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 |  smitmor join:2004-04-10 Springhill, LA | Re: New uverse = old adsl I, too, am in an unupgraded market. We moved offices a couple weeks ago and had AT&T move the phone lines. When they did, they terminated our legacy DSL service. When I inquired about it, they told me that DSL was no longer available and I'd have to upgrade to U-Verse. I went along with it, but neither U-Verse voice nor U-Verse TV are available, only Internet. The "new" service is the same 3 meg service we've always had. Even the modem they sent is a plain old ADSL2+ modem. As far as I'm concerned, it's not U-Verse unless it's VDSL with TV and voice. I guess this is AT&T's way of making the public "think" they are improving things, without actually putting any money into the network. | |
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 |  |  nplnUs Army join:2000-07-17 Antioch, CA | Re: New uverse = old adsl
AT&T is calling anything and everything that connect to their U-verse "backbone Uverse! in your case, you got hooked up to an IPDSLAM at the central office. That equipment has no TV capabilities thus its just DSL. -- The Future is uncertain but the END is always near! Jim Morrison | |
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| Re: New uverse = old adsl Verizon is the same deal. I am in an area that will be one of the last ever upgraded. I supposedly can get 3.0 Mbps DSL. The problem with that is that the copper here is so old it won't even support 56k dial up over pots. In fact, my line has so much attenuation that adding more than 2 ringers to the line causes pots to drop.
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| Re: New uverse = old adsl Exactly the same which happened here,
I have recently been looking for a dsl provider to help cut costs but there just isn't any here because the copper here is so old and neglected.
I love how we spouted off about this for the past 5 years since fios started and now it's hurting the investors bottom line and they will complain about it, sorry but Im not going capped wireless, at this point i have even dumped some value added services on verizon wireless to get away from verizon. Tired of when a ceo has a vision and has a direction for the future the boards of this country dump them instead of embracing the future. We can not all live only for today we need to start developing for the future.
IVAN WE MISS YOU ALREADY ! -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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 |  dslwanterIt's comingPremium join:2002-12-16 Niles, OH Reviews:
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| AT&T tried to get me to sign up for "U-Verse Elite" at 6mbps for $24.95 a month or upgrade to "Elite DSL" for $43 at my 1 year last month. I threatened to switch to TWC and got a $19.99 "Elite DSL" promo. Why would I care to upgrade to U-Verse? I don't qualify for any package higher than "U-Verse Elite". I did qualify for "Max" at 12mbps at one time, but that option went away. 1 choice for a modem which I would have to pay $100 for.
I don't come close to the 150GB cap and I get to keep my good ol' Speedstream 4100 and Linksys WRT54G. -- Yeah, it's kind of like that. | |
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| Re: Not obsolete "...Nobody's using wireless for home with the per byte billing and low caps..." I personally know of 4 families who are dependent on cellular broadband. They use the Millenicom resell of Verizon. They all live with a limit of 20GB per month. They all live in areas with no cable or DSL service. They had either dial up or satellite. One family lives in an area filled with well to do horse owners and large horse pastures. In spite of the income those people have, AT&T and the cable company refuse to build high speed internet in those areas. AT&T did install a tower to handle some of the no cellular service problems in the area, so AT&T mobile broadband customers are getting much better service, at least as far as signal strength is concerned. Now if AT&T would reduce the cost per GB, getting broadband through them might be tolerable. | |
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| said by mlcarson:DSL is not obsolete as long as you're close enough. Agreed.
Here in San Francisco we have a local company Sonic.net who I believe is eating AT&T's lunch by those who hear about Sonic's Fusion package of ADSL2+ service package of internet, unlimited calling, custom calling features, and voicemail.
Like your example, I'm only 5,000' from the Central Office so I get great speeds (10.2Mbps); no usage caps, and it's much cheaper than anything Comcast offers.
Sonic's fiber to the home will eventually replace copper, but for now, ADSL2+ can work in densely populated areas if the local Bell company would provide it. | |
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| Re: Not obsolete If I understand Sonic.net correctly, they can bond two telephone lines together to double the data rate. So in your example you would normally get 5.1 Mbps on one line, but due to bonding of two lines you get 10.2Mbps. Or am I not understanding the various technologies Sonic.net uses. Or is the telephone line bonding something else. | |
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| Re: Not obsolete I want, I want, I want Sonic.net here in central Georgia. Bonding two lines would get me about 12 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload. I dread having to someday needing to switch to Cox cable to get higher data rates. And no cap threats. What a treat. We need more companies in the USA like Sonic.net for all kinds of services. | |
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| Re: Not obsolete Yes, Sonic is a great company.
ADSL2+ speeds drop off considerably depending distance to the central office, but I more than doubled my speed when I left AT&T DSL for Sonic's Fusion.
Getting back to the initial post, there is value to be found in using the old copper lines, if a company had the inclination.
It might be a smaller market for densely populated areas, but the equipment costs would have to be much less than digging up streets for FIOS, etc.
I just don't see myself ever using my Verizon LTE cellphone for internet browsing due to cost and data caps. | |
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| Re: Quite a dilemma.. said by redxii:Why get 1.5Mbps DSL when 107Mbps cable is available. I was in a Verizon area, and they said they didn't want to deploy FIOS anymore.
Poo on the telcos. Why have 107 Mbps if you are capped? The best thing att can do is drop the capping bs. They would become the best isp overnight compared to anyone that caps. -- ...brought to you by Carl's Jr. | |
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 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: AT&T is clueless This is why companies like AT&T sit on and squat spectrum though. if Comcast where able to buy spectrum they would not need deals with Verizon, they could build out their own cellular network. And in areas they service with Cable just use their own fiber backbone as the back feed for the tower. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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Comcast could buy Sprint. Comcast has decent management, a lot of cash, and a track record of updating technology. -- "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." | |
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 |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | I guess Muni-Fiber is no threat, then.... but why do they oppose it every time it's suggested? | |
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| When on of us asked why he said that Cable can't do a quad play. That's their mind set. They honestly think that as long as Cable can't offer wireless they are no threat. What do they think of the new quad-play cable industry partnership with Verizon Wireless? | |
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Who cares about quad-play? Nowadays, it's cheaper to get all the services unbundled anyways. Noone uses quad play, it's stupid and there are not even any incentives at all whatsoever. Sometimes bundling makes sense. I pay $55 for 10/1 and unlimited phone. | |
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 |  trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM join:2000-05-24 Cleveland, OH kudos:1 | Re: Nothing from AT&T I wouldn't say that about TWC. I have them and I wouldn't give them up for nothing. I have TWC Wideband service. | |
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| Re: Nothing from AT&T That would be Comcap and AT&Trash, although Time Warner tried and failed at hopping on board their bandwagon.
Right now Time Warner and Verizon are the last major providers with no bandwidth caps at this time. Comcap has had that 250 GB cap for almost 4 years now. | |
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Dealing with AT&T has been an exercise in frustration, with a trail of broken promises strewn over more than a decade. Meanwhile, with that kind of head start, Comcast has built a staggering 90% broadband penetration rate. -- Jeff Howe Jeff's Blog - »www.ostjournal.net | |
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 Frankis chillingPremium join:2000-11-03 somewhere | Most people dont even know the phone company exists anymore. I was looking at several different apartments in an area of another state that only has dsl recently and it seems nobody (including neighbors or rental office people) seems to know what the incumbent phone company even is. When asked they would all mention the name of the cable company.
In the state I live in now, everybody knows of verizon due to fios (most apartment buildings usually advertise the fact that they have fios and cable). | |
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| Stick a fork in DSL We've been with Verizon for ten years. It's been seven years with no upgrade in service. Waiting and waiting for Fios, but it seems like that bus is not coming anytime soon.
As much as I do not want to give TWC more money, we want fast Internet. 3M/768 is old news. | |
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| Re: Stick a fork in DSL said by legendNYC:We've been with Verizon for ten years. It's been seven years with no upgrade in service. Waiting and waiting for Fios, but it seems like that bus is not coming anytime soon.
As much as I do not want to give TWC more money, we want fast Internet. 3M/768 is old news. Gave up the wait two years ago. My DSL topped out @ 1.5/360. After Roadrunner going back to DSL would be like going back to dial-up. | |
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| consumers in the midwest this is a historical reality etched in consumer apathy and over time apathy will push consumers over time to the better broadband deal which is cable. will telcos do anything about losing subscribers to cable? doubt it-- until there are none left.
Maybe the DOJ will perk up and see the collusion between cable companies and telcos is bringing about a mix mosh of monopoly and duoplies which have the goal of jacking up the price of broadband no matter which service provider your with. This already happened with DIGITAL VOICE AND CABLE-TV... what's next for 2012? jacking up broadband prices as well! First, with wireless and then with wireline services. | |
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 elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | Pure Speculation Karl continues to beat the drum that DSL customers are bailing to Cable "in un-upgraded markets", without ever offering any data to back up his charge. | |
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| Re: Pure Speculation said by AndyDufresne:Just look at net adds for cable and net adds for telcos. Cable is coming out ahead regarding broadband internet connections. Now that cable has deal with Verizon and is only going to get worse for ATT. But there is no data indicating that even ANY of the "losses" are occuring in "un-upgraded" areas.
There are a half-dozen different ways to interpret the tea leaves. How does Karl know, that he can make such a claim? | |
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| Re: Pure Speculation said by ITALIAN926:Verizon has NET ADDS of interet connections, showing a large increase in FiOS subscribers, and major losses in DSL. How else can you interpret that? Youre not making any sense whatsoever. Did Verizon lose all of its DSL customers to Cable, or are all of their Fios adds brand new customers? How many DSL customers "cut the cord" entirely?
Net adds of Fios customers doesn't delineate where they came from. Net losses of DSL customers doesn't indicate where they went.
You're simply assuming a relationship that may not exist. | |
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| Its the same here in Canada. I was happily using my dsl in the previous city I lived in. It was running at 25mbps, they weren't enforcing caps, all good.
Then I move to a different city and they haven't rolled out the hardware in the area I live in, so its still 15mbps.
Meanwhile the cableco here offers speeds up to 100mbps (with plans to go to 250). I found the 50mbps package to be the sweet spot for me in terms of price and bandwidth.
How does the DSL provider here expect me to stay with them when the Internet from the cableco is some much faster? I'd consider staying on vdsl if it still offered 25mbps, but 15mbps.. meh. | |
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| If you don't build it, they won't come Lots of people around here are also jumping the DSL ship in favour of cable and the claimed better speeds.
But if you look, you can see that even with companies like Teksavvy that a great many like, you can find all sorts of bitching directed at service. Cable service.
I am on DSL and have absolutely no interest in going to cable regardless of the claims of better speed etc etc etc.
Party because it appears Cogeco only looks better than Bell only because I have never given them a means to screw me with lousy service long enough I suppose.
But until the cable situation is actually 'fixed' I am in no rush to join those paying for a good reason to be on a forum complaining.
DSL, it might not sound as good, but at least it works. | |
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| My situation, described perfectly Bode could have been writing about my experiences. Just last month I moved my access to cable after at least a couple of decades with ATT.
I used them for long distance just due to their reputation. Then, they came out with the One Rate cell plan and no one was even close. After Southwestern Bell did their merger, all of my eggs were in one basket with ATT.
I was the guy all my friends would ask for tech advice, and I strongly supported DSL over cable. Back then, there was a real advantage but ATT simply threw it away.
Not too long after they started the Uverse push, my DSL began getting worse and worse. Terrible pings, amazingly high latency with the request dying between hops, a mail server that a couple times of week wouldn't accept my credentials -- it got really bad.
A couple of months ago, I had Charter come in (yes, I know, but absolutely no problems yet) and connect me. I ran a consistent 30/4 against the inconsistent 6/.7 from DSL.
So as of this month, I no longer have any business with ATT. Wish they would have paid attention to the business they had. | |
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| want to raise prices? collude or invest telco is not colluding with cablecos to tame upgrades of acutal offered speed tiers.. no doubt the country COULD have had 100/100 megabits in 50% of the country by now offered by TWO carriers.. but AT&T dropped the ball on FTTP.
they could always change their minds.. but they'll keep swinging on that rope until it hangs them with a DOJ & Congressional drumbeats for the CEO's head on a platter that looked much like MCI worldcom's!! | |
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