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Charter Eliminating PowerBoost?
Several Users No Longer Get Extra Speed
by Karl Bode Monday 02-Jul-2012 tags: business · alternatives · bandwidth · cable · Charter
There appears to be a lot of changes over at Charter Communications lately, the most recent being the company's decision to stop supporting user-purchased modems entirely. Discussion in our Charter forums also appears to indicate the company is now eliminating Powerboost, a technology used by most cable operators to significantly increase a connection speed during the early parts of a large download (it's handy in providing faster speed test results). A growing number of users say they no longer get the extra kick from Powerboost, and Charter appears to have removed most references to the technology from their website (though it still exists in their FAQ). We've dropped a line to Charter inquiring what the plan is and will post any updates we receive.

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tiger72
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I've still got it

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just taken now
in Saint Louis

Well, at least a bit.
I'm on the 30mbps service, and got a short burst to 60mbps and then a slow drop down to around 34mbps.

None of the "slowly trickling up" that some are reporting.

jax0rhax0r

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Re: I've still got it

i still have it too, and the test results were done over remote desktop so i could probably have better results if i was at my computer doing the test

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morbo
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Why remove this feature?

My understanding is that this feature benefits Charter more than end users. Why would they remove it?

DaSneaky1D
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Re: Why remove this feature?

I could have simply been a cost savings matter, since the technology was patented from Comcast.

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Re: Why remove this feature?

I didn't realize that.

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said by DaSneaky1D:

I could have simply been a cost savings matter, since the technology was patented from Comcast.

How can Comcast patent or get paid for the ability to set burst rate in modem configs, which I assume is a function of DOCSIS? Is there more going on in the background?
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Jerm

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Re: Why remove this feature?

Its a TRADEMARK thing. Powerboost = Comcast. I suppose Charter could just call it "SpeedBoost" and maybe be okay?

Personally I don't think this is anything more than a config snafu or something that has been propagated quite a bit. My Charter is just fine for PB last I checked...

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said by morbo:

My understanding is that this feature benefits Charter more than end users. Why would they remove it?

puts off having to upgrade their network.

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Re: Why remove this feature?

said by dvd536:

said by morbo:

My understanding is that this feature benefits Charter more than end users. Why would they remove it?

puts off having to upgrade their network.

The have upgraded their network. That's why their entire footprint has docsis 3.0 capability. Quit hatin for the sake of hatin.

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How do ya' figure ?
25139889

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because they must pay Comcast a licensing fee. Comcast owns this technology.

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Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

TWC customers with DOCSIS 3 modems don't get Powerboost.

Maybe Comcast wants too big of a license fee.
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Re: Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

said by djrobx:

TWC customers with DOCSIS 3 modems don't get Powerboost.

Maybe Comcast wants too big of a license fee.

again, how can this comcast patent be legal? you cannot patent something like this, i don't believe it would hold up in the courts, since its a common feature, and is a feature in a set of standards. This shows how broken the USPTO is.
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Re: Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

I agree; it completely makes sense to trademark the name, but I doubt Comcast developed the technology.
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Re: Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

The same as Apple claims they developed Siri?
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because they designed the technology to speed up and then slow down. And how can TIVO get some of the ones they developed.

Also just an FYI- the USPTO does NOT have access to the Internet. They only grant based upon what is already in their system. If the idea is not in their system its granted to the new application. And the same goes with someone in Texas that patent the idea of a vending machine. Finally after 2 years of fighting with them and the courts and other companies- I was able to have it removed.
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Re: Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

The tech wasnt designed by them, it was just an idea put fourth, and while some things should be patentable, a bursting bandwidth patent is/should be invalid, because its nothing new, it simply is using something that already existed.
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Re: Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

It is true somethings should not be. But Comcast also owns the trademarks o Powerboost.

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Because dynamic rate-limiting via SNMP is still a novel idea, and it didn't exist before Comcast developed it. Yes, it is implemented in the CMTS, but it was created by Comcast in concert with the CMTS vendors. If the other cable companies didn't think it was worthwhile, they probably wouldn't license it from Comcast.
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Re: Seems to be on its way out for Time Warner Cable as well

said by Cabal:

Because dynamic rate-limiting via SNMP is still a novel idea, and it didn't exist before Comcast developed it.

Not much to develop there, managed Ethernet switches have had features like CIR-CBS that allows setting different rate limits for small traffic bursts and a lower rate for continuous use. This principle is over 20 years old and it is part of the DOCSIS spec.

Modifying CIR/CBS settings over SNMP does not make CIR/CBS any "noveltier" than it was 20 years ago and should have failed the patentability test for obviousness since remotely accessing equipment configuration is what SNMP was created for.

Way too many stupid/obvious patents out there.
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said by Chubbysumo:

said by djrobx:

TWC customers with DOCSIS 3 modems don't get Powerboost.

Maybe Comcast wants too big of a license fee.

again, how can this comcast patent be legal? you cannot patent something like this, i don't believe it would hold up in the courts, since its a common feature, and is a feature in a set of standards. This shows how broken the USPTO is.

you can patent anything i agree this should not be patentable but it is and has been patented

»yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/···Blocking

heck google patented the idea of country specific content blocking in search results

or how about this patent about making work mettings shorter 40 minute meetings instead of an hour from ibm

»appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Par···90119148

anything can be patented i mean anything and any patent can be upheld if you have the right amount of money heck just by typing lol on keybord ive steped on top of ibms patent and could be sued right now if they chose to

»patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars···,640,233

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eolas

then theres eolas and heck i could list so many patents that are silly and many that have been upheld that i doubt id be alive long enough to finish this post
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Who cares?

What it boosted your speed for a mere 3-5 seconds? That file which would normally take 2minutes might take 3 seconds longer.
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Re: Who cares?

The boost was usually for longer than that... the powerboost benefits p2p a lot more, as the files are split into chunks and often each chunk registers as a different download, so you'd get dozens of powerboosts on a single file.
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Re: Who cares?

sorry dont torrent.
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Re: Who cares?

Large game patches work that way as well.
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Except for the fact that that's not true... PowerBoost doesn't boost each individual TCP/UDP connection... It is a PER-SESSION boost not PER-CONNECTION.
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Re: Who cares?

said by WhyMe420:

Except for the fact that that's not true... PowerBoost doesn't boost each individual TCP/UDP connection... It is a PER-SESSION boost not PER-CONNECTION.

I haven't been on Charter in years, but my usenet downloads always benefited from it. My torrents to a lesser degree as well. If I remember correctly, GetRight especially took advantage of it because it allowed multiple sources for the same file.
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said by WhyMe420:

Except for the fact that that's not true... PowerBoost doesn't boost each individual TCP/UDP connection... It is a PER-SESSION boost not PER-CONNECTION.

WRONG. It is definitely per-connection.
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Re: Who cares?

No it's not. The burst feature provides no benefit on consistent transfers of any kind.
RawHeadRex

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It was a gimmick anyway

I always looked at powerboost as a gimmick, with no real benefit. Matter of fact, as broadband speeds became faster, I soon forgot about powerboost. However, powerboost is good for speed tests when you are trying to get that little extra boost of broadband to brag about.

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Re: It was a gimmick anyway

said by RawHeadRex:

I always looked at powerboost as a gimmick, with no real benefit. Matter of fact, as broadband speeds became faster, I soon forgot about powerboost. However, powerboost is good for speed tests when you are trying to get that little extra boost of broadband to brag about.

EXACTLY what I always thought also. Back when it was first being used by Charter, I always thought that if you could me that speed for a few seconds, give it to me all the time. One little quick blast like that doesn't do squat! If your life is that dependent on that 2 seconds you might save, you need more help than Powerboost!

As far as speed tests, without powerboost, you now know EXACLTY what speed you're downloading at!
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No more fake e-penis.

All PowerBoost was good for (for the most part) was artificially inflating speed tests. If I were on cable, I personally would be glad that they're getting rid of that gimmick, as I like to know what I'm REALLY getting, not what I'm getting for only the first 12MB of a download. I mean seriously, those who say PowerBoost is great, who gives a crap about how fast the first 12MB is? 16Mbps cable Internet can download 12MB in 6 seconds. So what if the first 12MB is 3 seconds instead of 6? Nobody cares about tiny files. Let me know when these "awesome" PowerBoost speeds can actually make a difference! Say make a 1GB file take half as long to download (8.5 hours on 16Mb halved to 4.25 hours!) 12MB? Give me a break!

Also, let me know when Charter drops their caps! That's far more important than PowerBoost whether it's enabled or disabled...
rradina

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Seems to be gone...

I just ran several speed tests. I have the Charter 15/3 plan in St. Louis. I have a DOCSIS 2.0 modem and in the past, tests would start by peaking at over 30Mbps for the first few seconds and it would slow to around just above 20Mbps before the end of the test.

Tonight, repeated tests never reached 15Mbps, let alone 20 or 30.
LaRRY_PEpPeR

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Re: Seems to be gone...

I've still been seeing 100-120Mbps bursts here from CacheFly's 10MB test file... Just like always. Little lower in the evening now, but still 75-80+. (This is on 15Mb Express.)

Speedtest.net results seem the same as usual as well.
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Re: Seems to be gone...

I still have it too. It was my bad. I have a G and an N network in the house and my laptop was connecting to the G instead of the N. One of my kids messed with it and ...
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?

This is nolonger needed, just increase the speed tiers altogether!
15, 50, 100+ megabit speed tiers are the industry norms now.. either bring it or go home!

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