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| You have to remember though... even with 10/1 there comes a breaking point in peoples wallets. The speeds are great, but since I am connected to a residential service, if they cap me as an alternative to paying $60, $70, $80, $90 or even $100 bucks a month for internet, then I am all for it.
They will have to start tiered pricing, a residential service running at Business Class speeds still needs to be priced in residential pricing. I don't have a CHOICE to take a lower package. Truthfully, if they had tiered pricing NOW at the current rate, I would take half the speeds I am getting now for half the price.
But just because we get good speeds doesn't mean we need to disregard pricing.. because it is still a residential service. And don't get me started about how the price has gone up, meanwhile the Email, Usenet and DNS servers are constantly going down or working half ass.
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Ledyard, CT
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| Re: Greedy Bastards But..... said by Jmartz  :
You have to remember though... even with 10/1 there comes a breaking point in peoples wallets. The speeds are great, but since I am connected to a residential service, if they cap me as an alternative to paying $60, $70, $80, $90 or even $100 bucks a month for internet, then I am all for it.
They will have to start tiered pricing, a residential service running at Business Class speeds still needs to be priced in residential pricing. I don't have a CHOICE to take a lower package. Truthfully, if they had tiered pricing NOW at the current rate, I would take half the speeds I am getting now for half the price.
But just because we get good speeds doesn't mean we need to disregard pricing.. because it is still a residential service. And don't get me started about how the price has gone up, meanwhile the Email, Usenet and DNS servers are constantly going down or working half ass.
My eyes are bleeding from reading this.
I have charter cable. 39.95 a month...own my own modem....getting 769/128. $10 more a month and I can get 1.5/128.
10/1 for 49.95 a month without an option to get half the speed for less
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1.5/128 for 49.95 a month with no other option to go higher.
Synopsis: You got it bad.....obviously im the one making out out with the speed and lower price.
Wish i could complain about downloading at a MB a sec.......how do you ever make it threw a day?
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join:2001-02-20
Charlestown, MA
clubs: | Catchy Title I agree.. I pay 45 a month for 1.8/300
I want ool
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| 10% is a bit much But as so many have already said, compared to their cable peers, OOL is still and excellent value.
said by Cable execs:
...however have shrugged off any thoughts of lowering rates, arguing that their better speeds make the price differences worth while for consumers.
Yeah, well show us the speed already.
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| I see no problems here.... If this were any other cable co raising rates, I would say people have a right to complain, as typical service is 1.5/256. But I am paying $66 a month after taxes and FCC fees, for a 1.5/384 DSL line. OOL customers are getting far greater speeds, for much less.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: I see no problems here.... Hell, I'm paying $95 for 3500/384 while OOL has nearly 2.5x the speed for 1/2 the price. If $5 more is what it takes Cablevision to keep happy investors and 10/1Mb DL cap free service...OOL customers should still be very content. | |
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join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| Re: I see no problems here.... said by oliphant5 :
Hell, I'm paying $95 for 3500/384 while OOL has nearly 2.5x the speed for 1/2 the price. If $5 more is what it takes Cablevision to keep happy investors and 10/1Mb DL cap free service...OOL customers should still be very content.
Check this out: »No E-Mail Delivered for Days
Or how about this:
»DNS Issues
»SITES TIMING OUT
Took them over 2 weeks to fix that problem. Talk about a refreshing nightmare.
The speeds are good, but the service has some MAJOR problems with reliability. Even if the price is sooo low for what we get, the stuff they DO provide at least needs to work. I mean, come on, I can see email not having priority, but you would think that they could fix the problematic DNS server quicker than TWO WEEKS... I mean without it, browsing the internet is kind of hard...
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Corona, CA | Re: I see no problems here.... Use someone else's DNS server...that's what a lot of people do. I use Verizon's with my Comcast service. As for mail, I understand your troubles. No service is worth having if you have consistent problems with it. | |
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join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| Re: I see no problems here.... That's the work around that has been used. Things are better now, but I shouldn't have to use another companies DNS server when I am already paying for OOL... But oh well. I will take a cap, just keep the service working. As for the email, that guy is reporting that it takes up to 3 days for mail with attachments to get delivered... he could get a roll of film sent across the country in an envelope faster than the email server could deliver those same pictures if it's true that it takes 3 days for the stuff to come through email... I can understand being delayed like 30 minutes or an hour... but 3 DAYS!? That's a little long.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Re: I see no problems here.... Yeah, that comes from someone who has it. Ask the rest of us who aren't getting the speed which is more important. Speed, or the hell of taking all of 5 seconds to set up and use another provider's DNS. | |
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| Re: I see no problems here.... said by oliphant5 :
Yeah, that comes from someone who has it. Ask the rest of us who aren't getting the speed which is more important. Speed, or the hell of taking all of 5 seconds to set up and use another provider's DNS.
The issue isn't how much we pay or how fast we get. A bum DNS server is a bum DNS server. My grandfather has OOL and doesn't know anything about DNS servers, he just wants it working. Why would you put up with substandard service? People have become so used to just bending over and taking whatever a company wants to give you and then asking for more.
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Brooklyn, NY
| Cablevision You get what you pay for and OOL is the best out there and its worth 50.00 a month. If they get out of hand pricewise then there's always Verizon DSL 1.5 @ 39.99 which is kinda slow when your used to OOL's lightning fast service.
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join:2000-12-13
Whippany, NJ
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| Here is the deal... OK OOL is great, fast speeds and all. But once I see the new price on the bill I will be saying hello to Verizon DSL for $10 a month less....$120 a year less, more then that the first year because of introductury offers.
What all of you in other parts of the county are forgetting is the cost of living. The cost of living in the tri-state area is far beyond any other part of the country.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Re: Here is the deal... How about Huntington or Newport Beach especially after our wonderful legislature gets done raping us with all the new taxes they want?
Whippany, NJ Aver Home Price: $403,265.95
Huntington Beach Aver Home Price: $663,771.02
Newport Beach, CA Aver Home Price: $1,994,298.66
Not to mention the ripoff areas in LA. Real Estate here is completely out of control with typical home cost inflation at about 25% per year. Orange County is a complete rip.
According to a stupid little site in the House & Home section of MSN.com they have a form where you can compare cities.
If you earned $50,000 in NYC you would have to earn this much to live in this city
$69,117 in Newport Beach
$43,945 in Huntington Beach
$55,394 in San Francisco
What expensive cities or towns are there in the Tri-State known for being a rip? NYC being expensive I'm sure has it cheaper parts offsetting the obviously expensive ones.
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join:2000-11-26
North Babylon, NY
| Re: Here is the deal... New York Area (Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island) is expensive...
Long Island (Nassau-Suffolk) is expensive
Tri-State NJ (Newark, etc...) is expensive
There are NO "cheaper parts" offsetting anything unless they are HIGH crime areas.
Taxes are rediculous (Sales tax, Property tax, etc...)
Insurance is absolutly rediculous.
Apartments are not even resonable (and this is not just manhattan but long island and NJ)
Mass Transit is not even worth it on Long Island (round trip peak to NYC from suffolk long island can be $24 per round trip).
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | Re: Here is the deal... Yeah, LA doesn't have tolls, OC has a few (I pay about $8/day RT + $2/gal for gasoline) but with tripling of the car tax to $600/yr...we might as well have tolls. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Whippany, NJ
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| Ok with that $403,265.95 you'll get 15 acres of land.
Compared with your $663,771.02 which would get you what? at least 40 acres?
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Re: Here is the deal... You would get less than 1 acre. Properties over 1 acre can't be had for less than a few million. Dirt here is more expensive than the house sitting on it. Most lots are 1/8 acre and a large (well I would say huge) lot is 1/2 acre (about 20,000sqft).
$663K will get you about a 2000-3000 sqft SFR on about 1/5 acre (eg tract house) within 2-3 miles of the ocean...oh and a crappy commute. That's about it. For $2M in Newport, you'll get 2500-4000 sqft SFR (depending on location), 1/2 acre, a $500/mo association fee and a Newport Beach zip code. The cheapest SFR listing in Newport according to Realtor.com is a 1,286 Sq. Ft listed at $500K but it's a zero property line home (no yard) with 1 garage space. Cheapest SFR listing in my zip code 92648 is 1,272 Sq. Ft at $434,500.
And it's not because this area is so cool. That house 5 years ago was probably $250,000 but prices here despite the economy are just skyrocketing (probably because of interest rates). It's quite unbelievable.
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join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
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| Ha,I would gladly pay $100 a month for that speed $5 boo hoo.
Try paying $134 a month here for ISDN, cause no cable or DSL. :P
I would easily pay $100 a month for that. 
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join:2001-12-21
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: Ha,I would gladly pay $100 a month for that speed Most definatly i'd pay for ool if it was double the cost i pay 179.00 for my buisness class cable now thats only 3/1. yeah i don't have to worry about caps and can have as many dchp addys as needed along with 5 static ips. But there speed is the best in the states.I've read a few hooror story statments but it seems all isp's get them.I saw someone complaining about rr buisness class and i've never had a problem. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | yes, but Well, in these markets, with little or no competition, they can do what they want. The bells aren't really competitors - I think it's too late for them.
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Change we can believe in, 1922
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Houston, TX | Re: yes, but The bells are holding a decent market share, so I'm not sure how you mean. Could you elaborate? | |
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join:2000-11-22
Hackensack, NJ
|  CV Please some additional value to price hikes
What's added, improved or changed in terms of value for the price hikes? Have we gotten anything in return? No.
Is there any incentive to be a Cable Customer and OOL customer - hardly.
All CV is trying to do is make the same amount of money TW and Comcast makes arguing that the service is better and we all should be happy to to open our wallets and pay the multiple increases.
CV should be praising themselves for the outstanding service and keeping their cost down when the service was less than $40 a month.
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join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | Re: CV Please some additional value to price hikes Would you care for some cheese with your WHINE! | |
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join:2002-02-04
Lewisville, TX
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| Well.. Maybe OOL needs to charge more to compensate for the increasing bandwidth usage, P2P is more popular then ever nowadays and I'm sure its hitting their networks hard, who knows. I'm still baffled that one guy is going to cancel OOL to get Verizon 1.5/128k DSL for $40. Hmmm... 10mbit/1mbit for $50 or 1.5mbit/128k for $40.. tough choice :P I also agree with oliphant, I highly doubt living in the tri-state area costs more then living in most parts of southern california.
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Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | Catchy title Well, OOL seems to me to be the best value BY FAR! I think OOL users have absolutely no right to complain. | |
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Your Daddy
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join:2001-11-26
Earth
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| Re: Catchy title And you don't see those kind of problems with other ISP's?
Go take a look at the Comcast board. Go take a look at any other cable ISP board. You'll see these kind of problems, and many last a lot longer than two weeks, and not all of them are simple workarounds like what you have there.
I'll gladly take crappy DNS, no email, no webspace, and no newservers with your speeds over my Comcast connection any day.
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join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| it's a question of the bundling... OOL may be decent value, but the price rises history is near vertical and when will it stop?
Also Cablevision is NOT that competitive against Satellite, which provides more channels (BBCA etc etc) which Cv ignores. So the customers, like me, who bundle OOL and Cv will likely take a look at paying the extra $5.00 for standalone OOL and drop Cv......
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rhard49
join:2001-04-12
Merrick, NY
| Lunatic Fringe Speed is not everything most of us who post in this forum really represent what many would consider the "lunatic fringe" Yes we downloads hundreds of megabytes if not gigabytes a day. I manage many customers networks and internet access and the average user/customer or office does not need 1/10 the speed we have nor do they know the difference. As far as the average homeowner, when you could argue the cost of cable service at 29.95-34.95 was cheaper if not the same cost as having a second phone line it was an easy decision at 44.95 or 49.95 its not a choice for many would be customers. Its cheaper for them to package verizons services of local/long distance and internet then consider cable a viable alternative. I'm sure verizon extending wifi free to thier customer base at 100's of location in NY will also cause many to question cables real value. At 44.95 I like many dumped cable TV and went to satellite for the better picture, cheaper prices, and the yankees. Cablevision should take a good look at thier current pricing structure they are approaching or have crossed the price points that decide how big the broadband cable market really is. | |
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join:2002-01-25
Costa Mesa, CA
| Re: Lunatic Fringe Hummm . I'm in Costa Mesa-Newport beach area and i'm paying $800 for STUDIO apartment. Just 1 block from me , my friend who falls under Newport beach territory , is paying $1300 for 1 bedroom apt and he's VERY lucky to get it that cheap.
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Puffy And Prickly
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join:2001-06-13
Kansas City, MO
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| Re: Lunatic Fringe Why in gods name do you people live there. I'm in KC, MO have a two bedroom 1200sft home with an equal basement, garage and about 1 acre of land for about $480 per month. Do you work in a field that does not allow you to move?
I still can't believe that people continue to live in that state! Not trying to put you down so don't take it that way. I'm just amazed... Do you make a salery that is just as nuts?
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join:2001-04-12
Merrick, NY | HUH whats that got to do with the price of eggs, my daughter and her husband pay 1600 for a 1 bedroom in long beach NY. Its expensive to live in both places. | |
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join:2002-06-27
San Diego, CA | Cap Free Are they really cap free?
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join:2001-10-30
Randolph, NJ
| Been paying $49.95 for over a year! Well, since I dont have any Cablevision TV services, I have been paying $49.95 for OOL ever since my first one year contract for $39.95 ran out..Is it only the folks with bundled Cable TV services getting bumped up??
I sure hope I dont get bumped to $54.95 as well!!!!!!!!
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join:2001-02-12
Hopatcong, NJ | DSL Reports Wrong On Cablevision Rate Increase | |
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join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL
| But golly gee but goly gee you have all that speed. Why do you need service also  You can't have it all. Remember cable is not regulated like the telco's | |
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Can I Taste It? Mmmm
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join:2000-12-15
Brooklyn, NY
| GIMME OOL
COME ON CABLEVISION! You have people who wanna pay for your service, and all you do is hook up those areas with those whiny lil rich ass bastards who don't appreciate NOTHIN'!
WELL I'll keep waiting with VERY slow(1.5/384) but VERY STABLE EarthLink/COVAD connection ion CROWN HEIGHTS BROOKLYN!
Even the GD projects got Cable and I don't LIVE IN 'EM
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And cablevision, STOP advertising Digital CABLE on MY TV if ya ain't gonna bring it to my area, ya bastards! I'm happy with DirecTV!
Ugggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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join:2001-01-28
Bronx, NY
| Re: GIMME OOL i feel you playa... im here in the bronx and ive been waiting for 3 years... im unable to get dsl because of load coils or some other bullshit on my line...
i did a post a while ago complaining how all the "ghetto" areas have not been wired and of course those people who live in areas where cv feel the people can afford their service, starting saying that cv only cares about the color of green (which makes sense) but they think the color of green can only come from certain people...
but anyway, im dying for the service i have all these grey boxes setup here in the south bronx.. i see the nodes and poweramps on the poles (theyve been there for months now)... and still no service... i have a modem and it has not synced yet.. before i went on vacation i saw a huge thing of fiber rolled up just sitting in the street.. supposedly my area is just waiting for "CRI" to come and finish.. wuteva!!!!! | |
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join:2003-04-22
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clubs: | Just trying to make you even with other providers My guess is that they are just tring to even thier pricing with other providers. Mediacom is in the same price range. | |
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