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Techdirt directs our attention to a new proposal in Canada by the Canadian Writer's Guild that would force ISPs to pay content creators for any new content created in Canada. In other words, like the newspaper and entertainment industry, the Canadian Writer's Guild wants broadband customers to subsidize their inability to adapt to a new technology paradigm. "My guild is appearing before the CRTC on February 17th, urging them to start regulating the internet in Canada, specifically feared towards video content," says writer and reluctant guild member Ryan Sohmer. "Their belief is that the ISPs should be paying any creator who creates content for the web." Ironically of course, many ISPs think content providers should be subsidizing their network builds.

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jc100

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Bloggers should be paid for talking about an ISP. Customers should be paid. Customer is such an outdated word. How about quality assurance beta testers> ISPS no longer need customers but people to check their service for consistency. Therefore, all people signed up with an ISP should be paid for their continual commitment in browsing, emailing, and utilizing the service. Better yet, ISPS should just bankroll the internet. Since ISPS don't make the content they link to, it should be their job to PAY FOR EVERYONE's web hosting bill.

.... People are just getting inherently more ignorant as time passes. If you didn't get my post, it was sarcasm above to highlight the stupidity that is taken place.

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Everyone always wants someone else to pay for their failed business model... especially if they can lobby for it to be legal.
Businesses that are private / share holder owned should be allowed to fail - we could have saved a trillion or so by not bailing out these banks that are still sitting on their hands. Auto industry is still a 'loan' - so I'll leave that one off for now
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Anyone interested in making money from created content needs to be paid and have a contract in place before the "art" makes its way to the internet. If the creation has any value, someone will pay for it. Otherwise, find something else to do to put food on the table. This is not the first time that technology made certain jobs obsolete, and it won't be the last. The art and literature fields are not immune to this phenomenon any more than the wagon wheel maker.
cornelius785

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is this for real?

i mean, look at the link, IT'S AN INTERNET PETITION. i sure hope this isn't the only source, cause pretty much anyone can create an internet petition. also, does anyone take an internet petition seriously??
rradina

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Re: is this for real?

I don't know whether or not it's "real" but they aren't the first group to suggest that it's not enough for the consumer to pay for the connection.

Look at broadcast TV. It's not enough that the local channels broadcast their signal free of charge through the air. If the satellite and cable TV folks rebroadcast this content, the broadcaster wants a cut.

Look at the economic stimulus plan. I understand the paper industry is lobbying for money because they consider themselves a "green" industry (renewable).

At every turn, everyone has their hand out hoping the government will print them some money. Why wouldn't writers try to get someone else to put food on the table?

Rush Limbaugh is a fruit cake but several years ago he said something that made sense to me. It went something like.... If you need something, you believe you are entitled to it and you cannot afford it, go ask your neighbor to get/do it for you. If this doesn't seem right, then you should figure out a way to get/do it for yourself because regardless of how you hide your request, your neighbor will eventually pay for it.

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Re: is this for real?

said by rradina See Profile :

Look at broadcast TV. It's not enough that the local channels broadcast their signal free of charge through the air. If the satellite and cable TV folks rebroadcast this content, the broadcaster wants a cut.
That's not a new thing. Giving the stations the rights to charge money for retransmission is in the FCC rules.

The fact that the stations are available freely over the air is irrelevant. It's their content, and if they want to charge they should be able to. If you want to get the signals for free you are absolutely free to put up an antenna (as I have done). Your condo association or HOA can't stop you either. The FCC prohibits them from banning any reasonable TV antennas.
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Re: is this for real?

I thought a long time ago the FCC forced cable to carry the locals. Is cable allowed to break out the local channels and charge separately for them? I thought satellite does this or did this.

With digital, ghosts, hum bars and static are a thing of the past. I would have no problem putting a line item veto on my cable bill for local channels and getting them through the air. Currently I don't think that's an option, at least not in my area.

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said by rradina See Profile :

If this doesn't seem right, then you should figure out a way to get/do it for yourself because regardless of how you hide your request, your neighbor will eventually pay for it.
I hate to say it... but its the truth.
Why pay for it yourself, if you can
a) Have someone else directly pay for it.
b) Have a whole group pay for it (taxes/welfare/MediCal)

The main part is that you have to make sure that it benefits YOU. The problem with a lot of these 'benefits' are that they generally take from the middle class, and benefit the poor.
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New content?

Who will decide that content is really new ant not reprinted and not rewritten? Very tricky topic this many loopholes. Can't imagine in real life.

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Re: is this for real?

In Canada it could be a similar demand to what their broadcast TV networks must do. By law they have to make sure a certain % of shows has to be locally made Canadian content. So, of course, the TV networks there have to pay to create it because local producers aren't making content on their own hook that the networks want to pay for. This sounds like a plea from writers to get the same deal on the internet that their broadcast TV brethren are getting - a gov't subsidized payoff.
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First they came...

On the Internet the RIAA wanted to charge for "losses" due to music piracy,
and I spoke up because I wasn't a music pirate.

Then the MPAA wanted to charge for "losses" due to movie piracy,
and I spoke up because I wasn't a movie pirate.

Then the newspapers wanted to charge for their "news",
and I spoke up because I didn't read the newspapers anyways.

Then the Canadian Writer's Guild wanted to charge for Canadian content,
and I spoke up because I don't even know what Canadian content is, let alone I don't read it.

Then my ISP wanted to pass all these charges on to me - and I left my ISP for one that realized I wasn't responsible for propping up all these faltering/failing business models that haven't evolved with technologies.

Apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller. Do I need to license your work in order to make a derivative?

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Re: First they came...

Unfortunately, the way things are heading, at some point the same people that sell you internet services will also be the owners of the content. At the very least, the two will be partnered together in such a way that there will be a significantly lopsided interest on their part when compared to the consumers. We simply will not have an option to leave one ISP for another that does not also employ a similar strategy.

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Re: First they came...

Yeah, I can see it now:

Notice: CONGRATULATIONS! Now you too can access ESPN360.COM from your Computer! Plus you can access Doo-hickeys R'Us.com, and CrappyNFLStreaming.com! Just log in after March 1st and you can now access all this exciting new content as part of your customer experience with XYZ Cable!

* Effective March 31st the price for GeeWhiz Internet access tiers will increase by $5.00.


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So, all I have to do is...

Slap some content on the web and collect my paycheck from the world's ISPs? I love the idea as I'm currently out of work, but let's be real.

said by jmn1207 :
If the creation has any value, someone will pay for it.
You hit the nail on the head. Produce something worth buying at a reasonable price and people will buy it. If you can't produce, find a real job.

said by rradina :
At every turn, everyone has their hand out hoping the government will print them some money. Why wouldn't writers try to get someone else to put food on the table?
I'd settle for a few digital bits in the right place in my bank account. I'd spend some to stimulate the economy and save some so that the bank could lend more. Isn't that a great plan, please only a billion.
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South Park?

What are they going to do otherwise? Strike?

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Re: South Park?

said by bogey780 See Profile :

What are they going to do otherwise? Strike?
They tried this in Hollywood Land and it didn't work very well. The problem was re-runs.
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Who Cares

The Canadian writers can live in the same fantasyland the Australians do and the rest of the world will go on happily without them.
popbop

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Re: Who Cares

The fantasy is that writing is a hallowed, mystical art that requires the utmost education and preparation to master. Their arrogance has created a sense of entitlement that has the world saying, "adapt or die"!

The truth is that just about any competent high school graduate with something worthwhile to say or report is as capable any rag master guild's so-called professionals.

Writing is about communicating. Billions of people can communicate wonderfully through writing without submitting to the bigoted ire of the "professionals" and their hawkish editors. That's why the web and blogoshpere is decimating these bastions of media and their antiquated guards.

What we we have here another Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

The new media kiddie is about information-now, information-hot, information-relevant... information-FREE! -- free in thought, access, and of charge.

Now, in the immortal words of one of their own demigods...

“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”

Adapt or die you silly Canucks, just like the rest of us.
popbop

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Re: Who Cares

Sorry, forgot to credit that quote to Sir Charles Darwin
lrtc

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I see

We have a Canadian writer's guild? I guess it's true you do learn something new everyday.
Desdinova

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Re: I see

Who do you think writes the copy on all those packages of backbacon?

JohnQPublic
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Feared?

"My guild is appearing before the CRTC on February 17th, urging them to start regulating the internet in Canada, specifically feared towards video content."

Feared? Or Geared?

magnax3

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Here is a thought!

Get money from doing your damn job and stop looking for bail outs! The kind of crap they produce like Sophie and little mosque on the prairie they should be paying ISP for allowing people to watch such pure crap.

For the good of the nation and the needs of the many instead of the few the guild should have to be disbanded. Heck half the writers prob live in the states now anyway and are just in the guild because they were born here.

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And what it all comes down to is they'll want consumers

... to have to pay for everything, like a "Tax" except it goes to private for profit firms.

We're screwed if this type of thinking (ESPN360.com) takes off.

Think about it. Jo-Blow-Sucko can't compete in the real world, so he starts producing a newspaper, which has virtually zero readers and cannot succeed financially.

So he goes under the new law and demands that internet users have to pay his newspaper $250,000 a year in profits. Then he hires on more staff, company vehicles, $10k a month fancy office rental, etc etc and of course can't profit traditonally so he just passes the bill onto ISP's (You need to charge your subscribers $1.5 million this year to cover my newspaper costs, just divide it up and pay your share"....

etc etc etc for every other failed business.

Pretty soon everyone in Canada (or this US if this takes off) won't have broadband anymore or they'll be stealing it.
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-=YAWN=-

Wow, 76 signatures so far. I'm terrified.
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said by MacGyver See Profile :

Wow, 76 signatures so far. I'm terrified.
whats funny, is half of them 77 signatures are people making fun of it!

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wow is right...

slow news day Karl ?

yolarry

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oh great

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