  jbgroup1Non ConformistPremium
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Dayton, MD | Typical for me... ...is about 10 GiB per month but this month has been high at 30 GiB. I also have VOIP and don't know how much that uses.
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Camden, TN | Re: Typical for me... said by jbgroup1:...is about 10 GiB per month but this month has been high at 30 GiB. I also have VOIP and don't know how much that uses. VoIP doesn't use that much. Even if you used it 24/7 it would use less than 30 GB a month.
Where Comcast is going to get into trouble is that THEIR VoIP doesn't count against the cap but Vonage, Packet 8, Skype etc VoIP service does. I have no doubt that Comcast will have to eventually make ALL VoIP traffic not count against their cap to avoid legal trouble. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Typical for me... I have my own issues with the impending 250GB but on the subject of VOIP, I use T-Mobile's VOIP, but I understand why Comcast excludes their own VOIP from the cap, simply it's because the users pay a VOIP fee on top of their Comcast connection where as other VOIP users do not pay Comcast any additional fee's. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Typical for me... said by stevephl:I have my own issues with the impending 250GB but on the subject of VOIP, I use T-Mobile's VOIP, but I understand why Comcast excludes their own VOIP from the cap, simply it's because the users pay a VOIP fee on top of their Comcast connection where as other VOIP users do not pay Comcast any additional fee's. I'm pretty sure Vonage customers are paying Vonage for their service. Let's face facts, this is a ploy to enourage VoIP customers to use Comcast's overpriced VoIP service over others. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Typical for me... Two posts above yours it's pointed out that VOIP doesn't use very much bandwidth at all. And that is correct. | |
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If your to-the-house telephone wires are owned by say Quest, then you use Sprint for local telephone service, Quest recoups the cost of the to-the-home infrastructure from Sprint. Not so with Comcast and Vonage. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Typical for me... said by WinterHawk :
Vonage gets away with using other people's (in this case Comcast) infrastructure for free.
LOL, then so does your porn service, Google, Yahoo, Barack Obama, John McCain, and just about everybody else then! | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Typical for me... If it were measurable, could I set a cap or charge advertisers that utilize my senses? I'd give large corporations huge discounts on my sound and vision package. They can pipe all their advertisements through my eyes and ears for only a few dollars each month. If they exceed their allotted bandwidth limit, I'll send them a bill for few thousand dollars and we can work out a settlement.  | |
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Basically, while it is technically VoIP services, It doesn't actually use the same IP network as their consumer internet does. If that's the case, then I can easily see them not running into any legal trouble since it's technically not using the same connection/network as other VoIP providers.
And before people complain about Comcast not giving Vonage/etc access to the same network/connection Connection, I'd like to see how that would work in the first place. If Comcast is basically just using VoIP for the last mile, but is switching everything like a "traditional" phone service the rest of the way, then I don't see how vonage or other VoIP providers can complain since their connection to the "traditional" phone network is located much further from the end user.
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| | | | said by BF69:said by jbgroup1:...is about 10 GiB per month but this month has been high at 30 GiB. I also have VOIP and don't know how much that uses. VoIP doesn't use that much. Even if you used it 24/7 it would use less than 30 GB a month. Where Comcast is going to get into trouble is that THEIR VoIP doesn't count against the cap but Vonage, Packet 8, Skype etc VoIP service does. I have no doubt that Comcast will have to eventually make ALL VoIP traffic not count against their cap to avoid legal trouble. BF69, why do you say VOIP doesn't use that much? By my calculation I can talk on the phone for a little over 11 hours per month. Over that I will get into trouble with Comcast.
I have Vonage, and its bandwidth saver has three settings: 30kbps (normal sound quality), 50kbps (higher sound quality) and 90kbps (highest sound quality). I'm using the mid-range 50kbps.
By my calculation, 50kbps=6.24kBps, so I would use my entire 250GB allotment if I talk on the phone for 250,000,000/6240 seconds. | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Typical for me... said by Eric 74 :
Plus 11,000 hours vastly exceeds the amount of time anyone can talk in a month.
It may not be mathematically possible, but a teenage girl can probably find a way to make it happen.  | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Typical for me... It does not look too bad. You only breach the limit on 2 occasions in almost 2 years, and one of these was just barely exceeding the 250GB max. Considering your normal usage, you might not have been bothered in that one off month unless the system was degraded.
Don't you have two separate modems going into one router in your setup? If so, wouldn't you have two Comcast accounts with a total of 500GB (250GB each) available if you did the same thing with Comcast? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Typical for me... LOL, this is just my laptop ALONE!!! And yes. 2 connections. Soon to be a 3rd! | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Typical for me... said by DaMaGeINC:LOL, this is just my laptop ALONE!!! And yes. 2 connections. Soon to be a 3rd! Hog!! | |
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| | | Re: They can't be trusted This is true. Without a means to measure nor an FCC mandated for proof of abuse (ahem, excessive usage) they could easily lie about the matter and target customers exceeding 100GB, or 50GB. | |
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kudos:2 | said by TIGERON:I don't care what Comcast says, they can't be trusted. comcastissue.blogspot.com I don't think anyone is asking you to trust Comcast. I think many of us learned not to trust corporations after Enron. | |
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kudos:18 | said by TIGERON:I don't care what Comcast says, they can't be trusted. comcastissue.blogspot.com I don't trust anything or anyone - what's your point?
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somewhere | Re: Conveniently ignore HD said by LeftOfSanity:said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. If people are savvy enough to do all that, they should be savvy enough to look into meters. If not, time to learn. Be responsible for yourself. saavy? what are you talking about ... all you need to do is go to like abc.com or something and right there in big bold letters it says something like 'CLICK HERE TO WATCH YOUR FAVORITE SHOWS IN HD QUALITY' anybody can do that.
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"How does Comcast help its customers track their usage so they can avoide exceeding the limit?
There are many online tools customers can download and use to measure their consumption. Customers can find such tools by simply doing a Web search - for example, a search for "bandwidth meter" will provide some options. Customers using multiple PCs should just be aware that they will need to measure and combine their total monthly usage in order to identify the data usage for their entire account."
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Comcast is getting worse by the minute. Qwest's fiber optic service is looking more appealing by the minute. Even if they have terrible caps on their service at least I'd be able to reach those caps at the advertised speeds I'm paying for instead of some crappy speed limit imposed upon me by a company who won't do anything other than offer, at my cost, to replace my modem or rewire my house as it "could" be part of my speed problem according to them/their "how to deal with a customer reporting they've noticed our speed caps" script! | |
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Camden, TN | said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. LEGALLY acquired HD movies online are in the 6 GB range. So you'd have to download about 42 a month to go over the cap. Considering they cost about $6 to rent, that's $250 a month. If one can afford that I think one could afford getting a second account. | |
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somewhere | Re: Conveniently ignore HD said by BF69:said by GhostDoggy:I like how they exampled 125 standard definition movies, but imagine you are streaming MPEG-2 in HD. Now, I am all about moderation (too much of anything is 'suppose' to be bad for you), but they give no means for a heavy user to know how much they have used. As a result, Comcast's efforts are as reckless as their heavy users. LEGALLY acquired HD movies online are in the 6 GB range. So you'd have to download about 42 a month to go over the cap. Considering they cost about $6 to rent, that's $250 a month. If one can afford that I think one could afford getting a second account. i dont know about movies, all i know is i was streaming several gigabytes a day watching episodes of lost for free on abc.com in hd. As more and more people watch tv in hd, the streams will be available online too for free 
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kudos:1 | Just to add to the measurement-by-activity fun * Send more than 50 million plain text emails (at 5 KB/email);
* Download 62,500 songs (at 4 MB/song); or
* Download 125 standard definition movies (at 2 GB/movie).
* Play 2,880 hours of games online! (at 15kb/s)
* Pirate 41 DVDs! (at 6GB/DVD)
* Pirate 10 BluRay Movies! (at 25gb/BluRay Movie)
* Download 71 Linux distos! (at 3.5gb/Distro)
* Download 1,000 WoW Patches! (at 250mb/Patch) | |
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Dallastown, PA | 768K I dropped to the economy teir -- 768K bps to save $$$. The way I calculate, if I maxed out the pipe 24/7 for 30 days I would just barely reach 250GB. Now, I haven't received an email yet, so who knows, maybe economy has a lower cap??? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 768K said by chas3:I dropped to the economy teir -- 768K bps to save $$$. The way I calculate, if I maxed out the pipe 24/7 for 30 days I would just barely reach 250GB. Now, I haven't received an email yet, so who knows, maybe economy has a lower cap??? All tiers have the same cap, for net neutrality purposes. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: 768K said by Rob:said by chas3:I dropped to the economy teir -- 768K bps to save $$$. The way I calculate, if I maxed out the pipe 24/7 for 30 days I would just barely reach 250GB. Now, I haven't received an email yet, so who knows, maybe economy has a lower cap??? All tiers have the same cap, for net neutrality purposes. What he's saying he could be downloading 24/7 on his 768 Kbps tier and he wouldn't hit the cap. As in it's physically impossible. I personally wouldn't drop down to that slow of speed just to avoid acap sicne one would asume you wouldn't be downloading anywhere near 24/7. Not legally anyways. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 768K said by BF69:said by Rob:said by chas3:I dropped to the economy teir -- 768K bps to save $$$. The way I calculate, if I maxed out the pipe 24/7 for 30 days I would just barely reach 250GB. Now, I haven't received an email yet, so who knows, maybe economy has a lower cap??? All tiers have the same cap, for net neutrality purposes. What he's saying he could be downloading 24/7 on his 768 Kbps tier and he wouldn't hit the cap. As in it's physically impossible. I personally wouldn't drop down to that slow of speed just to avoid acap sicne one would asume you wouldn't be downloading anywhere near 24/7. Not legally anyways. Yea, but the cap is still not any lower. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: 768K said by Rob:Yea, but the cap is still not any lower. Well no but I think his main concern is not going over the cap and also not having to monitor his usage. Like I said I personally would do what he's doing to avoid going over the cap. It takes alot to use 250 GB. I get a meter and see how much I actualy use before lowering my speeds. | |
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kudos:1 | 250GB? I wish! Now if only Shaw could give us some 250GB caps! | |
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join:2003-12-09
Albuquerque, NM | Where's My E-mail? Has anyone here actually received this e-mail advisory? I have not as of yet. | |
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| | | Re: Where's My E-mail? Comcast has been doing this for over a year now. I was an At&T rep in a store and my friend used newsgroups and comcast called him and told him to cut his bandwitch or they would cancel his service. THIS WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. They did not say how much to cut it, but my friend was using about 500g a month. HE cut it down to like 250g and they told him it was too much and cut his service for a year. This happened in California. They should be suied because this is the same thing that happened in Flordia where they would not specify how much you could use. So dont by that comcast crap, they are a shady company. | |
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kudos:1 | ? Should be interesting in seeing what kind of monitoring tool Comcast allows it's subs to view their monthly usage. | |
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| | usage Of course they won't start telling us how much we're using so we can, you know, KNOW if we are going to be affected by the cap. Because that's our own job, right?
Even Ma Bell gives you a damned usage report.
That's so Comcastic!
Good thing we have choice in the BB market. Or not, depending on whether or not your area is deemed worth providing DSL or WiMax to. | |
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| | This is why I got rid of Comcast This is precisely why I got rid of overprice Comcast. Let's see if Comcast can try to build a foothill attracting new customers with there already high prices and monthly bandwidth caps. This is why I went with Clearwire. | |
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Lake City, FL | Bad at math? "a fraction of one percent of our customers"
A fraction, say 9999/10000 or .9999% That's basically 1%.
Note they didn't word this as "high speed" customers, merely customers.
From Wikipedia: (Yes i know, bad source- but these seem fairly accurate)
"Comcast serves a total of 24.2 million cable customers, 14.7 million digital cable customers, 12.9 million high-speed internet customers, and 4.1 million voice customers."
So, you could play with numbers and say Comcast has 55.9 million customers, even though these services likely overlap the larger number. We'll be fair and just use the 12.9 million, as we're talking about highspeed.
Now we don't know WHAT fraction they were saying--- it could be 1/100000... I guess that's why they hired lawyers to cover press releases.
By my math - "UP TO" ~128,999 customers are affected by this change.
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Philadelphia, PA | 250GB for UL + DL combined? I haven't been following this much.
The 250GB limit is the combined limit for UL + DL, right?
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| | Bugs me... It just bugs me that many ISPs (read:comcast) are trying to offer more services instead of becoming a "dumb pipe" (which may be what the customers WANT). So they offer all these music and video services to their customers... but they are charging us against the cap for their services. You'd think things that remain in network would not count against the cap...
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kudos:2 | Re: Bugs me... said by snipper_cr:It just bugs me that many ISPs (read:comcast) are trying to offer more services instead of becoming a "dumb pipe" (which may be what the customers WANT). So they offer all these music and video services to their customers... but they are charging us against the cap for their services. You'd think things that remain in network would not count against the cap... The reason why they aren't becoming a dumb pipe is because there are too many dumb customers. As long as there are dumb customers, there are markets for them, and Comcast (as well as every ISP) will take advantage (read: $$$) of these customers.
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Chicago, IL | Re: Got one said by m3rl1n :
I received one of these notices today and noticed that their FAQs stated that the in order to monitor your own usage, you would need to do a google search on "bandwidth meter" and install 3rd party software on each desktop and add those numbers together. There was no mention of an online tool. It doesn't really matter to me as I use Tomato on my router, but If I were a normal user, I would be pissed.
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| | Another CONJOB from CONcast CONcast shows themselves as greedy anti-customer bastards. Each Comcast Executive is nothing more than filth, literal sh*t.
We need to do everything we can to destroy Comcast as a company. Put it into bankruptcy.. End it's commission.
Otherwise they will do all they can to destory the internet as a free medium of information.
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One thing that really burned me was during the writer's strike. We all know that there was nothing really good to watch for quite a long time. So what did Comcast do about to help out their customers? They raised the price of their movies!!!!!!!!!!!
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Personally I don't think Comcast should implement one... they shouldn't have to. If users are heavy users, then they should know to cut back (and should have the insight to track their own usage). Like Comcast says... the majority of users have absolutely nothing to worry about, since this change is of no effect. | |
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