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@comcast.net
| um no? How can at&t be comcast's biggest threat? at&t internet speed tiers just plain suck compared to comcast.
If verizon actually starts expanding their fios at a faster rate in areas that aren't declined as "ritzy ritz" they might have something.. | |
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join:2003-02-23
Middletown, NJ
| Re: um no? said by anon219 :
How can at&t be comcast's biggest threat? at&t internet speed tiers just plain suck compared to comcast.
If verizon actually starts expanding their fios at a faster rate in areas that aren't declined as "ritzy ritz" they might have something..
Typical cable homer
There are places in NJ that are not ritzy ritz and in NYC also? FIOS has reached a lot of places you would go to at night. So before you speak get your facts correctly! | |
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m00 c0wz g0
Premium
join:2005-03-19
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Neyland85
join:2003-02-04
North Augusta, SC
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| Re: um no? As an ATT subscriber who's had both services, Comcast's consistancy in my area was the same as ATT. But being that a majority of ATT's DSL footprint gets a max of 3mb service, even if Comcast were do drop to half its advertised speeds it would be significantly faster than DSL.
Powerboost is where the network will give you additional bandwidth if availible for short burts (say 3 mins) when downloading. Something I really wish ATT would pick up on. | |
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join:2004-10-08
Rockford, IL
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| Re: um no? ...Powerboost is a bust!! That is what the marketing media wants you to believe 'powerboost' is. Yes it gives you a sudden jolt at first. but it is really nothing more than an elaborate 'caching' & 'compression' like scheme where Comcast can actually use less real bandwidth of ones (subscribers) supposed speed tier allotment and dupe the user into thinking they are actually getting something for nothing. But in reality it follows Comcast's philosophy of "pay more for Less". All it really is good for is to deliver ads faster to your browser for those that don't use a host file or ad-blocker & maybe an occasional small file download if the 'Protocol Agnostic' crap doesn't kick in and time you out so one has to restart their download a few times.
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join:2003-02-04
North Augusta, SC | Re: um no? ...Powerboost is a bust!! Really? My FTP transfers from my remote server which woulndn't be cached by Comcast seemed to prove otherwise. Seemed powerboost always delivered as advertised and my nonboosted speeds were also always as advertised. | |
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| said by Artec  :said by anon219 :
How can at&t be comcast's biggest threat? at&t internet speed tiers just plain suck compared to comcast.
If verizon actually starts expanding their fios at a faster rate in areas that aren't declined as "ritzy ritz" they might have something..
Typical cable homer There are places in NJ that are not ritzy ritz and in NYC also? FIOS has reached a lot of places you would go to at night. So before you speak get your facts correctly! The fact that Comcast considers AT&T their biggest threat is because Comcast *knows* they're not competing with FiOS. They can state they are, but they're not.
Let's get one thing straight here:
The instant Verizon starts offering FiOS in Silicon Valley, both AT&T and Comcast are going to sh** bricks, because they will easily lose half their customers.
But Verizon had better be fully prepared -- because if you screw up providing service in the Bay, a well-known trickle-down effect happens: your stock value drops sharply, while the number of customers telling others via forums and word-of-mouth "avoid Verizon, they suck!" quintuples. Verizon had better be ready to prepare for just how much bandwidth we chew up around here, and just how technically-savvy and picky we are.
This also explains why northern California is literally the *LAST* place to get broadband deployments (doesn't matter what company) -- the risks of being too hasty with deployments are VERY high here.
That said, I think the majority of us in the Bay are sick and tired of AT&T and Comcast -- both tremendously underpowered and atrociously overpriced. We don't have any decent alternatives (we can debate this some other time; 3rd-party DSL providers don't count, because they still have to rely on AT&T copper, and wireless/satellite doesn't count either due to high latency and crummy packet loss). A third choice (Verizon) would be a blessing. | |
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My little Toby.
join:2004-02-23
Winter Park, FL
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·Comcast
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| Re: um no? said by koitsu :said by Artec :said by anon219 :
How can at&t be comcast's biggest threat? at&t internet speed tiers just plain suck compared to comcast.
If verizon actually starts expanding their fios at a faster rate in areas that aren't declined as "ritzy ritz" they might have something..
Typical cable homer There are places in NJ that are not ritzy ritz and in NYC also? FIOS has reached a lot of places you would go to at night. So before you speak get your facts correctly! The fact that Comcast considers AT&T their biggest threat is because Comcast *knows* they're not competing with FiOS. They can state they are, but they're not. Let's get one thing straight here: The instant Verizon starts offering FiOS in Silicon Valley, both AT&T and Comcast are going to sh** bricks, because they will easily lose half their customers. But Verizon had better be fully prepared -- because if you screw up providing service in the Bay, a well-known trickle-down effect happens: your stock value drops sharply, while the number of customers telling others via forums and word-of-mouth "avoid Verizon, they suck!" quintuples. Verizon had better be ready to prepare for just how much bandwidth we chew up around here, and just how technically-savvy and picky we are. This also explains why northern California is literally the *LAST* place to get broadband deployments (doesn't matter what company) -- the risks of being too hasty with deployments are VERY high here. That said, I think the majority of us in the Bay are sick and tired of AT&T and Comcast -- both tremendously underpowered and atrociously overpriced. We don't have any decent alternatives (we can debate this some other time; 3rd-party DSL providers don't count, because they still have to rely on AT&T copper, and wireless/satellite doesn't count either due to high latency and crummy packet loss). A third choice (Verizon) would be a blessing. I've been told firsthand by higherup Verizon FiOS marketing reps that the chances of them overlapping with AT&T's territory is 0, so it looks like you're stuck with AT&T and Comcast. | |
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Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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Premium
join:2006-11-12
Lisle, IL | Unless you are in some parts of the Dallas/Fort Worth Metro area, where Verizon has and is over-building FiOS where AT&T U-Verse already is.
I know of no other areas that this is happening, but Verizon and AT&T are overlapping in Texas | |
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join:2008-10-08
Irving, TX | he's not saying u-verse is a superior service, he's just saying at&t has more overlap with comcast markets, thus a bigger impact | |
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join:2005-09-28
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Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: um no? said by battleop :Not everyone cares about speed. Many people care about price. Truth!
But as things keep progressing, speed is becoming more and more important.
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join:2005-09-28
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| Re: um no? No, not really. I know a lot of people who simply don't care about watching videos online or downloading music. I helped a friend of my father-in-law fix the resolution on his monitor last weekend. He has a 512/128 connection he pays about 10 to 15 bucks a month for. He is as happy as he can be with that speed. He looks up a few things related to hunting, gets a few emails from the kids and that's about it. | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| said by battleop :No, not really. I know a lot of people who simply don't care about watching videos online or downloading music. I helped a friend of my father-in-law fix the resolution on his monitor last weekend. He has a 512/128 connection he pays about 10 to 15 bucks a month for. He is as happy as he can be with that speed. He looks up a few things related to hunting, gets a few emails from the kids and that's about it. Yes, really, more and more young people are relying on the internet and they are going to want the faster speeds. | |
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Premium
join:2003-12-20
Sacramento, CA | Thank you! price is all that matters with me. Left comcast because of price plus ATT gives cash Back  | |
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join:2008-08-12
Rochester, MI | Re: um no? Me too. I'm getting more for the buck with U-verse than I did with Commiecast. | |
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join:2003-10-23
Little Rock, AR
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@sbcglobal.net | In November, ATT is going to introduce their new 18/1.5 max tier for $65 a mouth. I Currently have subscribe to ATT UV 10/1.5 and $55 a mouth is still way over price for these speeds. | |
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join:2007-01-12
Phoenix, AZ | Re: um no? A side note on that speed. It will only be available to subscribers who have internet only. The max speed coming down from the VRAD is 25mbps, that handles internet, tv, and voip if you have it. | |
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You can keep the "change"
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Prices and caps, thats how ATT beats Comcast. ATT has lower prices and no capage. | |
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Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
·Comcast
|  Re: um no?
Over time, the discounts vanish, or are reduced. The bill goes up. My $20 1.5m/384k DSL Express went from $20 which I was supposed to pay to $40 by the time I cancelled.
AT&T advertises low prices, but you have to regularly check your bill, and complain about loss or reduction of a discount. If you don't, it'll go up.
Comcast is much easier to read, and straight forward. I prefer my Comcast bill vs. my AT&T bill.
AT&T's DSL Express 1.5m / 384k service was the ONLY DSL service AT&T had for me over a very long period of time. Comcast offered 6m / 1m for $45 for 6 months, then up to about $65 after that. It IS more expensive, but also much faster. Comcast is currently in the process of rolling out 12m / 2m service.
What would you be happier with 1.5m /384k DSL for $40 service or 12m / 2m service for $65?
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In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| U-Verse Deals... When AT&T rolls U-Verse out in a new market, they flood the market with promotional offers that Comcast has a hard time matching. Although in the end Comcast does manage to retain the customer (more often than not), they lose more customers to AT&T's U-verse because of the promotional deals, than with Verizon's FiOS.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Comcast VoIP more expensive than POTS I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. Vonage, Packet 8 are MUCH cheaper if you want VoIP. $40 for VoIP form Comcast. Hell I can get a POTS line with caller ID from at&t for $27 total with ALL taxes and fees INCLUDED. For $5 more I can get 5 cents a minute long distance which I never use anyways. | |
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dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| • Unlimited local and long-distance calling and low international rates
• 12 popular calling features, plus Voice Mail, included in one low monthly price:
Three-Way Calling - Anonymous Call Rejection - Call Forwarding - Selective Call Forwarding - Call Return - Call Screening - Call Waiting - Caller ID - Caller ID Blocking Per Call & Line - Caller ID with Call Waiting - Repeat Dialing - Speed Dial
• Keep your current phone number and your existing phones
• Check your home Voice Mail online from any computer with web access
• One bill for your Comcast Digital Voice, Cable, and High-Speed Internet when you bundle your Comcast services
• An online account summary where you can view your phone call details
CDV does not rely on your HSI connection - it is on it's own channel(lack of a better term).
On a few occasions, my bill was well over $55.
Now, with CDV, it will never exceed $44($39.99 + regulatory).
All common POTS items still work - Dialup, FAX, alarms, etc.
HSI can crap out - CDV still works.
Power can drop and CDV has a 10 hour battery - still works.
SBC here sucked ass! Kicked them to the curb years ago and haven't looked back.
There is no POTS line coming to this house.
YMMV.
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| From the start of comcast voip 25% came from comcast circuit switched phone customers paying $42 dollars a month, now paying $33 a month. I think we all know that cable voip and pots is just a femtocell away from being a $10 add on to your dsl or hsi. From the start of fios 10% have come from dsl. | |
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@comcast.net
| for $40 stupid you get local and long distance with 12 feature and voice mail. of course it was more then you att service. you get local with one feature. with local service with comcast for 27.95 local service 12 feature and 5 cent long distanece. how do you like that. | |
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Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| said by BF69 :I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. Vonage, Packet 8 are MUCH cheaper if you want VoIP. $40 for VoIP form Comcast. Hell I can get a POTS line with caller ID from at&t for $27 total with ALL taxes and fees INCLUDED. For $5 more I can get 5 cents a minute long distance which I never use anyways. I took off long distance and it dropped my CDV bill by about 15-20 bucks. But again, I don't need LD either. | |
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Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Comcast VoIP more expensive than POTS said by Cheese :said by BF69 :I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. Vonage, Packet 8 are MUCH cheaper if you want VoIP. $40 for VoIP form Comcast. Hell I can get a POTS line with caller ID from at&t for $27 total with ALL taxes and fees INCLUDED. For $5 more I can get 5 cents a minute long distance which I never use anyways. I took off long distance and it dropped my CDV bill by about 15-20 bucks. But again, I don't need LD either. $40 - $15 = $25. Not bad! 
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Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: Comcast VoIP more expensive than POTS said by dadkins :said by Cheese :said by BF69 :I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. Vonage, Packet 8 are MUCH cheaper if you want VoIP. $40 for VoIP form Comcast. Hell I can get a POTS line with caller ID from at&t for $27 total with ALL taxes and fees INCLUDED. For $5 more I can get 5 cents a minute long distance which I never use anyways. I took off long distance and it dropped my CDV bill by about 15-20 bucks. But again, I don't need LD either. $40 - $15 = $25. Not bad! Nope  | |
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Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
·Comcast
| I have AT&T. My phone line costs $32 per month for caller ID. Taxes and extra fees add a bit over $12 per month to my cost. It is $44 per month for basic service with caller-id for me from AT&T. Long distance is 12 cents per minute. Unlimited long distance would add a bit over $10 a month to my bill.
Comcast digital voice costs $45 per month, plus local state taxes. It includes all the features my current AT&T phone has, plus a few more, and unlimited long distance.
I have no use for Comcast Cable TV, but do need Comcast HSI. If I bundle HSI with CDV, Comcast reduces my bill by $15. Effectively for me, my Comcast CDV is an extra $30 a month vs. AT&T at $44 a month.
POTS is nicer, but VOIP is livable.
Comcast digital voice is available to new subscribers for $20 a month over the first year. Effective cost for me is $5 a month for a year.
Which would you pick?
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| said by BF69 :I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. Vonage, Packet 8 are MUCH cheaper if you want VoIP. $40 for VoIP form Comcast. Hell I can get a POTS line with caller ID from at&t for $27 total with ALL taxes and fees INCLUDED. For $5 more I can get 5 cents a minute long distance which I never use anyways. yep and that same line with comcast is called local with more for 24.95 per month. that includes 5 cents a minute long distance so you would save that 5 dollars a month!! also has voice mail, caller id, 3 way, call forwarding and every other other feature !! you should switch now and save a bunch of money every month
The 40 dollar VOIP is UNLIMITED long distance plus all the other features included. all the things that are an extra charge with a pots line.
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| Re: Comcast VoIP more expensive than POTS said by icanexplain :said by BF69 :I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. Vonage, Packet 8 are MUCH cheaper if you want VoIP. $40 for VoIP form Comcast. Hell I can get a POTS line with caller ID from at&t for $27 total with ALL taxes and fees INCLUDED. For $5 more I can get 5 cents a minute long distance which I never use anyways. yep and that same line with comcast is called local with more for 24.95 per month. that includes 5 cents a minute long distance so you would save that 5 dollars a month!! also has voice mail, caller id, 3 way, call forwarding and every other other feature !! you should switch now and save a bunch of money every month The 40 dollar VOIP is UNLIMITED long distance plus all the other features included. all the things that are an extra charge with a pots line. my mistake local with more does not include voice mail. everything else though | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: Comcast VoIP more expensive than POTS said by morbo :said by BF69 :I can't explain why people are giving up POTS for Comcast VoIP. here, i'll explain it for you: PEOPLE ARE UNINFORMED AND THEREFORE MAKE POOR DECISIONS. And you are saying switching to CDV is a poor decision? It's crystal clear, cost less, you get more included for the same price then you will with a telco, but yes, it's a poor decision  | |
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join:2006-09-29
Hamden, CT
clubs:
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| AT&T not as fast, but a better deal. AT&T internet speeds are not as high as Comcast, but when you factor in the price of U-Verse with 6/1.0 internet and POTS home phone it is way cheaper than Comcast. And to a lot of people having to wait an extra couple of minutes for a large download is no problem if it saves $30 a month. At least that is the way I look at it. | |
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join:2002-04-13
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| Re: AT&T not as fast, but a better deal. A fairly good percentage of the public agrees with you. Beyond the ability to watch streaming video, internet speeds aren't something their lives revolve around. Truth be told, their computers aren't something their lives revolve around either.
They own computers, but it's just another tool they use during the course of their day. And they somehow manage to lead full, productive lives in spite of that. Although many of the regulars here posting from their mom's basement 24/7 would disagree.
I experienced an epiphany when BellSouth introduced DSL Lite 256/128. I thought it was silly. But consumers that vote with real dollars signed up in droves for the the service. Their votes count. My opinion was just that, an opinion, everybody has one... | |
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Is decent HD service too much to ask for
Premium
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
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| AT&T's set top software is far better The guide interface on AT&T's set top software is much better than Comcast's 1990's I-Guide and 1980's SARA (in SA Markets).
Not only ascetically with graphics, transitions, speed, etc.. but in feature set. Multi Room DVR, Web based DVR programming, interactive TV where you can look up phone numbers, directions and maps, interactive games, PIP, call records and more all in a much smaller compact box than the huge Motorola ones in the majority of Comcast markets.
I would get AT&T U-Verse for TV service if it was available in my area, not only because the better channel selection for the price but for the user interface, additional features and better hardware. Sure the glitz and glam of an animated updated interface is not important to everyone, but it's the icing on the cake that shows the provider actually cares about the front end user experience.
This guy is pretty funny, but it shows you some of the features:
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjLt5oqVAEc
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeb3qc48-ms
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=an2bEJVgL9s
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjuU1ncoz2w
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All that, or this:
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| Music Channels Has AT&T's music channels gotten any better? That's one thing Comcast has over them. MusicChoice is way better than AT&T's music channels (or so I hear).
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Premium,MVM
join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
clubs: | Re: Music Channels AT&T used to use MC, but switched to URGE a couple of months ago. | |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Interesting.... Comcast Rick says that the telco's are dying, yet his idol says that AT&T is their biggest threat.... | |
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miball
join:2005-08-17
Seattle, WA | Ads Anyone notice that Comcast is now showing ads on the bottom of the guide screen now? | |
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cypherstream
Is decent HD service too much to ask for
Premium
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| Re: Ads said by miball :Anyone notice that Comcast is now showing ads on the bottom of the guide screen now? They've been doing that since late 2006 or early 2007 in my area. | |
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whyamihere
join:2008-10-01
Tyler, TX
| Comcast Internet Do you have to be a Comcast ,TV cable customer to get their Internet service? If so, is that pretty much same across the board for all cable internet providers?
Right now I pay $25 for AT&T direct DSL 1.5 Mbps, or could get 3.0 service for $30. | |
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Premium
join:2000-09-11
Chicago, IL | Re: Comcast Internet Hmm, I pay $35/month, no tax, no contract for their elite package 6MBs via dry loop.
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
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October 30th, @10:51AM
| DirecTV is also a threat on the video side as well For 1 thing att will have bundles with them next year.
They have has lower box rent fees.
They have bigger dvr's with a working E-sata port
Online dvr scheduler
They have network pc play back on shows on the dvr.
Lower prices with lower price VOD / PPV.
NFL network in the basic level.
Higher HD quality.
More HD channels.
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