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Canadian Broadband Shines
Growth strong on all fronts
(old news - 08:55AM Thursday Mar 21 2002)
tags: business · stats
The year 2001 proved to be another banner year for high-speed Internet services in Canada. Despite well-publicized troubles with Excite@Home, Canadian Cable continued to show strong subscriber growth. Not to be outdone, ILEC network rollouts continued and DSL growth was the strongest to date, according to the Yankee Group. From Hoovers.

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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
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join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
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I'll taste it myself

I'm gonna be in Canada myself this weekend so I'm going to get a firsthand account of what's going on there, hopefully.
I do know that the Canadian government had taken quite a diferent stance on broadband deployment, as well as their definition of "broadband".
In Canada, anything less than 512kbps doesn't qualify as "broadband".
But I will just see for myself in a few days.
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pupowski
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join:2002-03-22
Vancouver, WA
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Re: I'll taste it myself

Canadian broadband's difference is accountability more than speed or deployment. The USA has embraced monopoly's and declining standards to our detriment as a society. My AT&T connection has gone from 3500/128 to 1500/128 over the past four months, down from 7000/1300 4 years ago. Most DSL in this area(MNS/QWEST)is still slow and unreliable.Not only is Canadian service better, but the carriers are financially stable, while US counterparts go bankrupt en masse.
Have a good trip.
Pup

BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
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Rowlett, TX
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Re: I'll taste it myself

Sounds about like what I have heard and read.
Good to hear from you again, Pup. I haven't seen ya in a while.
But, I agree with you, and you seem to have underscored my points, that Canada has a much more conducive broadband environment than we do here in the States.
And thanks...I'm hoping the weather clears a bit though....:)
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We've got our eye on the firmaments, our hand on the armaments, our heads full of arguments, and words for our monuments.....

dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus

join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI

Can I leverage this?

Perhaps I can buy a honking 1.00009W amplifier, a big 40dB directional antenna , Juice up my WAP11, plop it down on top of the renaissance Center and aim that sucker across the Detroit river into Windsor and get a nice respectable broadband connection

Did I say that? hehe.

I wonder what the 'tarrifs' would be for importing bandwidth?
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dnoyeB"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16
The government is pricing our rights our of our reach.
cmack0

join:2001-10-12
Montrose, NY

US Seems a bit slow....

How does every other country have better broadband systems than the US? Are we really that far behind?

scavio
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join:2001-07-14
Melmac
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Re: US Seems a bit slow....

Most don't, people just like to talk about those that do. Just like OOL here in the U.S., a lot of people don't realize what a small portion of the population they are but the number of posts make the uninformed think otherwise.

There are also a bunch of our neighbors to the north who are extremely unhappy with service. I definitely don't hear many good things about Rogers, that's for sure.
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Ha, I kill me!

[text was edited by author 2002-03-21 12:17:31]

travisc

join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON

Re: US Seems a bit slow....

That's all relative. Relative to the chaos that I read about in the US, Rogers is angelic. They've had their problems, for sure, but the majority of people are satisfied. There's a vocal minority who are not, and a media bias against them because they're big business and due to a negative option billing fiasco on the cable TV side of things in 1996.
axia

join:2002-01-09
Brampton, ON

Re: US Seems a bit slow....

said by travisc:
That's all relative. Relative to the chaos that I read about in the US, Rogers is angelic. They've had their problems, for sure, but the majority of people are satisfied. There's a vocal minority who are not, and a media bias against them because they're big business and due to a negative option billing fiasco on the cable TV side of things in 1996.
Rogers angelic? you've got to be kidding. it's very unstable. you'll notice atleased 1 screw up at rogers a day. that's not good enough. try sending a file on ICQ. it'll stop 4 times then you'll get it right finally. it's pathetic.

Canada doesn't have good broadband. Bell has it's DSL with 128kilobit uploads and rogers is 128kilobit downloads if it feels like it. it's no fun.

you guys have cool stuff like DSDN. 100megabit access. i want some of that! i'm on bell and barely get over a megabit... which is considered to be in the top 1% of bell subscribers.

Candian broadband isn't fun or much, if any better than the USs. you wanna see real broadband? go to the Netherlands or other european places. 1Megabit is what the people on welfare have.

travisc

join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON

Re: US Seems a bit slow....

said by axia:
Rogers angelic? you've got to be kidding. it's very unstable. you'll notice atleased 1 screw up at rogers a day. that's not good enough. try sending a file on ICQ. it'll stop 4 times then you'll get it right finally. it's pathetic.

Canada doesn't have good broadband. Bell has it's DSL with 128kilobit uploads and rogers is 128kilobit downloads if it feels like it. it's no fun.

you guys have cool stuff like DSDN. 100megabit access. i want some of that! i'm on bell and barely get over a megabit... which is considered to be in the top 1% of bell subscribers.

Candian broadband isn't fun or much, if any better than the USs. you wanna see real broadband? go to the Netherlands or other european places. 1Megabit is what the people on welfare have.
Speak for yourself, my man. I haven't had any outages with Rogers in more than 6 months, and even then, it was once for about an hour. My connection is consistently quick and stable. Sorry for your troubles. Your experiences don't serve as a statistically significant population from which to make conclusions about the rest of Rogers' service.
holymage

join:2002-03-19
York, ON


said by scavio:
Most don't, people just like to talk about those that do.

There are also a bunch of our neighbors to the north who are extremely unhappy with Rogers, that's for sure.


Hey, I am Canadian - using Sympatico high speed DSL 925-1023 kilobits/s is my speed range with 128 upload. It rarely has any service interuption (usually for maintanance reasons). It's been down 3 times in 3 years for 1 hour to 24 hours (longest was 24). And after asking lots of questions I would not go with Rogers either-share broadband is not my thing.

jj
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scavio
Premium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac
clubs:

I think the same could be said for around here. Most people are satisfied, you have the chosen few who aren't (can't speak for Comcast though). I do, however, like how things are moving along in Canada, but I don't think there is that much of a difference right now in terms of quality and availability. That could soon change though since you (Canadians) seem to be moving forward better than we are. This is of course a general statement, not intended to be a blanket one.
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Ha, I kill me!

alex4life
Alex4life
Premium
join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC

The Price

The big difference is the price. Most Canadians pay either $40 CDN a month, or $35 CDN a month. Change that to US dollars, and it's equivalent to somewhere around $22 to $26 American. That's why broadband is getting better penetration in Canada. It also proves that companies CAN afford to sell broadband at cheaper prices in the US. If they ever give you crap like "we need to charge this much to break even", just ask them how Canadian broadband companies manage to survive. Remember, the prices I stated above are for cable AND DSL. It's funny, in the states DSL is on average more expensive than cable, but in Canada, at least where I live, it's the opposite. If I could get Telus Velocity DSL where I live, I'd be paying $5 less a month than I pay now for Cable. Oh, but one thing to mention: some companies (like my provider, and Telus) have monthly upload and download limits. That might be why they're cheaper. Still, this doesn't account for Shaw cable, which charges $40 a month Canadian for unlimited bandwidth. Anyways, for about $25 American, I can complain about my cable connection, that peaks at just about 5 megabits per second and is consistently at 2 MBits/s during peak hours.
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smiley4me

join:2002-02-25
North York, ON

Re: The Price

I fall off my seat laughing when I see the prices for broadband in the US. I guess the price in the US reflects how much people can afford to spend in personal disposable income. Statisticly Alberta has the cheapest bandwidth in North America.
larry12
Premium
join:2002-01-04
L0N 1K0

Hows $150 Canadian a month sound...

So... does that sound like sky high prices.... YES

However, I will pay to play with this broadband alternative technology.
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