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 | vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: Nah. said by Pyrion  :
Wow, 70 bucks a month to be called an idiot by some idiot working for Comcast. No thanks. I'll stick with NAT. 
Only a fool would sign up for that.
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
| Re: Nah. LOL
Hey its still cable...
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Pyrion
Liquid Metal Nanomorph
join:2001-12-01
Poway, CA
clubs: | Yeah if the speeds ever actually hit 2.5Mbps. | |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
 ·Comcast
| Re: Nah. said by Pyrion :
Yeah if the speeds ever actually hit 2.5Mbps.
Canceling continues to be an option.
If you were not ever getting 2.5, I'd imagine that you would not keep the service. True in some areas people are lucky if they hit 1Mbps... | |
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | Re: Nah. I know I would be. (afraid to go back to dialup) | |
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join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD | what about i higher upload? I could care less about download personally if Adelphia was to do this and not raise the upload i would not do it | |
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cpr2k
This Won'T Hurt..
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join:2002-02-02
San Marcos, CA
| "Research into "seeing past" NAT devices may someday make paying for such services less optional, as ISP's begin peeking into home networks and charging accordingly."
I'd like to see them try to peek past my hardware firewall.
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join:2000-04-05
Oviedo, FL
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| Re: Nah. Well, until the Patriot Act, that would have violated your constitutional rights (invasion of privacy w/o a warrant), now it is just a matter of a few bills and then Comcast will be allow, nay.. required to snoop past your nat box and will see how many machines and what is on them. All this in the name of security, sheesshh what next a National ID card, and indefinite detentions (oh, wait that happens now!)
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DBowmanJr
join:2003-01-22
Arlington, VA
| Re: Nah. But then again the Patriot Act says that you are responsible for your connection. If someone launches an attack from your connection, then be prepared to get a visit from the FBI.
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DBowmanJr
join:2003-01-22
Arlington, VA | Doesn't Matter. Doesn't matter what you purchase from Comcast in the Arlington, VA area cuase the connection will still stink!
Go buy a router for crying out loud... | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Third Party Support Network support is what techie family members are for! It's their birthright (as anyone who gets more calls from family to fix things than to say hello can tell you). | |
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
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join:2003-01-25 | Re: Third Party Support That is exactly what your 14 year old child is for......
Fix the networks, program the VCR, kick your butt on PS2, and take out the garbage | |
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@optonline.net
| Re: Third Party Support Yea, I'm 14 I built 8 computers, got a Cable Modem and DSL line, own a internet radio station setup my own network, built a web site, currently learning C++. Kinda makes you rethink calling a 14 year old a little baby. Sure theres 14 year olds that act like 7 year olds, but most 14 year old boys can do what a 20 year old can do. Girls on the other hand....... | |
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join:2003-03-20
Portland, OR
| Re: Third Party Support Ah to be young again. Unfortunetly now that I'm 23 and have my own house, there's alot more responsibility out there.
Now I don't call kids babies unless they act like it, but face it, alot of adults and older people are just resentful that the younger generation easily knows more than they do about current technology trends.
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Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA | Re: Third Party Support I'm SO buying that shirt right now.... | |
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join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by tschmidt :
Home networking is getting easier but it is still to complex for many folks.
It's only hard when the provider locks the connection to a specific MAC address or requires tons of software be installed in order to use their service. If the provider just keeps things simple anyone can take a Linksys BEFSR41 out of the box, plug in a few cables and they have a home network. | |
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Teach Your Children
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join:2000-12-13
Springboro, OH
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| With the right combo When a cable modem rents for $4/month versus buying one for $50, and when the cable company will unquestioningly provide support for that modem if I rent it, then it seems reasonable for me to pay that amount for the equipment and service.
If a cable company were to charge me $6/month for a router versus buying one for $75, and unquestioningly provide support for the network, then it seems reasonable for me to pay that amount for the equipment and service.
If a cable company wants to charge me $100 over a few months for a $75 router, and then complain about my bandwidth usage and tell me the only support they can offer is to reboot my modem, then I will pass.
Although I may have preferences for certain hardware, and although I know I can support my own network, if the price point is right then there is a certain advantage to being able to lump product, service, and support into one package. It's like buying OEM instead of building it yourself...
I believe that the cable TV and telephone rules are correct, however, in that I should be able to what I want with the service once it enters my house. I won't expect the cable company to support my personal network, but they should not be able to force me pay an extra fee when I do not want or need their equipment or help. I would like to see these rules applied to all residential Internet services as well.
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alfnoid
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-18
| "seeing past" NAT devices "Research into "seeing past" NAT devices may someday make paying for such services less optional, as ISP's begin peeking into home networks and charging accordingly."
This can already be easily defeated by anyone with an old spare PC using linux or a BSD variant so don't fork out more money for this.
If they have you capped anyway why should they be able to tell you how many computers you can use to hit those caps?
They shouldn't be able to because one can easily hit those caps. You are the only one suffering from slow down on your own internal network.
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join:2003-01-22
Arlington, VA
| Re: "seeing past" NAT devices said by alfnoid :
You are the only one suffering from slow down on your own internal network.
What does this mean? Faulty consumer grade hardware?
And the reason why they would care is to get more money from there customers. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-18
| Re: "seeing past" NAT devices said by DBowmanJr :
said by alfnoid :
You are the only one suffering from slow down on your own internal network.
What does this mean? Faulty consumer grade hardware?
And the reason why they would care is to get more money from there customers.
What does this mean? Think about it man... if you are downing a file @ 1 megabit on a 1.5 megabit connection how many other people on your network that are sharing your connection are going to be able to do the same?
NONE!
Hence the slowdown on your network behind your NAT device, not comcast's network.
and of course they want more money! this is business after all, but I never said why would they care?
I just don't think it is right for them to be able to charge per computer when there are caps in place anyway.
Think of it like getting one of those 5 gallon jugs of water with the dispenser.
The company who brings the water doesn't tell you that only one person in your office or home can drink from it do they?
When it is gone it is gone. Same with HSI. You hit your cap with one puter or with five... you still hit it. If someone on your internal network is taking all the bandwidth that is your problem.
As of right now I don't have a huge problem with this since they don't limit your downloads like a few other ISP's (cox, RR, etc) and I know how to get around this if I ever wanted to. I don't even have the option of HSI right now so this is all on principal. I do hope there is still some HSI worth having left when I move next time.
If comcast goes to download limits like the trend seems to be then this will intensify this argument greatly.
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join:2002-06-08
Dallas, TX
| Go with Speakeasy.net If you have a home network, and your ISP wants to charge extra for additional PC's and if you have the option of DSL, I'd go with speakeasy.net. You can have as many PC's sharing one DSL connection as you want. They even let you run servers if you want. | |
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| jims2321
join:2000-04-05
Oviedo, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Go with Speakeasy.net For now... If the Baby Bells get their way and the Super DMCA passes, the bells will hunt you down like a rabid dog, if they smell profit. We have better hope that wireless ISP and phone service drops in price fast. If it doesn't then you will soon be seeing the largest share network in the world, where nobody hides information from anybody.
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@bellsouth.net | Re: Go with Speakeasy.net Whoa, hold on, it is the RIAA and MPAA that is creating these Super DMCA laws, not the Baby Bells.
If you had actually read up on it, those laws will hurt the Bells too. | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| Comcast 2nd class subscriber? I currently subscribe to Comcast HSI, but no longer subscribe to their cableTV. Instead, to save a substantial amount of money each month, I dropped Comcast cableTV and subscribed to DirecTV.
As a result, I entered into the realm of Comcast's 2nd class subscriber and am now charged $15.00 more per month because I use a competitor for cableTV service.
I will never consider ANY additional Comcast services, as attractive as they may be, until I am recognized as a Comcast Customer, regardless of the level of service, and the $15.00 per month penalty is removed forever.
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join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA | Re: Comcast 2nd class subscriber?
Thank god they are not getting any more of my money..
DirecTV and Verizon DSL ($35 for 1500/128) | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| Comcast 2nd class subscriber? Verizon DSL is not currently available to me. However, I've seen a tremendous amount of activity in my rural area from Verizon branded vehicles, and with the recent media stories of Verizon's planned expansion, I'm hoping that what I'm seeing is that option opening up soon. I will certainly look into it when/if it becomes available.
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markinpa
join:2000-12-30
Doylestown, PA | Re: Comcast 2nd class subscriber? MGLUNT, how do you get the 1500 down for 35.00? We pay 35 and only get 768 down.
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markinpa
join:2000-12-30
Doylestown, PA
| We went through the same thing here at the group home I work at. We switched from comcast tv to direvt tv and they took our internet from 40 bucks a month to 58! we ditched them and got dsl here.
It works great. My friend got the same set up and she's thrilled. She says its so nice not having to write out a check to COMCAST anymore. LOL
I myself wouldn't get rid of comcast at my own home because we have the pro service and we have a bunch of family members sharing the connection. I can't imagine doing that on DSL even though I hear it can be done. I like the extra speed of cable for that purpose. | |
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dpm1124
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Bartlett, IL
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| We are the elite.. Comcast is playing to the people here. Most of the folks out there that have cable know very little about the computers in the house. Even fewer know anything at all about networking. This is the group that Comcast is looking at. All it takes to see this is to do a little Wardriving around and you will see a lot of open networks. In my subdivision alone, out of about 300 houses I can access almost 50 open networks (only 12 were locked up). Better than that, go hang out at a Best Buy networking dept. and listen to some of the pure BS that the salespeople give out and you can understand why some people just give up on networking. We (BBR members) at least try to understand what is going on with their systems. For the most part we are ones that are called by the family and friends if something breaks or they need advice. Comcast is just trying to make a buck giving what quite a few households want, yet can't figure out how to do.
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| We need to take action This is just another reason why we need to write these money grubbing people and tell them to stop. Also we should write the Gov., even though they can make things very bad, this situation is getting worse. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the company should be able to make a buck, I don't think that they should force you to pay out the butt to do it!
I've just help a buddy get DSL and now my DSL is back on and I'm moving from comcast in 2 days. His new dsl service came with a new modem... a 2wire modem. If I was reading the quick guide right, this thing supports out the box:
ADSL (Via its self)
Home Phoneline Networks (via its self)
NAT (via its self)
and wireless (not sure if it is a access point or not).
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tomkb
Premium
join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs: | curious How come the cable companies don't try to do this with cable tv - ie adding additional tv's to the line? | |
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Vericima
Beautiful But Deadly
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join:2003-01-07
Manchester, CT | Re: curious They used to. | |
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jtudor
Xm 60's On 6 Freak
Premium,MVM
join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC
| Re: curious They still do, if they discover it. AND if you are a Digital Cable subscriber, you will also pay extra for each TV set, and Each VCR (if you want the ability to record one program while watching another) because you will need a decoder box for each TV/VCR.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | It was deemed illegal to charge per TV. And if they want to use cable tv laws to protect cable internet, then it should be illegal for them to charge you per computer too. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Because it is illegal. The Cable Act of 1996 told cable companies they cannot charge per outlet. They are allowed only per account. However, they will charge you for multiple converter boxes (like they do for digital TV.) | |
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therage57
join:2002-01-03
Salt Lake City, UT
| Too slow I guess if your too dumb to get a router at Best Buy and set it up then this is for you. Wireless right now is just too slow for me. So the price would be $80 for me since I don't have cable TV....Hmmmm, $20 for 1mbps more download. Damn if Comcast wouldn't have increased my bill by a very large amount I would have signed up. As it is I'm waiting for the power company to offer me broadband! | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Too slow Wireless is too slow? The maximum download speed from Comcast is 1.5Mbps, the best throughput on 802.11b is 4-5Mbps. 802.11g will give you about 25-30Mbps. Unless you have a bunch of machines hitting your wireless access point at the same time, how is that going to be too slow?
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join:2002-01-03
Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Too slow I should have been more specific.
Wireless over my entire network is too slow. I transfer a lot of multi gig files and I'm wanting to go faster than my current 100Mbps network if anything. | |
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radem
join:2001-05-31
Hanover Park, IL
| Re: Too slow said by therage57 :
I should have been more specific.
Wireless over my entire network is too slow. I transfer a lot of multi gig files and I'm wanting to go faster than my current 100Mbps network if anything.
Time for Giga-Bit ethernet. Got a few grand to blow? | |
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craiglester
Mandrake , Gp. Capt
join:2003-05-02
Denver, CO
| Umm.. Seems to me we dont need worry too much if we have our own network...
"The debut of Comcast Home Networking won't affect service or pricing for customers who set up their own home networks"
So we wont NEED to upgrade to the new expensive service if we dont want to?
Course, that's until they start charging us per pc attached to a nat router
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| So that's $80 for a network if you have Dish Pardon me, that sounds a tad bit excessive, isn't it?
The download increased cap is a joke, because the download is almost never the bottleneck. Come on, 3 ppl can get by with 1.8M downstream. The real issue is the upload, and from what I gathered, that hasn't changed either.
Although, I can play on Xbox Live while my wife is surfing eBay on my SBC DSL connection at 1.2/110 measured speeds. | |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| Is this even legal? My cable provider (Adelphia) has charegd me ONCE to install a splitter for two TV sets, but doesn't charge me monthly for the additional TV connection/usage (not digital tv). Can't. Not allowed. As far as I know, the same should hold for NAT - at least the software flavor, maybe not the hardware nat/firewall. Or am I wrong?
As far as paying extra for more speed... if I'm paying x for 3000/128 and I'm getting 250/90 as it is, what do I get if I sign up to pay more?
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Is this even legal? said by ravital :
As far as paying extra for more speed... if I'm paying x for 3000/128 and I'm getting 250/90 as it is, what do I get if I sign up to pay more?
you just get to pay more. paying for higher caps doesnt mean you'll get better speed because your node cant handle it.
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pyro_527
join:2002-05-05
Palatka, FL
| What about the service side? My question is how long until a tech is dispatched to come fix the network maintianed by them when it goes down? As it is, it takes them days to fix things outside of my house when cable and/or internet go down. I understand that this option seems to be for the people that don't have a clue on networking but then at the same time, those people probably don't need a 2.5meg connection either.
I personally have 4 computers going all the time on my 1.5/256 connection without issue. Maybe they ought to lower my bill since they don't have to pay for a truck roll when my stuff goes down and since I have a lower cap.....
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join:2002-01-12
Olathe, KS
| Re: What Platforms? "Then casually mention that the computers in question are running Linux, XP and OS X. " Since Linux and OS X are not supported with the networking product,the tech support person will dismiss that part and answer anything related to XP | |
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join:2002-10-20
Everett, WA
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