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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier you can afford the $200 activation fee.
I wouldn't pay $110 a month for 100 Mbps if you gave me free activation and no cap. | |
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join:2002-11-27
Toronto, ON
kudos:2 | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier Is "you can afford to pay it" the metric that we are now using to determine if something is priced fairly? | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier said by Bhruic:Is "you can afford to pay it" the metric that we are now using to determine if something is priced fairly?
Yes it is and always has been. Is $250K a "fair price" for a Lamborghini? It's a car. I takes you from point A to point B like a $15,000 Kia. | |
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join:2002-11-27
Toronto, ON
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier You've rather missed the point. If all the people paying $110/mth now could afford to pay $1000/mth, would that justify Charter in making the price increase? The issue isn't what people can afford to pay, it's what people are willing to pay. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier said by Bhruic:You've rather missed the point. If all the people paying $110/mth now could afford to pay $1000/mth, would that justify Charter in making the price increase? The issue isn't what people can afford to pay, it's what people are willing to pay.
No YOU miss the point.
A) Things are priced based on what people are willing to pay.
B) Charter doesn't have to justify it's costs. Not to you or anyone else. Charter could charge $1000 for installation. Guess what, no one would get that tier then and then Charter will adjust pricing accordingly. | |
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join:2002-11-27
Toronto, ON
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier You really need to work on reading better, because when I say "it's what people are willing to pay", you can't really come back with "No, it's what people are willing to pay!". Well, I guess you can, but you look silly.
Similarily, I wasn't asking them to justify their costs. I was refuting your point that this is a perfectly acceptable charge for no other reason than the fact that people can afford to pay it. Being able to afford to pay something doesn't automatically mean that it's an acceptable charge. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Well, kind of if after you buy the 250K Lamborghini it costs you $100K/month to maintain it. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier So someone paying $1320 a year for 100 Mbps internet can surely afford a ONE TIME $200 fee. | |
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| Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier You're assuming that everyone is getting the service at the standard rate. I'm currently getting 100M for $60/mo as part of my bundle. When the promotion ends I'll surely go back to 30 instead of paying nearly double just to keep this package.
This way they'll be able to charge the $200 "activation fee" to discourage people like me from taking advantage of great pricing in the future. Funny thing is Charter called me and offered me this spectacular deal, which I verified here on the direct forum before proceeding back in March. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier said by viper3431:You're assuming that everyone is getting the service at the standard rate. I'm currently getting 100M for $60/mo as part of my bundle. When the promotion ends I'll surely go back to 30 instead of paying nearly double just to keep this package.
This way they'll be able to charge the $200 "activation fee" to discourage people like me from taking advantage of great pricing in the future. Funny thing is Charter called me and offered me this spectacular deal, which I verified here on the direct forum before proceeding back in March.
if you're getting it at a promo rate you already have it and thus won't be charged the $200. This is only going to affect NEW 100 Mbps customers and they won't have a promo rate. | |
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| Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier I understand that it only applies to NEW 100m activations. My point was that when they bring promotions back (and they will at some point) this will discourage customers from purchasing the higher rate tier. This is simply a move to slow uptake on this tier since it costs them much more to upgrade the network, split nodes etc. to support it. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | I agree they can afford it but usually the more "luxury" the item, the more free perks. I believe BMW offers lifetime free routine maintenance (whatever that means). It sure sounds better than paying $200 to install Charter's elite package.
If you ask me, the $200 install fee is to discourage folks from getting it because, perhaps, just perhaps, too many folks are signing up for it and they are having trouble supporting it. Either that or folks who get it bench the performance and when they don't get what they believe they deserve, Charter has to "tweak" their install (run a new drop, split the node) until the are satisfied. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier said by rradina:If you ask me, the $200 install fee is to discourage folks from getting it I though that's what the price increase from $88 to $110 was for.
perhaps, just perhaps, too many folks are signing up for it and they are having trouble supporting it. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: If you can afford the 100 Mbps tier thought that was how supply and demand worked
ether every one is getting it there for price goes up or they are just trying to keep keep people from getting it
its one or the other you cant have it both ways | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | If few sign up, then their statement doesn't make sense. There's not enough revenue made to fund those incremental investments. I really don't care if they charge an install fee but this smells a lot like a Billy Mays infomercial where if you buy one at $19.99, you get one free, just pay a separate $15.99 processing/postage/shipping/handling/whatever fee.
Ultra is a premium service which results in higher incremental network investments, equipment costs, and other operating expenses," the company tells me. "In an effort to maintain reasonable monthly recurring service fees, we have implemented a higher installation fee for Ultra customers."
This statement is especially full of hot air in an economy that loves to give stuff away but charge a monthly fee for the life of the product. The RIAA would just love to get rid of the concept of selling a song on any medium if they could figure out a way to charge you every time you play a song. | |
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join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | said by Bhruic:Is "you can afford to pay it" the metric that we are now using to determine if something is priced fairly?
just half of the supply and demand equation that sets prices in a capitalist market.
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Charter operates in a lot of 3rd-tier markets, i.e. places like St Louis. This often gives them an advantage because of the lack of competition. If you have to have 100 Mb service and they are the only ones around to provide it, they can count on whoever needs that level of service to come to them regardless of the NRC. It is a charge many business won't spend a lot of time thinking about. They will try to keep the MRC as low as possible and usually don't negotiate the NRC. So on the b2b segment, the NRC has been rising.
For the last 10 years, MRCs have been falling in b2b markets, not just in the US, but around the globe. Margins are very thin the on b2b side in most markets where there is more than one strong player. What i used to pay for a T1 I can now get an OC3 in many markets, but usually with a much higher NRC/Install cost. NRCs have been rising, and $200 - $500 for an install is not unusual. I guess if you want a level of service that is often consumed by businesses and enterprises, then you will probably have to pay the same NRC, or perhaps more since consumers usually can't negotiate a deal for themselves. | |
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou | IB4T$200AF Own my modem and promo on 100mbps....
Feel like I made it just in time! | |
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Feel like I made it just in time!
And this fee is how they will get you to stay on that 100mbps speed, even when your promo runs out and the price goes up.
When your promo runs out, either pay them the higher $110/mo and avoid the $200 fee OR drop to the 30mbps package, but when you wanna go back to the 100mbps package, cough up an additional $200.
I'm on a great promo now for the 100mbps package, but when it runs out, it's back to the 30mbps. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: IB4T$200AF said by Chuck_IV:said by DaSneaky1D:Own my modem and promo on 100mbps....
Feel like I made it just in time!
And this fee is how they will get you to stay on that 100mbps speed, even when your promo runs out and the price goes up. When your promo runs out, either pay them the higher $110/mo and avoid the $200 fee OR drop to the 30mbps package, but when you wanna go back to the 100mbps package, cough up an additional $200. I'm on a great promo now for the 100mbps package, but when it runs out, it's back to the 30mbps. There isn't a $200 activation fee on 30 Mbps. And if you're already on 100 meg and you dropped down to 30 Mbps there wouldn't be ANY activation fee at all. So please. | |
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| | | | | Re: IB4T$200AF said by BF69:said by Chuck_IV:said by DaSneaky1D:Own my modem and promo on 100mbps....
Feel like I made it just in time!
And this fee is how they will get you to stay on that 100mbps speed, even when your promo runs out and the price goes up. When your promo runs out, either pay them the higher $110/mo and avoid the $200 fee OR drop to the 30mbps package, but when you wanna go back to the 100mbps package, cough up an additional $200. I'm on a great promo now for the 100mbps package, but when it runs out, it's back to the 30mbps. There isn't a $200 activation fee on 30 Mbps. And if you're already on 100 meg and you dropped down to 30 Mbps there wouldn't be ANY activation fee at all. So please. Sigh... I know there is no fee to drop to the 30mbps tier.
The point is if you drop to the 30mbps and decide you wanna go back to the 100mbps, it will cost you $200. So you either STAY in the 100mbps tier now or pay them $200 later when you wanna go back. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: IB4T$200AF said by Chuck_IV:Sigh... I know there is no fee to drop to the 30mbps tier.
The point is if you drop to the 30mbps and decide you wanna go back to the 100mbps, it will cost you $200. So you either STAY in the 100mbps tier now or pay them $200 later when you wanna go back.
That's dumb. Why would one play musical speed tiers? And if that's what one does oh well. I'm supposed to feel bad for someone that does that? If 100 Mbps is so fricken awesome I guess it's worth the $200 fee. | |
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join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | "Premium Service" When I think of a "Premium Service" - I think of service that comes with some sort of SLA.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: "Premium Service" said by LightS:When I think of a "Premium Service" - I think of service that comes with some sort of SLA.
Nope..
SLA?
Also I wonder what you get for around $110 month for other ISPs? | |
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join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | Re: "Premium Service" I know that you know what a SLA is!
As far as your latter question, it really varies a lot. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: "Premium Service" said by LightS:I know that you know what a SLA is! Maybe you should get one, but isn't that what they push business accounts for?
As far as your latter question, it really varies a lot.
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join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX Reviews:
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| Re: "Premium Service" said by BF69:Maybe you should get one, but isn't that what they push business accounts for?
Yes, but I wouldn't consider any residential service a "premium service" mostly because of shoddy customer service, "up to" terminology and other small niches.
said by BF69:Well some example would be nice. Most ISP's websites ask for an actual address so I don't have access to their pricing.
It depends on the ISP & what's available & the service you inquire about. For example, a recent quote from Suddenlink informed me of $125/mbps for standard, and $155/mbps for MPLS. This is of course fiber, but still. It comes with an SLA lol. Suddenlink also offers 12/2 for $199.95, but it's cable & they don't provide an SLA for this | |
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| Re: Cheap said by limegrass69:Well, that's cheap compared to the $300 activation fee charged by Cablevision for a similar tier of service (Ultra)!
Comcast charges a $250 "install fee" (which even the techs don't seem to understand) for their 105 service, even if you already have their 50 meg service. The kicker, of course, is that they only charge this fee outside of the northeast market, where the 50 meg users were seamlessly upgraded to 105 for free and with no increase in their monthly bill.
Funny how that works. | |
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Rutledge is following what he helped implement at Cablevision prior to him leaving, but figures in Charter areas $200 is enough to slow demand for the tier. | |
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join:2004-02-04
South Beloit, IL | No problem I have no problem with the activation fee. If you can afford the monthly fee, the activation fee isn't an issue. The issue I have with this is the pathetic 5Mbps upload speed that accompanies it. It's a total joke. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: No problem I suspect within 6 months that won't be as much of an issue anymore. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: No problem How do you figure? | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: No problem Probably because Charter is going to start channel bonding on the upstream side to provide faster speeds. 5Mbps upstream smells like a single channel. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | As of December Charter is no longer obligated to provide analog TV. Once they switch to all digital they will have more bandwidth. Bandwidth they can use for upstreaming channel bonding. | |
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First line of my review when I ordered Charter. I can't see a date of when that was.
"I ordered the 256/128 package for $24.95 a month plus $3.95 modem rental."
I just can't believe some of these insane things Charter is pulling off!!
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join:2000-09-22
Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
·Charter
| modem fee New customers must use Charter modems, and there is a modem fee; its just included in the price. There are no promo prices for Internet only... in effect the prices have been raised to cover the modem cost by forcing customers into the 30 Mbps tier at full price. Charter is not giving anyone anything for free. Not that they should, but the CEO is not paying for the modems out of his personal bank account, the customer is. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: modem fee The flip side of this is that $50 per month is less than TWC charges off-promo for Standard service in many areas, and that's before TWC's modem rental charge. The 30/4 tier is actually a decent deal all told, comparing with TWC and Comcast. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by grayem:New customers must use Charter modems, and there is a modem fee; its just included in the price. No it's not. If so they REALLY lowered the price of internet. Old 30 Mbps pricing with modem rental was $65 now it's $50. So if the modem fee is "hidden" in the price then Charter lowered the internet pricing by 26%. | |
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join:2000-09-22
Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
·Charter
| Re: modem fee [rant]
We've had this stupid argument before, you refuse to acknowledge the concept of de-facto, I insist that my bill is going up significantly for the first time in years. Despite what Charter states is the list price you continue to say my bill is getting cheaper.
Lets examine the concept of de-facto:
I own a used car, and a new law is passed in my state suddenly ruling that I can only buy a new car. The price of this new car is reduced to twice the price of a used car and 1/3rd the sticker price of the regular new car price. In the end it would cost ME more money. In this case BF69 would say that I am saving money because I suddenly get to pay for a new car at a lower price, even though I would never buy a new car without this new law.
Starting in 3 months my bill will go up to 47.50 or so from 29.99 for 15Mbps (the used car) Or I can pay extra for the new higher speed which I could care less about. (30Mbps = the new car in my analogy).
This costs me more money and I will have to use a modem from charter even though I already bought one that works great. (I am out more money here)
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Every promo in the past was extendable or renewable or whatever and therefore the defacto price was never full price. Many businesses do this and say the regular price is higher than the sale price, but never sell the item at full price. Its a gimick and here is an example: Harbor Freight has had a sale on large tool boxes since they began selling them. The "regular" price is $200+ more than the perpetual sale price.
That's how the concept of de-facto works, and that is something you are welcome to ignore. Keep waiving the "I love Charter" flag and I will keep bitching about the new minimum speed. I am especially sad that the elimination of the 3Mbps tier is gone and how it disenfranchises low income residents that are being further pushed away in the digital divide.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: modem fee said by grayem:[rant]
We've had this stupid argument before, you refuse to acknowledge the concept of de-facto,
You refuse to accept FACTS. Compare apples to apples. Old pricing vs new. The modem fee is NOT included in the price because there is no fee. If you insist it is then Charter LOWERED 30 meg by 26%. either way it's saving customers money. They are either not paying a modem fee and getting slightly reduced internet cost or they are still paying the modem fee and getting a HUGE reduction in internet costs.
I don't why you and people like you insist that promo pricing should be perpetual or you are somehow getting fucked over when the very definition of PROMO indicates TEMPORARY pricing. | |
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Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Netflix need to team up to provide 1Gb symmetrical service nationwide and render the TV cable companies to irrelevance. | |
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join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC | Re: I'd pay the activation fee said by Telco:100% agree. It's the only way anyone can break this cable stronghold on America.
If they tried, you can bet that the cable companies would team up to lobby for (and probably get) legislation in many states preventing MS/Google/etc from going in to the ISP business, that has been their MO everywhere so far.
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| too much.. There is no justification for a plain old docsis 3 installation at any speed it supports currently (upwards of 300mbits down). What might be worth paying more for is a symmetric 100+ megabit tier with QOS and a conditioned line. AFAIK, NO cable company using docsis technology offers symmetric tiers.. | |
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join:2007-04-20
Bay City, MI | Uh no. $200 just to provision a damn modem? No way. That's nuts. It isn't like Comcasts new service that needs to run fiber. Its simply someone clicking something on a computer screen. | |
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| | totaly false info - Biased - I am a charter retailer in California and can tell you there price is $39/Mo. for 30 MBPS - gives you - and they GIVE YOU A FREE MODEM - a fact left out .
Is DSL reports getting a fee to report false info? Time Warner involved ?
Shame.... | |
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join:2005-04-22
Rockaway Park, NY | Does that mean instant service problem resolution? For that kind of money I would expect same day plant tech team resolution on stand by if there is a problem. | |
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join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
kudos:6
·Comcast
| Well, it is a premium plan - vote with your wallet Nobody is forcing anyone to get the 100Mbps tier. It is a premium tier for those who really want it.
I fully understand folks who have concerns that there should be affordable Internet access (which is an endlessly debatable term - at one time, I thought having a 1.5 Mbps dsl line at $34.99 a month was a great deal), so that this is widely available to most everybody. Broadband access may not exactly be a "right", but I am comfortable that it has reached the level of being a basic "utility" for most folks, and access should be reasonably available and affordable for a base rate of performance.
I see no rationale that Charter, or any other ISP has got to offer any "justification" for their pricing of higher-level tiers other than whatever they feel the market place will sustain.
Although this statement will not be correct in perpetuity, as of right now, nobody "needs" 100 Mbps service.
Don't like the price? Vote with your wallet and don't get it. It is pretty safe to say that Charter needs to hit a certain threshold of customers on their 100 Mbps tier for it to be profitable - let the market place speak.
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