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 |   a333 A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12 Corona, NY | Re: No problem complying means they will show congestion And we all know that Bell's new music store service, along with its speed updates, are a result of congestion... right. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :If Bell sees no problem complying with the order, then that means the data they will supply will absolutely show congestion. I will not go into the merits of your childish conclusion, but I think it is exactly what makes us honest people worry. I also have absolutely no doubt they will show congestion. I also have no doubt that the statistical data released will be completely unverifiable. | |
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 |   KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | If you've been following this issue, the throttling of third party ISP's has already been proven to not be a congestion issue-- they pay for their own bandwidth. Bell's just throttling the last mile. | |
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  Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC | News posting is a bit flawed... 1) The document wasn't confidential, just heavily redacted 2) The CRTC did not order Bell to reveal all of it, just three particular redacted sections 3) The CRTC is not a court, there is no "court order". | |
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Simmpy... | |
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| Re: Bell has bigger fish to fry - SCC gave OK to sale of Bell said by Bellundo :
The BCE deal is toast. No bank in the world will lend them money not at 10 percent or at 20 percent interest. They can sue and sue but it won't get them anywhere. The deal was doomed to fail from the start... end of story. Evidently the deal isn't doomed, as you claim.
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_···_sale_14
The last hurdle to the deal also looks to be gone as the banks said they would proceed with the deal. The banks are slated to provide billions in financing to complete what is a US$51 billion cash and debt takeover.
Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, Royal Bank of Scotland and Toronto-Dominion Bank, the four banks that have committed to financing the debt portion of deal, issued a statement saying they expect the transaction will close "in accordance with the Definitive Agreement between BCE and the sponsors. We continue to negotiate the financing documents in good faith with the sponsors and stand behind our original commitment to the transaction." -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: The CRTC didn't go far enough said by Maynard G Krebs :
The CRTC should have also ordered that CAIP (the complainant in this matter) should be allowed to install their own monitoring equipment (or contracted with an independent 3rd party eg. IBM or HP consulting divisions) for 30 days at up to 10 locations of their own choosing within Bell's network to verify the accuracy of Bell's numbers. Why is there any reason to assume any of the parties are acting in bad faith before the data even being disclosed? -- 09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0 | |
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| said by joako : Why is there any reason to assume any of the parties are acting in bad faith before the data even being disclosed?
Corporate Ethics 101 in 2008, thats why.
The lips are moving on the suits mouths, means the lies and BS are flowing!
Any data released is going to follow the simple rule:
You can make statistics say anything you want.
Even more so with business trick, er, operating procedure #1a bury agencies, the public, and watchdog groups in enough paper they probably won't find what they need before the deadline.
I am for an all out geek guerrilla raid on Bell and any other ISP pulling this crap and have a good beat down on some execs. -- Lorem ipsum ei pro stet equidem labores, at enim animal expetenda nec. Ea vix argumentum dissentiunt, usu esse ridens ex./ / Ban all copyright, trademarks, and IP laws! | |
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@teksavvy.com | What about Rogers??? What about Rogers?? They are pulling the same thing as Bell, they should put them both on the same block. | |
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join:2004-01-23 Richmond Hil | Re: What about Rogers??? Bell resellers buy their own bandwidth and therefore Bell doesn't have the right to throttle that bandwidth. Rogers resellers directly resell the cable internet service, Rogers bandwidth included, so when they throttle, it's part of the deal. | |
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| Bell LOSES EITHER way no if they prove congestion to the degree where they must shape to 5% of speed they were contractually obliged then it actually doesn't cut off at the knees anything.
In fact it gives positive proof for ANY class action lawsuit to prove they were grossly negligent and KNEW before hand that when you signed a contract that they could not fullfil it
Then it becomes what does 384Kbit cost on average aorund the world versus the cost that each user on the bell network pays. Then damages to that minus lawyer fee.
AND if they have say 6 million customers and have to pay back 1000 to each customer or even 500. That is from 3 billion to 6 billion.....
So in effect they could bumble this and let caip win or get mauled in some serious civil actions. Ya think what the choice will be?
Also it wold prove that bell stole canadian tax payer funds to build a network that it did not and that might even lead to some action by the gov't to recoup monies invested.
P.S. in effect it gives caip back what it paid for ( the cheaper option to bell and sympatico can shape its own people until they have no customers OR get at building that network up - going from 5 megabit accoutnsales to 7megabit also seems a bit stupid ) | |
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I'm so confused! | |
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