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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
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| CC=Joke Basically, Comcast is cramming to much data (hd) when their system can't handle it..all to compete with Directv.
To say they have "more" hd channels...Comcast is seriously a joke.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: CC=Joke I'd demand a refund... or take my service elsewhere/
Comcast's TV service isn't known for being cheap/inexpensive.
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| Re: Of course for one you really dont know what your talking about the nodes are not over loaded two there is more than enough room for all the HD channels and they are well above what the fcc requires now to compare it to dish is just stupid due to if you look at there hd yes the have lots of #channels with hd but most are repeats of the east coast already ran show so in fact they actually have 1.2 of what they are really advertising's as with comcast each HD channels is actually a differant ch al together SO DONT TALK WHEN YOU DONT KNOW YOUR FACTS | |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
·Embarq
| it blows. Did we expect real HDTV through their crammed full silver-goo coax?
I don't sub to their HD service, but I get a few HD channels on the dot channels using my HDTV's tuner. They look better than the normal fare (basic cable - no box), but nowhere near as good as OTA HD channels (not even close) or my neighbor's HD SatTV.
They'll cram even more junk down their little pipes until you're looking at digital blocks of garbage and tell you it's gold. Sorta like the old "piss on your boots and tell you it's raining" thing, only at over a C note a month. hahahahah!!! Gotta love these guys cutting their own throats.
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join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs: | Re: Of course so far there is no evidence of recompressing OTA channels, so if you are seeing a difference that's just a placebo effect. | |
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join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs: | Re: Hmm... man you are one piece of work...  | |
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join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs:
| Re: Hmm... said by Rick  :said by plat2on1 :man you are one piece of work... Thanks. I'd tend to put much more reliance however in my own experience as an actual user of the service rather than some of those above who, by their own admission..don't even have the service but yet who choose to bash it. Now THAT is what i'd call a real piece of work. evidence be damned! comcast is great! | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| Re: Hmm... said by plat2on1 :said by Rick :said by plat2on1 :man you are one piece of work... Thanks. I'd tend to put much more reliance however in my own experience as an actual user of the service rather than some of those above who, by their own admission..don't even have the service but yet who choose to bash it. Now THAT is what i'd call a real piece of work. evidence be damned! comcast is great! Evidence? I don't need any evidence. I have the service and it works great.
I'm sorry if your experience has been less than satisfactory..but mine hasn't.
I have yet to see a HD picture that looks anything close to what has been presented in these "news" stories.
My HD pictures look great. Awesome in fact.
And so too is my 30,000k HSI speeds.
Sorry if that seems to trouble you. But that's how comcast performs for me.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Kansas City, MO
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| Re: Hmm... said by Rick :Evidence? I don't need any evidence. Bush Doctrine strikes again! | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Rick :Evidence? I don't need any evidence. I have the service and it works great. I'm sorry if your experience has been less than satisfactory..but mine hasn't. I have yet to see a HD picture that looks anything close to what has been presented in these "news" stories. My HD pictures look great. Awesome in fact. And so too is my 30,000k HSI speeds. Sorry if that seems to trouble you. But that's how comcast performs for me. One person being happy does not constitute a valid statistical survey. Let's add your obvious bias and you can hardly be neutral about the matter. | |
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join:2008-01-18
Somersworth, NH
| That is the reason I kicked Comcast to the curb for TV...that and more channels being taken away, crap shopping channels being added, and prices going up on top of all that...
Watching HD on Comcast varied...sometimes it was fine, but other times it was completely unwatchable. Especially with action scenes. Some channels altogether just would just go black, then pixelate back into view. Lovely.
The internet and phone has been rock solid, but tv service has been lackluster. | |
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join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | I agree rick. Some of these people have nothing better to do than hate on something they done even understand. | |
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join:2007-10-30
Windsor, ON
| Actually I am not defending comcast but the images presented looks like pixelization issue with signal and not the compression.
Honestly I see no diffference with comcast or any cable company for that matter along with the satellite...they all look relitively fine to me...plus the kiddies cant get over the fact coax works just as well, not every company can lose billions investing into a complete fiber network just so joe blow can sit 5 feet away from a tv set and compare pictures. | |
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Huh? What?
Premium
join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX
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| The only thing for which your experience is evidence is how the service is in your home. You cannot extrapolate your experience to Comcast markets across the country. I'd bet there's far less demand for HD in Waterbury than there is in more highly populated areas.
Please come to Houston and I will show you pictures that look every bit as pixelated as those in the news stories. I'll show them to you any day, every day. I'll take you next door to my neighbor who also gets the same crappy pixelation. And the folks who live behind me, and everyone on the block, and all over the city.
I'm happy you are getting a great picture, but your experience is not the same as everyone else.
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join:2003-01-29
Waterloo, ON | Someone owns Comcast stock. | |
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join:2001-03-01
Union City, NJ
·Optimum Online
| I have Comcast, and the HD is really bad.
Can't get satellite because of trees arouns, and FIOS Tv does not carry the NHL center ice package. So i ma stuck with lousy Comcast. In spite of cramming lots of HD on little bandwidth, they still have an issue with capacity. I was told, sorry we don't carry the HD game of the package... They are terrible. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| said by Rick :said by plat2on1 :man you are one piece of work... Thanks. I'd tend to put much more reliance however in my own experience as an actual user of the service rather than some of those above who, by their own admission..don't even have the service but yet who choose to bash it. Now THAT is what i'd call a real piece of work. Ok.. I'll chime in..
I just went from Wideopenwest to CC. I got the HD pack as well. Since I have no standard to compare to, other then the stuff people say and post on the internet (just like when everyone was saying how Sunrocket was GREAT... NOT!), I have to go with my experience so far. My channels look outstanding. I just recently installed a HDMI cable and seen even a better difference just on standard channels. Getting over the air HD channels will never compare to getting them through numerous coax connections, splitters, etc.. so that's apples and oranges as far as that goes. Hmm.. OTA HD vs miles of coax, jumpers and old inhome coax.. time to up the meds if I expect them to have the same end result.
This all sorta reminds me of my first HD LCD tv. Picture looked so great in the store. The brightness, clarity and sound. Ok.. sold me.. so take it home, hook it up to my "coax".. Dang.. must have got a tv that's been dropped. Picture looked so "putty", jagged and blah.. But tune in some OTA HD channels and holy crap batman! CC may be crap but short of not having a life that revolves around watching the History channel in HD.. I'm more then happy with what I get and the price (WOW winback deal), the price is worth getting a drop out from time to time. Sorta like the FiOS fanboys who will put up with billing issues and the aholes at Verizons customer service department just to get that 15mbps HSI and a little better HD experience. Sorry guys put some of you are pushing this a little over the edge. Well.. time to take the dog for walk. | |
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@tds.net
| Re: Hmm... This is all digital, so what you're saying isn't correct. It shouldn't matter how many times the signal is split or anything like analog. Either the signal is there, or it is not. I find is laughable that people go out and buy Monster brand HDMI over a cheaper HDMI cable... The signal is DIGITAL! As long as the signal gets there, you're gonna have an image!
You would be correct about the over compressed HD channels comcast is offering. They would still look better than SD to most people. Compared to OTHER HD from other providers, they're crap. There are two different issues going on here. There's the "this is good enough of a picture" issue, and then there's "How does this HD picture compared to a standard, reference HD picture." Two issues. | |
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| Re: Hmm... wrong, digital signals suffer from loss and deterioration. Noise interference also can cause loss of bits and will cause the error correcting software to have to re-stream data causing freezing while being rebuffered. Even through fiber there can be loss and noise caused by things such as reflection, refraction and certain types of frequency interference. Every time there is a splice in the fiber or a connector..etc, it does affect the data stream quality which can be degraded to the point that a digital amplifier can not repair it. When that happens... your screen will start dropping pieces of the image and cause a blocky effect until the error correction can re-buffer enough good data which is when you see a frozen image for a second or 2. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| said by Thisisdigital :
This is all digital, so what you're saying isn't correct. It shouldn't matter how many times the signal is split or anything like analog. Either the signal is there, or it is not. I find is laughable that people go out and buy Monster brand HDMI over a cheaper HDMI cable... The signal is DIGITAL! As long as the signal gets there, you're gonna have an image!
You would be correct about the over compressed HD channels comcast is offering. They would still look better than SD to most people. Compared to OTHER HD from other providers, they're crap. There are two different issues going on here. There's the "this is good enough of a picture" issue, and then there's "How does this HD picture compared to a standard, reference HD picture." Two issues.
Ok.. read what CUDA said.. On top of that. I'm not buying into that "digital" theory your holding on to. That allows the provider to CRAM more crap onto existing coax. People think just because it's digital, your guaranteed the best picture no matter what. In a perfect lab. Yes. To someones house a few miles from the node, no. Digital from my 20+ years of communications experience just means using less bandwidth and putting more data on the same size pipe. Didn't make it any better, just more of it. Garbage in, Garbage out. The end result is only as good as the highway it's riding on. But now, that's just me and I don't have a degree in electrical engineering to back it up..  | |
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Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | The same kind of signal goes in one end of that coax whether its "digital" or "analog."
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@comcast.net
| boy someone is stupid its the sheilding in the cable that can make a diffarnts if the signal is there yes it does matter how many times you split it and you will get the same quality pic weather you have dish or cable because either way you have to go through coax and dish usally uses the cable wiring anyways and if you have dish i hope its not down pooring if so just wait to see what happens to your pic now | |
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N3OGH
Will it all be Obama's fault now?
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon Online DSL
| My Comcast HD service has been problematic from go.
I remember watching the Mets Vs. Phillies game on Comcast SportsNet at the end of last year's season. The dropped frames and pixelization drove me INSANE.
Compared to my buddy's Fios TV, my Comcast service is definitely second rate. I'm patiently waiting for Verizon. Supposed to have it by the end of June.
Sure, Comcast's light beams might technically pass more homes, at least according to their commercial, but when those light beams actually come to my doorstep. Well, the result is more gooder...
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
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Chicago, IL
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| Something tells me a satellite salesman posting made-up crap at AVS would meet the same fate as a spyware vendor talking trash here in the Security forum.
The evidence is there. Maybe you need a new TV to see what a good HD picture looks like.
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badtrip
East Bay
Premium
join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA
·Comcast
| said by Rick :I'm watching Comcast HD right now and it looks awesome. Actually..one of the best HD pictures I've ever seen. And, scanning through my whole lineup the rest look great as well. I guess the Satellite salesmen are resorting to anything these days to try to sell their 2nd rate service. I've subscribed to both DirecTV's and Comcast's HD services. DirecTV's HD picture beats Comcast's HD picture hands down, no comparison...etc. To be honest, Comcast's HD picture is not much better than thier STD picture. It's pretty pathetic, actually. | |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Pretty simple, Comcast admitted they have an issue.
"We apologize this has not created the HD experience that we intended, but we will work towards getting it right." | |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | Comcast is glad you enjoy your HDLite, I'm sure they'll give you a virtual pat on the head.  | |
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join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
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| said by Rick :I'm watching Comcast HD right now and it looks awesome. Actually..one of the best HD pictures I've ever seen. And, scanning through my whole lineup the rest look great as well. I guess the Satellite salesmen are resorting to anything these days to try to sell their 2nd rate service. They probably have not started jamming 3 HD channels into a single QAM in your area yet. This thread is about Comcast beginning this practice to add more HD channels. What you see now is irrelevant to this discussion. You should actually look at the thread on the AVS forum and the evidence / proof to back up his claims. | |
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@verizon.net
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Ive been a television engineer for about 35 years and sat thru the transition from analog to digital and these guys are right about the nasty compression comcast uses just to try to appear to compete... they over charge and throttle data on their broadband connections as well and are not forthcoming about it to boot... you decide!
Perhaps you dont see the compression artifacts but they are there..... | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA | At least they're admitting it, which is quite surprising. Usually they'd minimize it or blame it on the customer's TV or lack of Monster Cables. | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: Benefit of the Doubt They'll release a statement in three days denying that they admitted anything.
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The bear formerly known as aaron8301
join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA
·CableOne
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | ... though by year's end they'll have planned to have admitted something. | |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | Couldnt they move to sdv and remove some analog channels insead of compressing the hd signals? | |
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join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs: | Re: couldnt they do sdv and remove analog channels? analog is still a huge portion of cables business, they don't want to lose those customers. | |
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@sbcglobal.net
| Re: couldnt they do sdv and remove analog channels? Tell that to places where they have already killed analog (I think there was a story here about Chicago). They are pitching and moving most appealing services to digital anyway. They aren't afraid to loose Analog customers although they are not ready to kick them all out just yet. | |
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ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
·Vonage
·Comcast
| here's how it usually reads if/when bothersome consumers try to ask questions of comcast:
consumer: "what's up with the hd quality?:
comcast: "shut up. take what we give you and like it"
in one way or another, we've all been on the catching end of such a dialog with team roberts. go figure. | |
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join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI
| Well it is true that the only HD you will ever get that is true HD if from OTA broadcasts.
Both cable and Sat system still compress there signals. Granted cable has to compress it more, as they have less bandwidth at this time. The sat company's have had to put up new sat's just to handle the HD bandwidth to avoid the over compression. Still even with sat i see over compression on regular channels. Nothing makes me mad-er then paying for a PPV movie and then seeing it all blockey and over compressed so if i record it , while let me just say i should of not ordered the movie just by the DVD. This has it own set of problem now also, what you going to do with those HD DVD's now.
I think the Government need to make some laws, to stop this practice. That is if we are going to have to pay extra for HD signals and equipment then they should have to deliver the HD signal in full uncompressed format. If that means that cable company's need to upgrade to fiber networks so be it. | |
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defaultPlay
join:2007-11-30
Collegeville, PA | "We apologize this has not created the HD experience that we intended, but we will work towards getting it right."
It's Comcastic! | |
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jukeboxmel
join:2004-03-19
Havre De Grace, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| I had both compresscast and Direct tv here in our home, I had directv on the 70in dlp set in the family room and compresscast in the bedrooms. Free trial made it attractive to do a side by side comparison. Both Samsung plasma tv's in the bedrooms looked blotchy to me, especially in the dark or action scenes, so I ran a feed from the dish to the bedrooms, connected both to the tv sets using hdmi, and the difference was stark, the set's looked like dvd quality.
I did not tell mom, I programmed the tv with 2 hdmi inputs and a universal remote, she complained about the poor pictures on some channels, turned out that the compresscast channels were the ones she was complaining about! we are now free of compresscast and totally on direct tv.
My neighbor watched a movie at our house the other night and asked if he could borrow the dvd to watch again later, he was shocked »i.dslr.net/v2/lite/grey/surprised.gif
[:o] when I showed him that it was on HBOHD on the satellite! He too is now free of compresscast and on direct tv. Works for us! Guess Rick get's better signal quality at the comcast corporate headend »i.dslr.net/v2/lite/grey/wink.gif
[;)] than us peeons out in the field, and by the way, bose does not make a 901 surround system.... Not that I can find!!»i.dslr.net/v2/lite/grey/bigsmile.gif
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@comcast.net
| Its too bad we dont have broadcasters like they do in europe. They use like 20-30 mbps broadcasts with Mpeg-4 check out this extensive comparison of several broadcast sources »home.arcor.de/madshi/serenity.html | |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: I wish cable companies would take note of Broadcasters in eu European broadcasters had the advantage of starting later than the ATSC did, and started from a more technologically advanced position. The US Digital TV standard is almost 15 years old.
The ATSC is working on incorporating MPEG4 into the ATSC DTV standard. The US raw data rate is 38 megabits but half of that is used for error correction. If a more robust transport protocol were devised that still met the RF mask we could be looking at a higher-definition standard in the future ourselves.
To be honest with you, I don't see much difference between the US and UK and German HD broadcast picture from that site. Maybe Firefox is diddling with the graphics rendering.
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: I wish cable companies would take note of Broadcasters in eu Must be. The UK was clearly by far the best with almost no pixelation. It was even better than the HD DVD IMO as it had less issues with gradients. | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: I wish cable companies would take note of Broadcasters in eu Thanks. I'll check it out again tomorrow at the office on my 24" 1920x1080 monitor with a better graphics card.
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Seandhi
Seeing From a New Level
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join:2003-04-19
Humble, TX | Comcast is admitting that they're wrong? I thought that April Fool's Day was yesterday...
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Comcast Defends Low Quality HD Signal
