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join:2006-08-11
Paron, AR | At this rate... At this rate their technology will be obsolete and need to be upgraded by the time "they cover all the areas they have projected to"... | |
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 | xenophon
join:2007-09-17
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
1 edit | Re: At this rate... Obsoleted by what? LTE? They are both essentially the same tech. If WiMAX is obsolete, so is LTE.
Difference is, LTE is controlled by the telcom industry (3GGP) and not as open as WiMAX. WiMAX is controlled by IEEE, which the consumer electronics industry is already tied into with WiFi.
There's a much greater chance we'll see all kinds of consumer electronics devices with WiFi/WiMAX combo chipsets than with LTE.
Clearwire also has about 100mhz spectrum in most markets, enough to supply a lot of bandwidth to many users at once. ATT/Verizon only have about 25mhz spectrum in 700mhz range for LTE if I recall. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: At this rate... said by xenophon  :Difference is, LTE is controlled by the telcom industry (3GGP) and not as open as WiMAX. WiMAX is controlled by IEEE, which the consumer electronics industry is already tied into with WiFi. Name me 2 countries with 2 carriers that use the same frequency band and the carriers allow you to activate each other's wimax cards. Wimax cards are locked by frequency to a particular country and a particular carrier. | |
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join:2007-09-17
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
1 edit | Re: At this rate... Few WiMAX devices cover 2-3 major frequency bands, but could work on other carriers and in differing countries. But true, if a device only has a certain band, it may only work with one carrier. As WiMAX matures, it does need to have devices that cover all major bands.
I see your point. It depends on how limited the device is but is not an inherent limitation of WiMAX itself.
It took a while for multiband cellphones to appear. No different with WiMAX devices. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: At this rate... said by xenophon :I see your point. It depends on how limited the device is but is not an inherent limitation of WiMAX itself. It took a while for multiband cellphones to appear. No different with WiMAX devices. It is an inherent limitation of WiMAX. The standard doesn't define any frequencies unlike GSM/LTE in which all bands that can be used are defined by a central body. Also each WiMAX provider decides to recycle some different band, its not that there are 2 competing WiMAX providers in the same band like with 800 mhz cellular and PCS and its just a software switch for which adjacent channel to log into. | |
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screavic
Premium
join:2006-08-11
Paron, AR | I'm saying how long it is taking them to deploy, I'm not saying Wimax is obsolete right now... | |
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join:2007-09-17 | Re: At this rate... Agree with you there. Funding the rollout is Cleawire's only major barrier. | |
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@rr.com | ? amazing they are still in business | |
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| squison
join:2001-07-07
Decatur, GA | Re: What are you guys talking about? I think they're confusing Clearwire's 3g service with their Wimax product, which are very different. The story is about Wimax, which I've had a couple weeks now and I'm pretty happy with it. | |
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| | expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | Re: What are you guys talking about? squison....what kind of down/up speeds are you seeing in Atlanta? And have you tested around ATL airport at all?? Thanks... | |
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join:2001-07-07
Decatur, GA
 ·AT&T Southeast
1 edit | Re: What are you guys talking about? I'm getting 10mbit/500kbps. I have the home service/modem, so I've only used it at my house just east of Atlanta.
From what I hear though, the 10mbit is only going to be for the next month or two, then it'll drop down to the 6mbit I signed up for | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Still not available in SoCal. Population +17million (Metro L.A. area)
It would be a decent alternative to forced bundling by cable/telco, or having to pay ~$40/month for 1.5Mbps ADSL dry loop / $46/month cable HSI dry. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Still not available in SoCal. Cheapest internet in CO for me is $35 for 1/384 on cable. Otherwise I think it's $55 for cable and $40 for DSL. No Clear here though bandwidth is plentiful, just like in LA (okay, LA is better b\w wise but we have les competition here). | |
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| squison
join:2001-07-07
Decatur, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| They're probably going about it the right way -- go after mid-size cities without tons of competition (1 cable+1 dsl) before tackling the SoCal and NYC's of the world. I imagine bringing up a new service for a huge population like that has all sorts of challenges, so they might as well get the bugs worked out on those "tiny" cities like Atlanta and Vegas. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Still not available in SoCal. I suspect you have it right -
Vegas is relatively small - and has big $$$ business.
L.A. is phyiscally huge - and it would take quite some time to build out.
Many cities in the 100l to 500k wouldn't be too difficult to build quickly. If they hit places with poor cable/DSL deployment (i.e. Charter, Cox, mom/pop cable co or Qwest/CenturyLink) that want expensive service - typically slow rates... The could do well.
Unlike fixed - the most expensive piece is the spectrum licensing itself, and its already been purchased - they just have to use it.
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| xenophon
join:2007-09-17
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Re: Still frosts my pahooky... WiMAX needs critical mass return on investment before it can serve low density areas. Clearwire does serve some rural areas with pre-WiMAX and they'll eventually be upgraded to true mobile WiMAX. It sucks for rural people but it will eventually come in one form or another (LTE?). If the States want to help fund a rollout, I'm sure Clearewire would raise the priority. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
WiMAX will light up all the rural areas with broadband. | |
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skurfa
join:2006-03-10
Yorktown, VA | I Wish I wish I could get it where I am (Southeast Virginia) They are offering a special I'd go for in a New York minute, two devices for $55 a month and no price increase for life, much better deal than one 3g device at 60 bucks and a 5g cap huh? | |
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Chicago, DFW unofficially up as well Chicago, DFW and I think Philly have been up for several months but not officially released yet and not with solid metro coverage. If you register a device in Baltimore it will likely work in those upcoming cities already. Don't expect support though until official. | |
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| kurtaustin
join:2006-03-25
Chicago, IL | Re: Chicago, DFW unofficially up as well It seems that they found out about unoffical "upness" as in the last couple of months, the unofficial service has been shut down in Chicago. Anybody in Chicago area experience the same thing? | |
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| | LineNoise
join:2006-06-25
Bolingbrook, IL | Re: Chicago, DFW unofficially up as well Yes/No
At home, I am unable to connect, it can't even find the network. At work, it works great. | |
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| ry888
join:2009-05-28
Philadelphia, PA
| I live in Philly
My Xohm service was running well then now gone my device got the signal but always got disconnected right away after get connected.
It seems that Clear/Xohm is holding off all cities where they haven't soft launched their service yet.
I discontinue my Xohm service since I can't use it now, but I will wait the news until Clear is offering service in Philadelphia.
Hopefully with great pricing like Xohm offering $ 50 for home and mobile unlimited for life. | |
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wesm
tmb.org
Premium
join:1999-07-29
Lewisville, TX
| Re: Chicago, DFW unofficially up as well Yep, it's dead in Dallas and has been for almost two months. This is with a XOHM modem, so I wonder if a Clear modem would work. It's very likely they've pulled all the XOHM-compatible gear--since there was the rumor that existing XOHM markets (i.e. Baltimore) would require a hardware or firmware update--in the unlaunched markets.
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anjorusso
@speakeasy.net | they've changed their mind no more las vegas on the coverage area list...hahahaha
wow | |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
1 edit | upgrading So why hasn't Clearwire upgraded any of their Fixed WiMAX cities yet? They are coming apart. They are going to be like Nextel in 2-3 years after their bankruptcy filing. Urban areas only, sometimes highways between urban areas, and god help you if you want to roam, because you can't since its a propriatary technology (band+ country).
Clearwire is going to face competition when Revol/Cricket/MetroPCS come to town. I do wonder what the Portland market looks like with Cricket compared to Clear Mobile WiMAX. | |
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join:2007-09-17 | Re: upgrading I've read that Clearewire will begin carrying WiMAX/EVDO combo devices later this year, so technically will be able to roam on slower EVDO. Not ideal but does allow for a better transition as WiMAX rolls out. | |
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FatalSw1tch
join:2004-03-12
Las Vegas, NV
·Embarq
1 edit |  hrmmm
If that wasn't enough you then have the issue to deal with cities, permits, tower crews to get the service antennas up. It is a real pain in the ass for sure. So to see them making this kind of progress isn't surprising for me, in fact for a number of us employees that got kicked before the merger it seems a little slower. Likely due to the economic situations.
As for the previous fixed WiMax cities it is likely just a business move to not upgrade them as of yet. If I was Clearwire I would try to get as much out of my already deployed billions of dollars worth of hardware before rushing in to replace it all.
As for LTE I doubt it will have much competition on a scale of Clearwire for at least 2 maybe 3 years due to our economic conditions. | |
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ry888
join:2009-05-28
Philadelphia, PA
| Xohm in other cities....... I need some confirmation from any Xohm / Clear Wimax users
in any cities
that haven't officially launched service but can get the Wimax signal
How's the signal there in DC, Dallas, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia etc.
I used to get signal and could go online in Philadelphia using Xohm with Baltimore address to register my device
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all got disconnected.
Xohm won't let me connect to the network.
Tried to call them but no good explaination for this issue. | |
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