  Duramax08Win8 sucksPremium
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San Antonio, TX | "Insurance" on internet?! You got to be kidding  | |
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kudos:1 | Re: "Insurance" on internet?! It's for your own "protection." You wouldn't want anything to happen to your precious Internet, do you?  | |
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kudos:3 | Speaking of insurance, what will happen when the inevitable open hotspot mooching and/or WEP hacking takes place? If a 25 GB/month customer suddenly begins downloading terabytes at a time, will their ISP put a hold on their line, or expect the customer to sell their house to make the payment? | |
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join:2002-12-29
Vancouver, BC | Re: "Insurance" on internet?! said by Thaler:Speaking of insurance, what will happen when the inevitable open hotspot mooching and/or WEP hacking takes place? If a 25 GB/month customer suddenly begins downloading terabytes at a time, will their ISP put a hold on their line, or expect the customer to sell their house to make the payment?
Expect the customer to sell their house to make the payment.
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| | | | Exactly, as Pfak said. Up to the subscriber to keep the "undesirables" out. The incumbents will nail you to the wall, and it's your problem. | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | Re: "Insurance" on internet?! Yes, but to what extent? I know open hotspots are a hard sell to defend. However, one can't say customers with WEP didn't attempt to lock their network down. True, tech savvy people keep up to date on the latest compromised WiFi encryption(s)...but what about the average consumer?
(edit) Nevermind. Looked at the article and it appears she was using WEP and still charged $1k+. Damn! | |
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Oshawa, ON | Re: "Insurance" on internet?! Bell ships all their customers wep modems...... | |
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join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | Re: "Insurance" on internet?! WEP's been a very flimsy boat lately. Well, it has been for a long time, but lately we've been seeing WEP-bypassing in the news at large. I think there are even tools out there today that make breaking WEP encryption about the same point-and-click difficulty as logging into Facebook. | |
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united state
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|  MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
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| Re: Vote Green Canada! said by Kommie:Canada you need some Anti-Corporotists's in your parliament!
haha no. Greens in Canada are hyper-leftists. They're effectively a 'dead' party here, even more so than the NDP. | |
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| | | | Re: Vote Green Canada! Except I don't think the Greens have even come out against UBB. Where are they on this issue? | |
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kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Vote Green Canada! said by sonicmerlin:Except I don't think the Greens have even come out against UBB. Where are they on this issue?
No idea to be honest. We had a forum poster in Canchat that was a running member for parliament under the green party tag, last I heard he went to the liberals. Greens in Canada are directionless, with a backwards policy against industrialization, and support of cost-prohibitive power generation. Sorry, we get screwed enough as it is, on everything else to be taking it on the chin all the time. | |
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join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Get primitive! Its the only way. Break out the pitch forks and torches and lynch the corporate bastards!
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| dynodbPremium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | Re: Get primitive! Its the only way. said by heat84:Break out the pitch forks and torches and lynch the corporate bastards!
Except it's not the "corporate bastards" who mandated the caps, it's the Canadian government.
This is exactly the sort of thing one should expect when the government is given broad powers to regulate ISPs. | |
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join:2001-03-22
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| Re: Get primitive! Its the only way. said by dynodb:said by heat84:Break out the pitch forks and torches and lynch the corporate bastards!
Except it's not the "corporate bastards" who mandated the caps, it's the Canadian government. This is exactly the sort of thing one should expect when the government is given broad powers to regulate ISPs. No, it's not. The CRTC is a regulatory authority, not government. They are charged with developing and implementing telecommunications policy. In this case, they responded to a request for UBB from the major providers. The government can review their decision, however.
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Except it's not the "corporate bastards" who mandated the caps, it's the Canadian government. This is exactly the sort of thing one should expect when the government is given broad powers to regulate ISPs. No, it's not. The CRTC is a regulatory authority, not government. They are charged with developing and implementing telecommunications policy. In this case, they responded to a request for UBB from the major providers. The government can review their decision, however. It's time for us to get Egyptian. | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Get primitive! Its the only way. LOL, the Egyptians are rioting because 70% of their people barely have enough to eat and the police spend more time abusing the populace than protecting it. They aren't rioting over Internet fees. And neither will Canadians. It is too inconsequential. When a majority of Canadians are sleeping in shacks and starving, then maybe you will see rioting in Toronto. But not before then. | |
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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join:2005-03-13
North York, ON | @DKS,
You make it seem as though the CRTC is unbiased and uninfluenced by the government... that's definitely not the case.
Most here might now know that the CRTC is stacked with ex-telecommunication executives. | |
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Get primitive! Its the only way. said by Brownbay:@DKS,
You make it seem as though the CRTC is unbiased and uninfluenced by the government... that's definitely not the case. It is not, conspiracy theories and ignorant comments by unknowing people aside. It operates at arms length from the government.
Most here might now know that the CRTC is stacked with ex-telecommunication executives.
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join:2005-03-13
North York, ON | Re: Get primitive! Its the only way. Right. Conflict of Interest laws...
That's why we're having UBB come into effect March 1st.
There should not be a single ex-telecommunications employee with a seat on that commission. If anything, it should be staffed with policy experts who then consult a 3rd party information sources to vet facts submitted by parties in a dispute. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Get primitive! Its the only way. said by Brownbay:There should not be a single ex-telecommunications employee with a seat on that commission. If anything, it should be staffed with policy experts who then consult a 3rd party information sources to vet facts submitted by parties in a dispute.
And where do you think you get telecommunications experts that have never worked for or contracted for a telecomm or cable company or a telecomm hardware manufacturer? If you can actually find a couple, chances are they really aren't experts, but mere poseurs, or lawyer policy experts which is even worse. | |
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| |  VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | said by dynodb:This is exactly the sort of thing one should expect when the government is given broad powers to regulate ISPs.
Yes, I am sure the Internet companies are OUTRAGED at this plan
The big, bad government is completely screwing the ISP's in Canada
The idea of AT&T, Verizon, and others have 100% ability to do whatever, whenever, however should scare everyone
Me and others wanting the government to put in regulations to help consumers is NOT wanting "complete government overhaul" or other laughable over-exaggerations that certain people cry about 24/7 all the while ignoring the actual regulations being offered | |
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Except it's not the "corporate bastards" who mandated the caps, it's the Canadian government. This is exactly the sort of thing one should expect when the government is given broad powers to regulate ISPs. If you eliminated the CRTC and all regulatory agencies, what would prevent Bell et al from doing this in the first place?
The government didn't "mandate caps". Why don't you learn something about the situation before spouting your rhetoric? | |
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by dynodb:said by heat84:Break out the pitch forks and torches and lynch the corporate bastards!
Except it's not the "corporate bastards" who mandated the caps, it's the Canadian government. And who do you think bought the government? yes! BELL!
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Tulsa, OK | said by dynodb:Except it's not the "corporate bastards" who mandated the caps, it's the Canadian government. And who do you think was pulling the strings there? Consumers? Ha, ya, right. Just like here, in the USA....
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Sandy, UT | Re: rioting breaks out in canada Wow, that speed/price/usage is really bad. What is this, 1999?
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| Unless things change at the 11th hour, that's what it will be. Oh, and don't forget the 13% Harmonized Sales tax on top.
Make certain your regulatory bodies don't stoop this low.
Oh, according to speedtest.net, the US has better speeds than we do, as well. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by nanaki333:rioting breaks out in canada
news at 10
Maybe if the gov't banned hockey; but over Internet prices; no way. | |
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| | | | Re: rioting breaks out in canada I don't think you understand the importance of the internet in many people's lives. It greatly affects their daily level of happiness by assisting their education, entertainment, and social needs. | |
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| | Maybe its time Canada has a revolution Really, in this day and age what is the difference between these low caps and overages and what Egypt is doing. This is just the pig of censorship with some lipstick slapped on. I think its time that Canadians march into there parliament and trough out there representatives. In a representative democracy the representatives are responsible for carrying out the will of its constituency. The Canadian government is doing the complete opposite. When your government starts to only be concerned about the share holders of is largest company's over the will and protection of the people. Its time to over-though said government. Government should fear its people and I think it is time for Canadians to put a little fear into its government. | |
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Then again, there's a reason why their dollar is still worthless compared to the US dollar.
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| | If you have a "login only" account it's most confusing Nothing has even been stated for the existing "login only" accounts. I suppose you just "fly by the seat of your pants" and find out when you get your amended bill. You could get a bill for millions or even billions of dollars and not even know it!! | |
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| | Insurance --It's not that Insurance is a bad name for it . The way it was explained to me it's more like extra bandwidth packages
You can buy 3 set of package at 40g each from your ISP for a max of 120g or you can buy only one , depending on your consumption
In Quebec the basic bandwidth limit is 60g in Ontario it's 25g
So Basic + insurance = you monthly cost
The limits were set by Bell | |
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 kingdome74Emotionally UnavailablePremium
join:2002-03-27
Syracuse, NY
kudos:2 | The Mafia Would Be Proud The main thing the mafia sold was "insurance" and "protection"... yeah, from themselves. How does this different from what the Canadian cable companies are doing? In a just world these providers would be jailed on racketeering charges. | |
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| | Help! Even if you live in America, help us sign the petition. The government has already come out and said that they're reviewing the changes, but we need to pressure them!
It's not just Canadian internet in danger here, American companies will see the billions to be made and try to implement the same thing. It's Bell's step towards subscription based internet where you pay for certain websites (see Net neutrality).
Let's stop it while we still can: www.stopthemeter.ca | |
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| Re: Help! AGREED!!
Think back about a year or so ago when one of your major players tried something with low caps, and I believe the FCC intervened, but I think there were some fingers slapped.
Since a lot of our telecommunication rules are quite similar, if this sticks, start looking for your "big boys" arm-twisting your regulatory body to create the crap we're getting into.
I forgot - businesses that move "product" over the internet should also start looking at the NAFTA agreements, as it does create a significantly less competitive means to get their product. Translation: makes the "shipping costs" outrageous. | |
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| | | | Because congestion is completely unrelated to data consumption. ISPs pay money for bandwidth according to 95% peak usage, which occurs during "prime time". And their bandwidth costs are a small fraction of the overall cost of maintaining the network. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | One good thing about this Once the US sees how much of a total clusterfuck this turns out to be you'll never get it here. | |
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join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
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| Re: One good thing about this said by BF69:Once the US sees how much of a total clusterfuck this turns out to be you'll never get it here.
You're joking, right? | |
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| |  P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 AlreadyPremium
join:2001-08-29
way way out
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| Re: One good thing about this said by hhawkman:said by BF69:Once the US sees how much of a total clusterfuck this turns out to be you'll never get it here.
You're joking, right? you must be kidding. most major isp also own major networks or cable.
this is a total move to kill internet bandwith to kill internet video
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by hhawkman:said by BF69:Once the US sees how much of a total clusterfuck this turns out to be you'll never get it here.
You're joking, right? No. Do you honestly think after all the shit is this going to cause that America ISPs will want that same shit matter how greedy they are? Think about it. Do cable/DSL ISPs have 5 GB caps and $10 per GB overages like mobile ISPs do? No why? Because customers wouldn't put up with that. Trust me if Charter and Comast and Time Warner could get away with 5 GB caps and $10 per GB overage fees they would. Time Warner couldn't even get away with a 40 GB cap and $2 per GB overages. Even with a 250 GB cap Comcast and Charter ahve gotten shit. | |
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LOL, thanks for the laugh. the ISPs here will ignore the clusterfuck and see all the money flowing in to the coffers. That is all this is, another way to charge more and drive customers to the ISPs own servers(think TWC VOD compare to Netflix). | |
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American ISP's would jump at the chance to get away with something like this. Making internet at home as expensive with huge overage fees, just like cell phones currently are. | |
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join:2001-08-29
way way out Reviews:
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| You knew this would happen if you dared to actually use your INTERNET AS ADVERTISED!!!!
can't have video munching the profit margins.
2gb for 25 dollars. thats about a 23 dollar mark up.
that is where they are going to make the most profit on the tiny teirs where old ladies only use 200mb a month
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Transporting 2gb is practically free. | |
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join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON | my solution... buy cable and dsl. loadbalance then with a dual-wan firewall like pfsense, zeroshell, etc. you get double the bandwidth and increased speed. best of all, redundancy.
i don't have cable tv or a regular phone line. if the internet goes down, it's time to bust out a news paper or something.
yeah it costs more, but then next time your ISP has an outage, if you wouldn't mind paying another $50 to be online right now it's worth it. | |
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | ... interesting... @TonyClement_MP
Tony Clement
#UBB: I will be reviewing CRTC decision forthwith with a view to protecting Canadians & promoting choice.
He called himself the Consumer Minister last year. Let's see if he has the balls to keep that up. | |
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: ... interesting... @PmoSoudas
Dimitri Soudas
We're very concerned about CRTC's decision on usage-based billing and it impact on consumers. PM has asked for a review of the decision.
9 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Favorite Retweet
This is huge. CFRB is reporting that the Harper government is pissed off over this. | |
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VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Not surprising. What makes this even more laughable is how outrageously low some of these caps are when people watch Netflix, Hulu, or any type of streaming in general.
Just watching several movies put you up against the cap or remotely near it
And that somehow has become what the Internet Companies love....so that now consumers can either restrict themselves after several movies OR pay more and more ALL THE WHILE paying more every year in general for the service.
What a joke | |
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Does not compute.... | |
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| | say what!. i really feel sorry for canadians, their government does what IT wants, and the people have no say that counts in the matter!. that wouldn't fly in many other countries!. but if the canadians like it that way, that's fine too!. | |
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| Re: say what!. Wha?
The bureaucrats (the CRTC) have done what BELL wants, and the people have said plenty. The government, hearing the roar of hundreds of thousands of angry citizens, have promised to address the gaffs of the bureaucrats, if only to save their own skin.
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| | Boycott While I think the rally is a good idea, what about a boycott of Bell, Shaw and Rogers, switch to the little guys. That would hit em more where it hurts. We can protest all we want but still giving our money to the big guys shows we are not serious and are willing to take it in the you know what. I understand the big guys will still get some of the money but, Not as much. In the end it's all in the pocket book folks. The big guys would lose millions. That's the only way to affect change. They don't care what we think, they never did, they care about the money we give them. I am no longer with the big guys. I have a small provider. Hop on folks, hit em where it hurts! | |
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