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Boost users set to see 5Mbps
(old news - 09:16AM Friday Sep 15 2006)
tags: exclusive · bandwidth · cable
On Wednesday one of our resident Optimum Online users said the company was to soon be increasing the upstream speed of their "Boost" package (currently 30Mbps/2Mbps) to 5Mbps. By Thursday users were seeing the upgrades, though in the real world they're closer to 2.6Mbps. It's one of the first cable providers we've seen actually give users what they want (increased upstream bandwidth) instead of faster downstream speeds, which at this point are far more marketing than substance. This thread discusses how such upstream speeds are possible on a DOCSIS 2.0 network.

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ropeguru
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And the others....

Are still lagging behind, not listening, and giving us crap like Powerboost. Which my area STILL does not have.
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permalink · 2006-09-15 09:34:44 · Reply to this

Jafo232
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Re: And the others....

This is great. I wish they would have started this last night when I was uploading 1.7 GB of wedding pics.

Yet another reason why when it comes to speed, CV owns the residential market.
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permalink · 2006-09-15 09:42:37 · Reply to this

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Re: And the others....

said by Jafo232 See Profile :

Yet another reason why when it comes to speed, CV owns the residential market.
That's a bold statement that I don't believe any Fios user will agree with. CV might have market share, but they definitely are not the fastest consistently.
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permalink · 2006-09-15 17:37:16 · Print · Reply to this

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said by ropeguru See Profile :

Are still lagging behind, not listening, and giving us crap like Powerboost. Which my area STILL does not have.
Other cable companies in Verizon Fios areas will be doing what OOL is doing when the competition comes to their areas. When they start losing customers, the new speeds will come.
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permalink · 2006-09-15 11:49:38 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: And the others....

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by ropeguru See Profile :

Are still lagging behind, not listening, and giving us crap like Powerboost. Which my area STILL does not have.
Other cable companies in Verizon Fios areas will be doing what OOL is doing when the competition comes to their areas. When they start losing customers, the new speeds will come.
Not if they are Time Warner/Road Runner who still has 384 up speeds (even in the parts of NYC that are not serviced by Cablevision [NYC is split between CV and TW] where they compete with Verizon FIOS).
permalink · 2006-09-15 14:01:53 · Print · Reply to this

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September 15th, @09:42AM

Caps... Impossible upstream..

It should be noted that these upstream (and downstream) speeds can't be heavily used, they are just not supported by the network. It would only take about 5-6 people to max out the entire node.

If it works, it works on a system that has a cap threshold (cap on heavy use) or that has very few heavy users (doubtful).

PS. I hope FIOS responds with 50/10
permalink · 2006-09-15 09:40:43 · Print · Reply to this
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Re: Caps... Impossible upstream..


50/10 would be nice..........
permalink · 2006-09-15 09:52:41 · Reply to this

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said by Vamp See Profile :

It should be noted that these upstream (and downstream) speeds can't be heavily used
while i agree with you regarding upstream, downstream is unrestricted.
there are no reports of users getting any caps or warning for downloading too much.
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permalink · 2006-09-15 10:05:19 · Print · Reply to this
sh0ckie

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Re: Caps... Impossible upstream..

While it's great to see CV respond to competition from VZ by raising its speed, it's useless if their backend can't handle the load. I'm not the only OOL user who has seen the quality of the service degrade in the past few months. Speeds are far more erratic than they used to be, even during off-peak hours.
permalink · 2006-09-15 12:43:35 · Reply to this

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Re: Caps... Impossible upstream..

Hopefully they have a really clean ingress free return path capable of reliably using 64QAM modulation in the upstream on 6 MHz channels. If that's the case, I have to say KUDOS to Cablevision for maintaining such a clean plant. If not, we'll expect to see those people with borderline levels get knocked off as they can't reliably transmit upstream.
permalink · 2006-09-15 13:04:53 · Reply to this

mbernste
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Competition is great

Cablevision is doing this in response to the competition they are facing with FiOS (especially on Long Island). All I can say is when the monopoly is broken, the consumer wins.

Now if they can only give us more free VOD like TW, Comcast, and VZ does, it would be great!
permalink · 2006-09-15 09:45:49 · Reply to this

fcisler
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Dont look a gifted horse in the mouth

As the title says, I won't argue with anything more for FREE...

(i won't get into the fact that it's taking them 2+ weeks to setup my new apartment with cable....)

BUT, i would be JUST as happy if they could even provide a steady 5/2. If they told me "look, you have 30/5 now - you can either keep that, or get a constant 5/2 burstable to 10/2.5" i would do it. Either way, not bad for free!
permalink · 2006-09-15 09:47:08 · Reply to this

ExecPro
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Speeds

I don't know about everyone else's experiences, but since they started offering 'faster speeds' my speeds have actually declined. Anyone else experiencing this?
permalink · 2006-09-15 10:07:06 · Reply to this

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What users want

I don't want faster speeds, I want lower prices! Which is why I dropped Cablevision's overpriced $45 service for Verizon's $30 DSL.
permalink · 2006-09-15 10:16:41 · Reply to this

pnh102
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Headline Question

Why is "Boosts" in single quotes? From what the summary states, OOL is actually increasing speeds... or is this some kind of trick?
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permalink · 2006-09-15 10:20:42 · Reply to this
phantom6294

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Re: Headline Question

I'm no English Grammar expert... but I think double quotes are used when actually quoting something/someone. In this case, I think the headline is playing off the word Boost since CV calls the 30/5 service OOL Boost; thus the single quotes.

Just my theory... and we all know about theories.
permalink · 2006-09-15 10:46:12 · Reply to this

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Getting left in the dust

These high density areas (generally, but not always) are leaving the average suburban areas in the dust. (I'm starting to feel like rural folks ) While I understand it's better in terms of investment for a corp., it sucks for me!

But then again I don't even have a whiff of all these speeds north of the border in Ontario. And Optimax (16/1) for Bell and Elite (18/1) for Rogers doesn't count, since they're $100/mo uber plans (capped at 100GB I might add).

So apparently I need to move southeast to NY, or north to Quebec - which has 20/1 Videotron, although that's capped too.

Consider yourselves lucky those of you in line for Fios/and other smoking fast connections.
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permalink · 2006-09-15 10:43:15 · Print · Reply to this
HyPeRbAnD

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Great now we see the start of higher upstream speed!

Well it's finally starting...
permalink · 2006-09-15 11:17:45 · Reply to this
AnnaS8

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Re: Great now we see the start of higher upstream speed!

My understanding is that this can't really be done without really straining the network. CV must really be trying to pull this out of their arse. Until Docsis 3.0 is out they really can't hang with FIOS.

Besides I thought CV was already traffic shaping. A friend of mine says it takes him forever to upload even small files. He says it is fine for a few minutes then drops down to a crawl.
permalink · 2006-09-15 12:49:22 · Reply to this
HyPeRbAnD

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Re: Great now we see the start of higher upstream speed!

DOCSIS 2 will support this. It uses 64QAM 6.4mhz wide carrier which will do 30Mbps vs DOCSIS1.1 16qam 3.2mhz (10Mbps).
permalink · 2006-09-15 13:29:43 · Reply to this
patcat88

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said by AnnaS8 See Profile :

My understanding is that this can't really be done without really straining the network. CV must really be trying to pull this out of their arse. Until Docsis 3.0 is out they really can't hang with FIOS.

Besides I thought CV was already traffic shaping. A friend of mine says it takes him forever to upload even small files. He says it is fine for a few minutes then drops down to a crawl.
CV traffic shapes definetly, thats how they "recovered" the bandwidth for 5mbs upload.
permalink · 2006-09-16 17:14:09 · Print · Reply to this
tmc8080

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how many fans out there?

Just how many of you pay $15 more for boost?
It seems there are diminishing returns (without further upgrades) for the upstream, no?
A real-world loss of 2.4mbit is not so hot for an extra $15 a month... but being that many out-region speed tests, your isp caps upstream by increasing percentages.. it would be doubtful that that upstream is any better than Verizon's 5mbit, and likely worse... I get 39xx-44xx upstream local, and about half (or less) on the outer bands of speed tests (400-700kbit to west coast from east coast)-- its doubtful cablevision beats that..

If so, PROVE IT!
permalink · 2006-09-15 16:38:47 · Print · Reply to this
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Re: how many fans actually are willing to pay for upload?

Higher upload rocks!

Then again...why do you want higher upload rates?

How much of that upload capacity is one-time?
(i.e. the person uploading wedding pics)

More often than not, it seems upload requirements
are people working from home,people that want to run
servers (ftp, web, games, bittorent/p2p, ip telephony, etc)

The pricing models the cable and telcos seems to be
living by are download/consumer models.

Most customers that don't fall into the above models
don't care about upload speed (and the marketing folks
recognize that and do well in advertising download only speeds).

B**tch away.
permalink · 2006-09-15 18:49:51 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: how many fans out there?

Click for full size
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here is my speeds to west coast and i took a screenshot before it ended so you can see it was west coast.
permalink · 2006-09-15 23:58:32 · Print · Reply to this
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Re: how many fans out there?

Bandwidth Test.zip 552,356 bytes
(Bandwidth Test.doc)
Hello I have ran a couple tests Which i uploaded the file its a Word Doc.
permalink · 2006-09-16 08:21:09 · Print · Reply to this

Rob A
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LOL

This makes me laugh, capping for everyone at 128kbps!
permalink · 2006-09-15 18:44:04 · Reply to this

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Re: LOL

said by Rob A See Profile :

This makes me laugh, capping for everyone at 128kbps!
Well if theyre bumping the upload 150%, they should bump the upload cap on port 80 to 320kbps
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permalink · 2006-09-15 22:44:01 · Reply to this

Jmartz

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Re: LOL

said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Rob A See Profile :

This makes me laugh, capping for everyone at 128kbps!
Well if theyre bumping the upload 150%, they should bump the upload cap on port 80 to 320kbps
A user in the OOL forums said that after he got the upgrade to his modem, the Port 80 cap was no longer in place.

Also, BOOST uses DOCSIS 2.0. So the bandwidth shouldn't be a huge problem. All the bad problems I was having with slow speeds at night vanished when I got BOOST. So... it definately uses different channels.

Also, any areas that can get BOOST are running at QAM256, so any users who had marginal signals already got disconnected/had to have service calls to get back up and running. They upgraded everyone to that when they were rolling out the 15/2 for everyone.
permalink · 2006-09-15 23:16:43 · Print · Reply to this

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Broadband Wars

Well I'm on plain old Optimum Online 15/2, but it is really nice to be seeing the "Broadband Wars" going on here in the New York Metro area. FIOS is really causing Optimum Online to pep up it's network. If it wasn't for FIOS, we'd still be on 10/1. Now we have more, for less in terms of dollar/megabit.

Something to hold people over until the superior FIOS comes around. No doubt that FIOS is superior since it has a better backbone network behind it, but this can compete for now. Now, what will Verizon do in response? And what will CV's response be? Verizon is offering 50/5 now in response to CV's 30mbit/2mbit, so I bet a price decrease for FIOS.

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permalink · 2006-09-15 20:22:47 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Broadband Wars

i bet the verizon 50/5 goes down to around $50 a month to kill the boost package knowing they cant do more.
permalink · 2006-09-15 23:52:58 · Reply to this

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Re: Broadband Wars

said by BLUNTED 1 See Profile :

i bet the verizon 50/5 goes down to around $50 a month to kill the boost package knowing they cant do more.
would make sense but they wont do it .......
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permalink · 2006-09-16 07:00:47 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Broadband Wars

we all hope so though since the competition brings us better speeds
permalink · 2006-09-17 01:36:13 · Reply to this

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10Mbps?

Itd be funny if VZ went to 10Mbps upload...and cablevision tried doing that to..lol im betting with this 5mbps upload its going to put a heavy strain on the CV network or theyll just traffic shape it..
permalink · 2006-09-15 23:24:37 · Reply to this
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