i backed up to jungledisk (photos and music (legit, thank you) mostly). a full backup to jungledisk would be 400Gbs. oops. | |
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kudos:2 | Doesn't matter what percentage of their userbase is affected It won't matter to you what the percentage of the userbase affected is if YOU are the one who loses connection because of this.
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Saint Paul, MN | the limit. You find out the limit when you exceed it and have the option of lowering your usage. don't worry about it until you get the letter. simple huh?
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: the limit. said by Chuckles0:You find out the limit when you exceed it and have the option of lowering your usage. don't worry about it until you get the letter. simple huh? From the forums, people get the letter, cut their usage dramatically, and still get terminated.
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More like using a Ferrari 12% of the time at full speed and parking it the other 88% while you eat Chinese food, sleep, work, watch TV, ...
Now the abuser drives the Ferrari at max speed well beyond 12% of the time.
Even a race car driver does not drive at max speed more that 12% of the time, for 1 month, I bet.
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| | Straw Man This is a typical Star Man attack on Comcast because you are mis representing or redefining the trem unlimited. It is clear unlimited means unlimited access but not unlimited bandwidth. You are not to use you computer as a server period! | |
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 pokesphIt Is Almost FastPremium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1 | Invsi-caps... All this crap is pure BS..
Comcast (and many other ISP's) are just way too cheap to spend the massive profits they get on inferstructure upgrades..
They want to keep the status quo and continue to make record income and not truly support the customers that provide said income. Sooner or later (I'm hoping for sooner..) it will all fall apart and come back to bite Comcast and it's upper management.
HINT: Comcast, why not upgrade your backend to support the growing users on your network? stop taking your inability to service new users out on existing users by limiting usage, traffic shaping/blocking, etc. UPGRADE your NETWORK instead!
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Invsi-caps... shaw cable in Western Canada for years had casual limits like comcast but starting 2 years ago they had fixed limits.
$35/mo 5down/0.5up service has a 50g limit
$50/mo 10down/1.0 up service has a 100g limit
$99/mo 25down/1.0 up service has a 150g limit | |
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| | Fuzzy math? ...some five years after we started talking about it back in 2003. 2003 + 5 = 2007?
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| | | Re: Fuzzy math? I saw that too. It's only been 3 years. If you want to stretch it, you could say `nearly 4 years.`
I guess they have to make themselves seem smarter by stretching the math. | |
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So I replied back if they would kindly specify what the limit is I would be happy to make sure I don't go over it again. They didn't bother to respond to me so I didn't bother to reduce my usage. In fact, I got a sweet little program called BitMeter2 that monitors usage and the following month I used a total of 95GB but this time I received no letter. What gives I thought?
It is not hard to use this amount of bandwidth in this age of streaming data. I've never gone over 100GB a month but I have gone over 45GB since that first month but only received a notice for the 45GB. Makes no sense.
I'm paying $75/month for 15.5Mb/1.5Mb speeds, what they call Tier-3 service here. The download speed is, indeed, very nice. But the upload speed is only maybe 1/10th of what I pay for because they now block everything I try to upload to. I use the BitTorrent network to distribute my work (photographer) but that's impossible now.
I'm now looking into AT&T DSL which doesn't (according to people here) throttle or inhibit the BT network in any way. The speeds are less than half what I have now (as is the price almost), yet since Comcrap caps, throttles, or completely denies connections the difference in speed is negotiable.
Oh and I almost forgot. They are still marketing here as "Unlimited Usage" even though they have apparently stopped this practice in other places as they should. Unlimited means unlimited. Unlimited doesn't mean up to a point. | |
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| | Look at this!!! In theory unlimited = infinite, but since infinity cannot be defined, infinity therefore does not exist which would mean that unlimited essentially does not exist, they are offering something that does not exist!!!!!!!!!
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| | | Re: Look at this!!! Infinity cannot be defined?
»dictionary.reference.com/browse/infinity
Whoops!
This reminds me of a traffic ticket I once received. Some vandals removed a stop sign at a 3 way intersection in a small village. When I approached it appeared I had the right away as the other two had stop signs. I was promptly ticketed for running a stop sign that wasn't there. I appealed in traffic court and lost. The state's argument was that the stop sign had been put there and whether or not it was there when I drove through the intersection is irrelevant since it was supposed to be there. | |
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Seattle, WA | In theory you are correct
however,
Data is (in theory) an unlimited item because data itself is not composed of matter; it can be destroyed and recreated at will (i'm probably wrong though),
therefore comcast has succeeded in rendering the Law of Conservation of Matter useless and has made a mockery out of our grade school textbooks...
this grinds my gears. | |
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| | | bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
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hiatus | Re: Look at this!!! I could dust off one the theoretical physics books I have and try to explain the paradox in that statement, but I don't think but maybe a few other people would understand it and I'm beat from work...
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| | Another "abuser" of Comcast bandwidth It's not only Peer to Peer and Bit Torrent users who are plagued by this problem. After my third month with Comcast I got a call that my use was excessive. I inquired how much I had used (he couldn't or wouldn't tell me) and what I could do to make sure I was within limits. There were no helpful suggestions, but I was able to figure that being on an online gaming site 12 or more hours a day, although not playing that whole time, and my daughter watching several videos a week from Netflix was the problem. Apparently the gaming site was transferring an unusually large number of packets and combined with 3 or 4 videos (~5 gig each) a week, I went over their unlisted limit. So I went back to DSL - though it's slower, I get no complaints about the amount of use. | |
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| | ?? How is this news?? Everyone who visits BBR would know this. | |
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| | Comcast is just being cheap Now I know they have more infrastructure than a backbone provider (considering they have to drag a connection to your home), but even 300gigs at wholesale prices at a data center is no more than $9/month.
Like many have already posted Comcast just needs to own up and not call it "unlimited". I don't think too many people would have a problem buying their connection as a combination of speed and data transfered. e.g.
8Mbit Pipe/300gigs included
4mbit pipe/300gigs
8mbit pipe/100gigs
etc...
Cell phone providers do it all the time and no one seems to care. Its the flat out lying that a service is unlimited when it is DEFINITELY LIMITED, that they need to address... | |
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND | Whats that Karl? You say Comcast killed your mother? | |
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| | | Re: Whats that Karl? said by Loker:You say Comcast killed your mother? Dropped a piano on her head. | |
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 macrospectAll The Little StuffPremium
join:2005-08-25
Doylestown, PA | Is it so hard to... Support that .01% of their heavy users? Do they really cause that much network congestion? | |
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| | | Re: Is it so hard to... It's expensive supporting 0.01% of users using 50% of available resources. | |
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| | | | Re: Is it so hard to... LOL!
That's comical. 99.99% of Comcast's users utilize less than 50% of the network's available resources combined, and the other 0.01% use 50%? If that's even close to being the case I'd say Comcast is SOL for having outsold it's bandwidth. | |
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| | | robertflPremium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Re: Is it so hard to... Unlimited means to them is "always on"
but until they re phrase it, the customer is NOT responsible.
for their monthly use age.
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 Homebrew1994Betzwood Basement Brewery
join:2001-11-15
King Of Prussia, PA | Such old news If you click through all the links to the actual article, it refers to incident in 2004 to 2006 (maybe January 2007). | |
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| | Joost... I believe that using Joost consumes quite a lot of bandwidth over the course of one month. I remember complaints early on in the Joost forum about users being contacted by their ISPs because of too much usage. | |
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|  KAD ImagingJust Shoot ItPremium
join:2002-09-21
Hialeah, FL | Re: Joost... So I wonder what they will do once people start actually using Netflix's online movie service (and Blockbuster's that you know is coming) as well as the NFL online users and everyone else.
I'm to lazy to calculate the data rate of a 1Mbps stream from the NFL or even how big the Netflix online movies are (600MB? 1GB? more?) But I can safely estimate that downloading and watching 1 movie/night would slam you against the inviso-cap pretty quick. So glad I left Commiecast.
Yep, I'll just site back and enjoy my 6000 DSL connection that sits on limewire & BT 24/7.
(Crapcast if your reading this...KISS MY $#!@#$!~@% A$$!!  )
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