Comcast Installs DOCSIS 3.0 In Two New MarketsBut doesn't say which because they're still testing.... 06:27PM Monday May 19 2008 by Karltags: prices · competition · business · bandwidth · cable · networking · ComcastComcast over the weekend announced that they've struck a deal to buy Cable Modem Termination System (CMTS) gear from Arris Group, as the cable giant speeds up their DOCSIS 3.0 plans. Last month, Comcast launched their first pre-certification DOCSIS 3.0 market, offering $150, 50Mbps/5Mbps service in the twin cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul. In a panel over the weekend at a major cable trade show, Comcast said they currently have DOCSIS 3.0 deployed in two new markets for testing, though they wouldn't specify which. From Cable Digital News: Although Arris and Comcast did not say where the C4 will be installed, the MSO has apparently rolled out Docsis 3.0 in more than one market. David Fellows, a Comcast executive fellow and former chief technology officer, moderated a panel on the topic of bandwidth Sunday afternoon, and hinted that the operator had rolled out Docsis 3.0 in a total of three locations so far. When asked to elaborate, he said the operator had started to test Wideband services with employees and other friendlies in two new markets, but could not identify them. A Comcast spokeswoman was looking into the matter. Comcast has promised to deploy 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 service to their entire customer base by 2010.
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a333
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| Re: A clap of hands for Comcast please..... said by a333  :Gr8, now you can blow through your invisi-cap in minutes. Entertainment at its very best........ Well, it is good that we now have the obligatory Invisi-cap post out of the way every time a story comes out about faster Comcast service.
Someday, they will figure out that speed and volume are NOT the same thing.
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| Re: A clap of hands for Comcast please..... well then, what's Comcast's cap then, TK (no, not the point at which you get booted, I want a definite answer)?
Maybe instead of marketing $150/month connections filled with fine print, Comcast should concentrate on actually giving users a definitive cap, and incorporating that into their TOS.
The 'few minutes' was merely a hyperbole, but if a user can blow through the so-called 250 gig cap on a 50 meg connection in less than half a full day, somethin's very, VERY wrong.
BTW, the chance of this issue disappearing is about as much as that of TPB being shut down... | |
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| Re: A clap of hands for Comcast please..... said by a333 :if a user can blow through the so-called 250 gig cap on a 50 meg connection in less than half a full day, somethin's very, VERY wrong. I actually agree with that statement, but probably not in the way you intended. | |
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Fredericksburg, TX | No, you can blow through your 250GB cap in 11 hours, 27 minutes of constant downloading. Oversubscription at its finest, but not as dire as you'd think... | |
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| Re: A clap of hands for Comcast please..... said by iansltx :No, you can blow through your 250GB cap in 11 hours, 27 minutes of constant downloading. You do not need to go it all at once. The 250GB at 50Gbs means that you get about 22 minutes a day of full speed downloading (or more download time per day if you go slower) if that 11 1/2 hour figure is accurate. There is also the uploads for ACKing the downloaded packets as well as the real uploads (Email, Web Requests, etc.) that eat into the capped traffic. | |
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Schaumburg, IL | 1: The 250G cap is just a rumor
2: Odds are any caps, if implemented, would be based on your tier. DOCSIS 3 users would probably have a much higher cap. | |
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| Re: A clap of hands for Comcast please..... said by andyross :1: The 250G cap is just a rumor 2: Odds are any caps, if implemented, would be based on your tier. DOCSIS 3 users would probably have a much higher cap. How dare you bring sense into what was previously only wild blue speculation?!
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| said by a333 :Gr8, now you can blow through your invisi-cap in minutes. Entertainment at its very best........ Gr8, now you can blow through your paycheck in overage fees in minutes.
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there. i fixed it for you
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| My guess.. Would be Florida..they announced some city there awhile back..but then got hush about it. Not sure what other market it would be..I doubt its Chicago, being that their still offering 8/2 AND blast! (16/2) there.
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Boynton Beach, FL | I hope you're right, although for some reason I doubt it, at least not SE Florida - they still haven't deployed blast. Still, I really hope you're right...  | |
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Not going to be a crushing wave of subs for that price.
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clubs: | Re: $150 per month... I think the point isn't to get every up and running on 50 Mbps service. It's more to address the needs of the marketing department.
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| Re: $150 per month... said by Corydon :I think the point isn't to get every up and running on 50 Mbps service. It's more to address the needs of the marketing department. That or they don't want users rushing to a service tier that's still in testing..
I'm just curious if they set these "new markets" to 50/5 also..being that docsis 3 modems are out now.
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| said by dadkins :... is a bit steep. Not going to be a crushing wave of subs for that price. BINGO!
I know ONE subscriber who won't be riding that wave. | |
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Kannapolis, NC | Re: $150 per month... seems pretty high a price to pay...for 50/5?? | |
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| said by dadkins :... is a bit steep. Not going to be a crushing wave of subs for that price. Not to mention going cheap on the upload, hell cablevisions OOL BOOST product gives 5mbps on the upload and they're D2!
for $150 i'd expect more than 5 up.
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| Upload much? Only 5 Mbps when the download speed is 10 times that? Sure, that would more than suffice the average user..but the average user isn't the one who's going to be signing up for a 50/5 speed tier. This 50/5 tier doesn't seem of any use other than just straight torrenting or massive downloads.
I've got a 15/15 FiOS tier myself and I used to have a 15/2 tier. I must say everytime I torrented, it was always my upload that would be maxed out and slowing down all other clients using the internet because there was little to no upload bandwidth left.
Obviously, this can be solved by restricting the amount of bandwidth alloted for torrenting..but it just never sat well with me. The fact that I had 15 Mbps available to me to download yet only 2 Mbps for uploading just doesn't seem right.
Sure, in general residential users download a lot more than they upload..but if companies like Comcast are going to put out extreme tiers that supplying large amounts of bandwidth to residents, I'd expect it to in both directions.
Of course supplying upload speed may be a problem if a company's network is overdue for an upgrade and they are already squeezing as much bandwidth as they possibly can out of it..but we wouldn't know of any companies that would follow such practices now would we... | |
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| doc S__T comcast on dope...
50/5 ? 50 & 5?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48 ,49, 50.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Could it be any more lopsided for $150?
You'd think they'd want to try out the bonded upstream channels which SHOULD be on the network for TRUE docsis 3.0 spec for your $150 a month, but no.. it's the DSL of docsis 3.0 for a steep $150. | |
| | espaeth
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Minneapolis, MN | Re: doc S__T Don't like it? Engineer your own standard to compete with CableLabs!
You could be an Internet hero and start doing shaving commercials! | |
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| Re: doc S__T sure.... it's spelled F-I-B-E-R
and a big evil telco by the name of V-E-R-I-Z-O-N is doing it(and has been since 2004)
Happy?
Edit: Just kidding, I just am trying to make the point that, whatever the shortcomings of DOCSIS are, they are starting to show, given the awful 10:1 dl:up ratio, especially, since the 50 Meg subs are going to be paying $150/month, when FiOS subs in competitive markets get it for about $90, and with 20 Mbit uploads to boot. | |
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Michigan City, IN | Re: doc S__T Actually I think Verizon Fios for the 20/20 tier costs around $65/month with other markets only getting 15/15 for the same price.
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| Re: doc S__T said by ztmike :Actually I think Verizon Fios for the 20/20 tier costs around $65/month with other markets only getting 15/15 for the same price. Fast
5 Mbps/2 Mbps
$42.99/mo. Faster
15 Mbps/2 Mbps
$52.99/mo. Faster Plus
15 Mbps/15 Mbps
$64.99/mo.
Includes FREE services Fastest
30 Mbps/15 Mbps
$139.95/mo.
Includes FREE services | |
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| DOCSIS3 is supposed to include upstream channel bonding in its final incarnation, but that part of the standard has been delayed.
I think Comcast's current deployments are a non-standard pre-DOCSIS3 version that doesn't feature upstream channel bonding, and so can't provide anything faster- but the standard does include it. | |
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| Re: doc S__T said by EPS :DOCSIS3 is supposed to include upstream channel bonding in its final incarnation, but that part of the standard has been delayed. I think Comcast's current deployments are a non-standard pre-DOCSIS3 version that doesn't feature upstream channel bonding, and so can't provide anything faster- but the standard does include it. My connection will do 50 Mpbs D / 40 Mbps U on speed test (during non-peak hours of course), but I'm only suppose to be on the "16D/2U" tier. So in fairness to my neighborhood, I have my connection traffic shaped to what they say I'm suppose to have. The only thing is, the modem is only a DOCSIS2 setup (as far as they told me), so unless I have my versions mixed up, I don't think DOCSIS2 is suppose to be able to do 50 Mbps, but I can on speed test sites and my router bandwidth counter matches what I see in the speed during the test. I wonder if my modem is one of those "pre-DOCSIS3" types or not since the speed is well beyond what DOCSIS2 is suppose to be able to achieve?
Looking at the modem channel and frequency page, this shouldn't be able to hit these kind of speeds at these modulations right?
quote:
Downstream Frequency 693000000 Hz
Lock Status Locked
Modulation 256 QAM
Symbol Rate 5.360537 Msym/sec
Downstream Power 2.3 dBmV
SNR 41.118 dB
Upstream Channel
Upstream Frequency 34000000 Hz
Lock Status Locked
Modulation 16QAM
Symbol Rate 2560000 sym/sec
Upstream Power 47.2 dBmV
Channel ID 11
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| Re: doc S__T said by knightmb :Looking at the modem channel and frequency page, this shouldn't be able to hit these kind of speeds at these modulations right? Nope. In my experience, the most you can push through DOCSIS 2.0 running 256 QAM forward and a 64 QAM return is 35 Mbps down and around 28 Mbps up. I believe the spec is 38 Mbps down and 32 Mbps up, though I'm feeling too lazy to look it up.
To the best of my knowledge, no one is bonding upstreams outside of a lab yet. The good news is that this feature is software upgradeable (at least it's supposed to be with the Cisco gear we're using anyway). Once the final 3.0 spec is ratified and debugged, it should be fairly easy to deploy fast symmetric speeds... assuming your cable plant is clean enough to support it.
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| said by knightmb :said by EPS :DOCSIS3 is supposed to include upstream channel bonding in its final incarnation, but that part of the standard has been delayed. I think Comcast's current deployments are a non-standard pre-DOCSIS3 version that doesn't feature upstream channel bonding, and so can't provide anything faster- but the standard does include it. My connection will do 50 Mpbs D / 40 Mbps U on speed test (during non-peak hours of course), but I'm only suppose to be on the "16D/2U" tier. So in fairness to my neighborhood, I have my connection traffic shaped to what they say I'm suppose to have. The only thing is, the modem is only a DOCSIS2 setup (as far as they told me), so unless I have my versions mixed up, I don't think DOCSIS2 is suppose to be able to do 50 Mbps, but I can on speed test sites and my router bandwidth counter matches what I see in the speed during the test. I wonder if my modem is one of those "pre-DOCSIS3" types or not since the speed is well beyond what DOCSIS2 is suppose to be able to achieve? Looking at the modem channel and frequency page, this shouldn't be able to hit these kind of speeds at these modulations right? Dude... Speed tests are never to be trusted. Particularly with the boost techniques being used. Only way to be sure is to find a good fast torrent with lots of seeds, or a nice fast, close webserver on a non-peak.
just my opinion..
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| said by EPS :DOCSIS3 is supposed to include upstream channel bonding in its final incarnation, but that part of the standard has been delayed. I think Comcast's current deployments are a non-standard pre-DOCSIS3 version that doesn't feature upstream channel bonding, and so can't provide anything faster- but the standard does include it. Well probably comcast has no plans to offer more than 5 up anyway so they don't need final D3 gear.
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| said by EPS :DOCSIS3 is supposed to include upstream channel bonding in its final incarnation, but that part of the standard has been delayed. I think Comcast's current deployments are a non-standard pre-DOCSIS3 version that doesn't feature upstream channel bonding, and so can't provide anything faster- but the standard does include it. So docsis 3 & windows vista have something in common... | |
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a333
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Corona, NY | Re: doc S__T LAWLZZ!!!!!!!!! that was a good one!!! | |
| | | erikthebean
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Manchester, NH | Humm I would think they are going to throw Docsis 3.0 in a fios/uverse market...can anyone say new england | |
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| Re: Humm said by erikthebean :I would think they are going to throw Docsis 3.0 in a fios/uverse market...can anyone say new england Or Fort Wayne, Indiana for that matter... Comcast has lost so much market share here to FiOS here that it isn't even funny. | |
| wispalord
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| | ELRefugee
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| Re: all this speed for what said by wispalord :if you cant download anything on there network, leagle or not, what's it worth? Now THAT is a great question.
FTP? Virtually gone.
P2P? Under attack and vandalized.
Usenet binaries? Ditto.
Etc.
So we'll have 50mbps and nothing to do with it except download commercials and right-wing propaganda. I can't wait. | |
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| how about 10/10 instead The lack of upload is still lame, why cant comcast offer a symmetric tier. How can they offer home networking with 768? I would never sign up for 50/5, its just too much. | |
| | CWO333
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| Re: how about 10/10 instead Remember this is not full DOCSIS 3 yet. They have the download done correctly but there hasn't been anything certified in uploads yet so they're still using the old DOCSIS 2 upload. By offering 5 for upload, they're actually stretching their bandwidth even farther. They're giving you more even though they still don't have more yet. | |
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