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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | Re: TWC best watch their step That is a big question I have. I just implemented an HDHomerun - I'd hate to have it killed by SDV. | |
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Why should TWC watch their step? they're not doing anything they shouldnt be doing with SDV. | |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: TWC best watch their step If they start charging high fees for SDV add-on boxes it could be seen as anti-competitive by the FCC who is pushing cablecards. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: TWC best watch their step said by Dogfather  :If they start charging high fees for SDV add-on boxes it could be seen as anti-competitive by the FCC who is pushing cablecards. ... for the very small, and I do mean VERY small group of people that SDV affects, I don't see the issue. There's not "step" that needs to be watched, etc. There are millions and millions of cable TV customers out there and the number of those that have the older Tivo and other devices is a very small amount.
Can't even see that these devices will be out there for very long as it is as new equipment will be made to handle SDV.
Personally, I think the end user should PURCHASE the adapters themselves. NOTHING, not a dime, should be subsidized to the end user consumer...
This is hardly anti-competitive.. it's called evolution. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: TWC best watch their step Why would it be considered anti? Dish and DirecTV do it. It will be required equipment. | |
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | Tivo Noticed that in the summer update for tivo S3 HD's there is now a "Switched" settings page which wasnt there before that talks about the SDV boxes | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| Re: Tivo info on switched tuning adapters Ok, I was interested in Tivo perhaps if the SDV adapter would enable VOD support, but Tivo just lost my business. No VOD, No Tivo. I could of potentially purchased a Tivo HD and used this adapter, but I guess I'll stick with the subpar Motorola DVR. Might be slow, but at least it gets HD-VOD.
Technically the SDV Adapter should be able to support VOD, just a software frontend that reads and displays the titles and talks to the VOD server is all that's needed. VOD is technically switched across 4 QAM's on my Comcast system. | |
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AR
Premium,ExMod 2001-04
join:2000-09-21
Toronto, ON
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| HD compression? Does this mean Comcast can now un-compress HD signals such that subscribers who want to watch shows in full HD quality can actually do that?
From what I understand, this is optimization of the last mile (edge router to STB) bandwidth. So wouldn't it be possible for the user to control what exact channels consume that bandwidth? | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: HD compression? said by AR :Does this mean Comcast can now un-compress HD signals such that subscribers who want to watch shows in full HD quality can actually do that? It could. But it will most likely mean MORE HD channels, which is what users are clamoring for. They are not clamoring for less compression.
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join:2000-09-21
Toronto, ON
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1 edit | Re: HD compression? Sure - but how does this really work? As an end user, am I told how many HD channels I can have in the last mile versus that plus X regular channels?
What I mean is, they add more HD channels, hold them at the edge router and I as a user control how many full signal,uncompressed channels stay active in the last mile pipe?
Think of it like DSL - your last mile is capped at X Mbps whereas before the CO, there's a OC-X pipe but content trickles down the X mbps capped pipe to your PC. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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| Re: HD compression? The TTL question still remains. There needs to be a concise policy on which takes precedent (re:bandwidth), vod or hd.
The market would come into play of course but I could see a clear cut in service when it comes to VOD and HD. Ex: are you going to have antiquated movies removed and offer less than popular HD channels because more people are demanding a certain video or want a specific channel?
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join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX
| I don't think there's a real chance of that if they actually deploy all of the channels as switched video. I don't think they have more than 200 households on a single node that will watch 200 exactly different channels at the same time  | |
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banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL | Scientific Atlanta? I see Motorola and Cisco are the two vendors providing these devices so far. Presumably the Cisco adapter will be deployed in Scientific Atlanta equipment areas?
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal | Re: Scientific Atlanta? Cisco bought Scientific Atlanta last year, so the Cisco model is actually from Scientific Atlanta.... | |
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banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL | Re: Scientific Atlanta? Cool, didn't know that. Thanks! | |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
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1 edit | bandwidth savings "exceeded 50%" In early trials, Time Warner Cable announced the bandwidth savings "exceeded 50%," so they've been aggressively deploying the technology. This suggests that since the bandwidth savings directly correlates with TV viewing habits, that more than 50% of the content that's being broadcast at any time of day (that you're paying for) is not being viewed. So, since this technology definitely results in a bandwidth savings and potentially lower power needed to distribute the content, will the consumer see a benefit? Lower costs? Unlikely. A greater ability for cable companies to track your viewing habits, absolutely! Lower consumer prices because they can more accurately target their viewing audience's viewing habits? Unlikely. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: bandwidth savings "exceeded 50%" Actually, you'll probably see price increases because the cablecos will need to purchase additional content that they can now distribute with their unused spectrum. | |
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| More SDV in Minnesota Cable Digital News recently reported that Comcast has added two more SDV trial markets in Minnesota. »tinyurl.com/57ojul
More on the Moto SDV adapter here: »tinyurl.com/6csu3r | |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | Will they be 100% free or will they slap you with a fee? Will they be 100% free or will they slap you with a fee?
The cable co can move to pushed VOD with there DVR's. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Will they be 100% free or will they slap you with a fee? said by Joe12345678 :Will they be 100% free or will they slap you with a fee? Free? hardly. nothing dealing with tivo will be free. as a tivo user you should know that by now. a nickle here a dime there...
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join:2007-02-21
Chicago, IL
1 edit | Re: Will they be 100% free or will they slap you with a fee? The adapter will not be coming from the folks at TiVo, it will have to be deployed to you by your FCO. Some are opting to offer them for free and others I'm sure will charge for them. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | this defeats the whole purpose I got a CableCARD tv to get away from boxes....so now my solution to "fix" cablecard is to get an adapter box.
this is so fucking retarded. | |
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join:2002-04-10
Waterford, CT
| Re: this defeats the whole purpose Yes, but this box is easily hide able behind your Cablecard device. It does not have a remote, or any need to be otherwise visible, stash it behind your TiVO, or back in the bundle of wires behind your entertainment center, and you are good to go.
It is also worth noting that these tuning resolvers will NOT work on a normal CableCard set, only on the TiVO Series3/HD (so far). | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: this defeats the whole purpose I assume these draw more power, therefore another outlet....seems like it's aesthetically somewhat of an obnoxious solution in an age where many audio/videophiles value a clean setup.... | |
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Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
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| Re: this defeats the whole purpose I dunno. Using a basic wallwart with wire nearly the size of human hair leads me to believe it's not using much power at all let alone 'more'.
If it uses 12V and not much amperage, why not tie it into the power supply of your tivo? Or get a real short extension and power plug splitter and use a single socket.
As much as you may want a 'clean' setup, NOTHING is going to use 0 power.
If it wasn't for Tivo doing everything in their power to avoid doing things 'right', they could have VERY easily put 2-way tuners in their boxes and implemented a resolver in software and avoid all this in the first place.
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join:2007-08-19
| Help Me Out Here Wouldja So the SDV allegedly frees up bandwith. Is there any quantifiable evidence of this theory? Why should I want one. Where is the Features-Advantages-Benefits of this device so I can make an intelligent decision as to whether it's even worth my time. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: Help Me Out Here Wouldja You'll want one when/if your cableco begins using SDV. Otherwise, use your cableco's STB or choose a different mechanism to receive TV. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| said by SilverSurfer :So the SDV allegedly frees up bandwith. Is there any quantifiable evidence of this theory? Why should I want one. Where is the Features-Advantages-Benefits of this device so I can make an intelligent decision as to whether it's even worth my time. That's not how it works- they can't just deploy SDV to one user, they have to deploy it to the entire system at once because of how the cable system works.
And of course SDV frees up bandwidth- let's say you have 20 SD channels, on a 5-1 compression that uses 4 channels. But if only ten of those channels are being watched at once, you only need to dedicate two channels on the coax, and have two open for other uses (more channels, more HD, DOCSIS 3 channel-bonding, etc.) | |
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| said by SilverSurfer :So the SDV allegedly frees up bandwith. Is there any quantifiable evidence of this theory? Why should I want one. Where is the Features-Advantages-Benefits of this device so I can make an intelligent decision as to whether it's even worth my time. That is if the cable co do SDV the right way by useing it for low use channels and keeping the high use ones on all the time. | |
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join:2006-04-28
San Antonio, TX
| SdV is used heavly in San Antonio The way the SDV works in San Antonio they cannibalized all the PPV, the west cost channels for HBO, Showtime, TMC, Max and Starz, and the sports package channels ie. NBA league pass, NHL center ice, ect. and put them on SDV. All new channels added after this are SDV now. So mainly all the newer HD channels. The only HD channels that are real channels are the local stations, TNT, Discovery HD theater. ESPN, Mojo, HD Net/Movies, Universal HD, HBO East, Showtime East. All other HD channels are SDV. As far as I can see they really did not eat any heavy use channels. | |
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| Re: SdV is used heavly in San Antonio said by TWCdude :The way the SDV works in San Antonio they cannibalized all the PPV, the west cost channels for HBO, Showtime, TMC, Max and Starz, and the sports package channels ie. NBA league pass, NHL center ice, ect. and put them on SDV. All new channels added after this are SDV now. So mainly all the newer HD channels. The only HD channels that are real channels are the local stations, TNT, Discovery HD theater. ESPN, Mojo, HD Net/Movies, Universal HD, HBO East, Showtime East. All other HD channels are SDV. As far as I can see they really did not eat any heavy use channels. why not put all of HBO, Showtime, TMC, Max and Starz on SDV there must be some area with very low use of them. | |
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