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06:03PM Wednesday Sep 02 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: business · wireless · alternatives · bandwidth · cable · Cablevision
Back in July we noted how the New York City Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) was exploring the idea of offering wireless broadband service on the organization's New York area commuter trains. Cablevision says they've submitted their response to the MTA, suggesting the agency use Cablevision's Wi-Fi network, which the company started offering free to Cablevision customers late last year. The project was part of a $300 million effort to provide Wi-Fi and upgrade the Cablevision network to DOCSIS 3.0.

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According to Cablevision, more than 96% of Metro North Railroad and Long Island Railroad stations have access to their network already (see Cablevision's coverage map). The service currently offers downstream speeds up to 3 Mbps. Cablevision tells us their proposal would have them filling in the gaps between stations.

Of course the MTA doesn't want wireless broadband just for customers, but also for their internal systems. According to an RFEI document issued by the MTA, the company is also interested in using the network for electronic ticketing and wireless transfer of train diagnostic information.

"Our proposal includes capacity for the kind of MTA operational needs you mention," Cablevision spokesman Jim Maiella tells us. "We undertake all construction and operational costs - obvious benefits to riders but also in bandwidth for the MTA," he says. Given the project would be funneling customers directly to Cablevision instead of an MTA project that competes for users, the deal would obviously be higgly lucrative to Cablevision as well.

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I see 12 years of talks

And sometime in the next decade after years of negotiations the contract will be signed, no wait the standard negotiated is no longer used, well back to the table again. Knowing the Mayor he will want something like San Fransico wanted from Google's free city wide broadband plan, "Broadband, and Blackberry's for Bums"

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signal levels

At some stations the signal is poor at best

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At some stations the signal is poor at best
Not just at the stations, according to CV's coverage map my condo is within three overlapping APs, however, the signal I can pick up from any area of my home is awfully weak, I can actually access a Comcast AP located at Newark's Penn Station (two blocks away) much more easily than CV's, no matter the time of day (peak or off peak) I have yet to successfully connect to any of CVs APs, their signals are too weak.
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RE: Cablevision's plans

News story on Cablevison's plans:

»tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090902/···ion_wifi
Cablevision Systems Corp. is gunning for a state contract to build a high-speed wireless Internet network along two train lines in the New York metro area.

The diversified cable TV operator said Wednesday it submitted an expression of interest to the state of New York to provide Wi-Fi access for the Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad. These trains connect New York City to Long Island and Connecticut.

Cablevision thus far has been putting Wi-Fi equipment on train stations and parking lots, not on the trains themselves. The MTA contract will let Cablevision add Wi-Fi to the trains, so commuters can access the Internet while the train is moving.

Cablevision said it will carry the cost of building the network for the state. The company's own Wi-Fi rollout is expected to cost $300 million when it's completed next year. The cable operator did not immediately provide the cost of the MTA contract.
Since they are doing this at no cost to the 2 railroads involved, it sounds like a good deal for commuters.
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Re: RE: Cablevision's plans

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Since they are doing this at no cost to the 2 railroads involved, it sounds like a good deal for commuters.
You ever see the price of a monthly ticket from Huntington to Penn Station lately? While they have me bent over, they might as well offer me a better wireless signal.
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Re: RE: Cablevision's plans

Or at least a kiss on the back of the neck

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As usual, CV screws NJ

We'll have to subsidize this with higher rates, but service won't be provided in NJ.

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Re: As usual, CV screws NJ

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We'll have to subsidize this with higher rates, but service won't be provided in NJ.
CV's WiFi Access Points cover the NJT stations. The problem is that until you get to Suffern (NY) on the Bergen County/Main Line route, the trains are NJT and only become Metro-North in NY from Suffern to Port Jervis. Thus the Metro-North contract does not cover NJT routes. If NJT put out a request for WiFi support, I'd assume that CV would make the same offer as they did to Metro-North.

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Re: As usual, CV screws NJ

said by RARPSL See Profile :

said by Bobcat See Profile :

We'll have to subsidize this with higher rates, but service won't be provided in NJ.
CV's WiFi Access Points cover the NJT stations.
Only some of them. Maybe even less than half. On my line, you cross between CV and Comcast territory multiple times on one trip, so there's no way CV would ever cover them all.
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Re: As usual, CV screws NJ

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said by RARPSL See Profile :

said by Bobcat See Profile :

We'll have to subsidize this with higher rates, but service won't be provided in NJ.
CV's WiFi Access Points cover the NJT stations.
Only some of them. Maybe even less than half. On my line, you cross between CV and Comcast territory multiple times on one trip, so there's no way CV would ever cover them all.
I acknowledge that some of the NJT routes are (partly or fully) in Comcast's territory. What I was attempting to address was that the article was about an offer made by CV to the MTA (covering the Metro-North and LIRR routes). The only Metro-North route in NJ is the use of the Bergen County/Mainline NJT route that is used by Port Jervis Express trains. Thus your comment has little to do with the issue since it is NJT that needs to talk to CV. In fact, I think that parts of the Suffern to Port Jervis line runs though TWC territory not CV territory (I'd need to look at their coverage map to see how far north they go before TWC takes over).

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Re: As usual, CV screws NJ

Comcast offers free wifi in NJ Transit train stations within its footprint, Comcast users can also access Cablevision wifi and vice versa.

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Re: As usual, CV screws NJ

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Comcast users can also access Cablevision wifi and vice versa.
I find that very hard to believe. How do Comcast users get a Cablevision ID in order to access a Cablevision access point?
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Re: As usual, CV screws NJ

said by Bobcat See Profile :

said by NickD See Profile :

Comcast users can also access Cablevision wifi and vice versa.
I find that very hard to believe. How do Comcast users get a Cablevision ID in order to access a Cablevision access point?
If the authorization page (it did originally) allowed you to put in an @optonline.net or @comcast.net or any other @ E-mail ID and the authorization system has access to the different databases, it would be a simple thing to allow.

If Authentication checked for the @ as an OOL subscriber you would not need to enter the @ on your home system but if you entered an @ it would check the relevant database. Of course there would need to be access to the other companies databases of E-mail addresses and passwords. This could be done via a simply relay, with CV asking a Comcast server is this a valid user and vice versa.
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On my line, CV covers only 5 out of 24 train stations.

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said by Bobcat See Profile :

We'll have to subsidize this with higher rates, but service won't be provided in NJ.
it doesn't really matter, the MTA is too busy trying to steal money for themselves, so they will probably find some lame excuse to pay for it themselves in order to justify another 20+ percent fare increase next year.

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how would you stay online?

If you are on a moving train, wouldn't a wifi signal continuously drop out and need to renegotiate every time you pass an access point? Or is this mainly for just the stations when you might be stationary?
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Re: how would you stay online?

That's what I was wondering- MBTA Commuter Rail has Wi-Fi, (free to everyone, even) but it's provided by at&t (which defaced the carriages with its horrifyingly terrible logo and orange), which has a cellular network and so the Wi-Fi is provided by routers in each carriage... something like this would seem to make more sense.

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Re: how would you stay online?

AT&T can do it at a low cost because it owns the cellular network. Cablevision only owns cable lines, and it's pretty hard to connect a cable line to a moving train.

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Re: how would you stay online?

said by NickD See Profile :

AT&T can do it at a low cost because it owns the cellular network. Cablevision only owns cable lines, and it's pretty hard to connect a cable line to a moving train.
It can be done wirelessly with repeaters on the poles.

Remember metricom ricochet? They used transmitters on utility poles.
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If they are going to do that, they better not just offer this to Cablevision customers. Otherwise, other companies are going to demand this and it'll turn into a mess.

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said by visuelz See Profile :

If they are going to do that, they better not just offer this to Cablevision customers. Otherwise, other companies are going to demand this and it'll turn into a mess.
It should be fun to watch Cablevision hang access points in areas of Queens where they don't have service. Certainly those tracks have to run through Time Warner service areas eventually.

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Abandoned Rail Yards

How about Cablevision first do something about the west side rail yards like they promised in 2005? A cool Jets stadium would've been finished by now.

New York should ask about that progress first. Other than that, I'll take free Wi-Fi, regardless of company. Maybe the subway is next.
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