  en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| GSM was cracked A long time ago... its TDMA based. What does make things difficult are things such as frequency hopping, DTX and handoffs. I know that in my area, I have MANY handoffs between sites (at least once/minute). As an extra bonus, 3G (UMTS/WCDMA) is a lot more similar to CDMA which Verizon, Sprint, etc. use, and more difficult to 'hack'. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
|  |   iLive4Apple Hybrid power Premium join:2006-07-13 Hoover, AL | Re: GSM was cracked The encyption on GSM is weak. iDEN which is used by Nextel is encrypted better and much more secure. 3G uses a better encryption pattern though. | |
|  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: GSM was cracked I would tend to agree. That end of GSM is quite old. At least 3G has a CDMA based interface which is much more difficult to hack. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   N3OGH They both suck, we're so screwed Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs
·Verizon Online DSL
| Anyone who operates under the illusion of an expectation of privacy over any digital or analog common carrier network is walking through life with rose colored glasses on.
Cell phone? Assume someone is listening...
Land line? Assume someone is listening...
VoIP? Assume someone is listening......
Internet? Assume you're being tracked.....
If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD.
Remember, 3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead.... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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|  |  |  DJMADfx
join:2002-02-27 Bellmore, NY | Re: GSM was cracked Just don't plan the meet up via cell phone, land line, VoIP, or the internet.  | |
|  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Very true... privacy is mostly illusion these days. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  crapmac LIVE 105 - new - music - now.
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·Comcast
| yes, I have come to expect weird noises on my telephone line, internet connection problems ("unscheduled maintenance"), ususual GSM cell phone static ("the largest All-Digital network"? Ha! My ass it is!), and with anything else electronic, I assume that it is being publicized on the internet as I speak/type.
To me, nothing is "Private", so don't tell anyone anything you don't want the entire country to know, unless it's face-to-face. At first it was creepy to think that someone is listening in on your phone calls, but now when i hear that little clickey noise, I invite them to join the conversation! 
the world (or, at least the U.S. of A) is a messed up place, sometimes.  -- Out with the old, in with the Antique!  *********** "Hey, have you heard the song... 'Bomb Iran?' *bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Ir...* n - never mind..." - John McCain | |
|  |  |  |  jester121
join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: GSM was cracked You may not be paranoid, but it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you. | |
|  |  |  |  |  crapmac LIVE 105 - new - music - now.
join:2007-05-03 United State
·Comcast
| Re: GSM was cracked said by jester121 :You may not be paranoid, but it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you. oh I'm not saying that I'm not paranoid - I've just given up with the whole "privacy" thing.
various government agencies have passsed so many laws that are an invasion of privacy (the wiretapping "protect america" or whatever - law, for example), that I just now expect that someone is listening to my phone call, and that I probably shouldn't talk about my illegal drug trafficking from Venezuela (just kiddin'!) over the land line or cell phone (prepaid or otherwise).
remember that story about comcast implementing "face recognition technology" into your cable boxes so that they can "open your DVR recordings list to your preferred list of shows". Total BS. It's gotten so rediculous that I don't expect privacy anymore, see?
link to story: »Your Comcast DVR Is Watching You -- Out with the old, in with the Antique!  *********** "Hey, have you heard the song... 'Bomb Iran?' *bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Ir...* n - never mind..." - John McCain | |
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·Optimum Voice
| said by N3OGH :Anyone who operates under the illusion of an expectation of privacy over any digital or analog common carrier network is walking through life with rose colored glasses on. Cell phone? Assume someone is listening... Land line? Assume someone is listening... VoIP? Assume someone is listening...... Internet? Assume you're being tracked..... If I want a private conversation with someone, I meet them in person someplace secret. If I want to keep something a secret, I keep it to myself. PERIOD. Remember, 3 can keep a secret if 2 are dead.... So true! In the military we had a label on all "field" phones: "ATTENTION! THE ENEMY IS LISTENING!" | |
|  |  |  ricep5 Premium join:2000-08-07 Jacksonville, FL | Everyone who fears that someone is listening also assumes that what they talk about is interesting or desirable.
In most cases they are neither, therefore most people have nothing to worry about. | |
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| Re: GSM was cracked ricep5,
second point - absolutely true. the first one, though, i have to disagree.
even if i'm having the most boring conversation on earth with someone over the telephone, i should still take note if something unusual happens, right?
i'm basing my opinion off of odd experiences, not frivilous daydreaming, and if I act like an arrogant fool and don't realize that some things are no longer private, then some day, if I'm having a conversation that needs to remain private, and I don't take that into note, then my arrogance might just come back and bite me in the ass.
Security is living in Antartica  -- Out with the old, in with the Antique!  *********** "Hey, have you heard the song... 'Bomb Iran?' *bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Ir...* n - never mind..." - John McCain | |
|  |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
| the most secure data is that which can only be accessed in person and has no network or outside connection and is in a vault with a smaller AC vent then the one in Mission Impossible. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
|   Telco Tech
@verizon.net
| More Yellow Journalism As usual, the press is trying to manufacture news.
Landlines have always been tappable to some degree. VOIP lines are no different.
Primarily, the author is discussing access to meta-data. As if billing data was never available to illegitimate parties? *This* is "easily hacking into your call"?
This "reporter" must yet believe that "Bushco" tapped millions of phone lines (without a court order!), never bothering to calculate how much manpower would be required for such a fantasy. | |
|  |  IndyDoug
join:2003-10-26 Indianapolis, IN | Re: More Yellow Journalism Bushco had the assistance of the telcom companies along with the US PATRIOT ACT to spy on citizens. It's not the millions of phone lines that he wanted to tap into but the random innocent citizen whose civil liberties are being undermined. | |
|  |  |   Skeedatl To Provoke and Annoy Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA | Re: More Yellow Journalism Here we go again... | |
|  |  |   Warrant Me This
@rr.com
| said by IndyDoug :Bushco had the assistance of the telcom companies along with the US PATRIOT ACT to spy on citizens. It's not the millions of phone lines that he wanted to tap into but the random innocent citizen whose civil liberties are being undermined. Could you, would you, actually document more than one or two "random citizens" whose civil liberties were undermined, and how the US PATRIOT ACT actually facilitated this?
I thought not.
(And for the record, I HAVE been an unknowing party to conversations tapped by the feds in times past. It didn't faze me then. It wouldn't bother me now. Computer-aided speech-to-text scanning or not, my telephone calls would put anyone to sleep. Not that I have much faith in government. I just don't see any reason to be any more paranoid about W versus the Clintons, or any other predecessors.) | |
|  |   JamesB7
@sbcglobal.net | Not much manpower. Text to speech, and use call records to build graphs of which people are linked. That's what I'd do if I were an evil President. It doesn't take a genius and it doesn't take manpower. It takes computers. | |
|  ccb056
join:2002-04-05 West Lafayette, IN | I want to play too Where can I get some of this equipment? | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  compuwizz
join:2001-03-05 Blacksburg, VA
| Voice is in the clear... Most all voice calls have been in the clear and easily tapable for ages. LD calls travel over channelized T1s or T3s between COs. Each CO probably has at least 1 if not more T1 test sets. They plug up to the T1 port and can scroll through each channel without being detected. So since a cell phone, VoIP or landline call will go through a switch at some point, eavesdropping is going to happen.
The only time Voice could be secure is if you own the network it is on and the person you're calling is also on the same network. Then I'd throw in some sort of VPN to encrypt it along the way.
I believe there is a type of secure ISDN that encrypts the audio, but I haven't seen it in use. | |
|  crapmac LIVE 105 - new - music - now.
join:2007-05-03 United State | Encryption for ISDN phone calls? I bet the encryption keys are sent to the NSA for "security reasons"!  | |
|   white
@verizon.net
| house white house: lost over 5 million emails over a 2 year period form March 2003 (what was going on then?) to October 2005.
congress: turn over all data containing emails
white house: they're erased, we don't have them.
congress: you don't have them?
white house: no
months go by.
white house it: we have backups white house: backups? white house it: yes, we have archived all information on disc, flash memory and hard drives.
congress: turn it over, now. white house: no
Hmm.... However, keep in mind... once information goes onto public airwaves, or semi private networks such as cell, internet, or other mediums, the potential for it to be compromised is there. However, some secrets are held so long, that time makes them nearly worthless by the time they're released (such is politics). | |
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join:2005-09-28 00000 | Re: house Out of the 5 Million missing emails 4,999,500 are spam.  | |
|  supertech315
join:2006-03-01 Perris, CA | Give that technology ( the $25 radio shack eq) to voip Co's so they can track e911 and there is no more excuses | |
|   CUBS_FAN Fu - Ku - Do - Me
join:2005-04-28 Chicago, IL | To make it worse Just when we hear about an influx of identity theft victims claims, we now hear even more issues about this cancer called "hackers". | |
|   Info on VoIP
@youtele.com
| No means is safe The functioning of wireless VoIP phones is similar to that of regular VoIP phones but Wireless VoIP phones combine VoIP technology and Wi-Fi (wLAN) systems. Users need to be in the range of the wireless node in order to make and receive calls. And when they are in the Wi-Fis reach, they are able to do a lot of the same calling functions enabled by regular desktop VoIP phones. When one is already equipped with a wireless local area network as well as VoIP phones, adding wireless VoIP phones can be a logical step.
Wireless VoIP phones are also known as VoWLAN or voice over wireless local network areas and Wi-Fi phones. The working of wireless VoIP phones involves a data network to which Wi-Fi equipment is connected. The network itself can either be independent, or connected to the Internet or the public phone system. The equipment enables high-speed wireless connection to unlimited access points.
Each access point has an antenna to catch the signal from the Wi-Fi equipment and broadcast it in a 300-foot radius or a hot spot. Within the radius all Wi-Fi enabled laptops, personal digital organizers and wireless phones can tune into the signal.
In wireless VoIP phones, the voice is converted into segments of data for transmission from the phone antenna to the Wi-Fi radio waves and then received by the data network. Here the data segments reverse the process to reach an extension or the traditional phone network. In other words, an extension can be carried around.
Although there is no argument about wireless VoIP phones being advantageous, they have their share of shortcomings as well. Fore one, they can not yet completely replace hard-wire VoIP phones mainly due to lack of reliability and the limited functions of wireless phones currently available in comparison to desktop phones.
However the biggest disadvantage in wireless VoIP phones is the limit on the number of simultaneous calls that can be made. The maximum number of calls in each wireless system cannot exceed five or ten. This seriously undermines its call handling capability in a large corporate environment.
Nevertheless, the dramatic reduction in operational costs has made it possible for wireless operators with high quality compressed VoIP to bring the ease and comfort of cordless calling to the VoIP world.
voip phone systems I guess using good quality hardware can do the trick.By this i mean good phone systems. Panasonic is making good phones i checked out some at »www,panateldirect.com and i guess you got to take some risks. isnt it? If you need so much of privacy, please speak in person!!!1 | |
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