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TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | You have two chances to get rid of your ILECs...slim and none. | |
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@ccbcu.com | And the hammer comes down! BOOM!
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy i should go to the government and tell them its my right that I get a Mac for my computer. After all it doesnt get viruses so i'd be helping everyone. | |
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join:2003-11-11
St George Brant, ON
| There is no question that the group you have singled out is involved in this fight. However, I think it's a little short sighted to imply that they are the only group with something at stake with this issue, which is really larger and more fundamental than your comment would suggest. | |
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mrchris
America the pitiful
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY
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Is this all you care about the poor Telco and Cablecos and not the common people these days?? | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy said by mrchris  :@TK Junk: Is this all you care about the poor Telco and Cablecos and not the common people these days?? If by "common people", you mean music and movie thieves, then you are right - I don't care. But if you mean everyone else who pays higher prices to support the leaches, then I do care.
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy we should shut down the internet to protect the **AAs, then tax consumers and give the money to the telcos to make up for the lost revenue.
that's a win-win! (except for consumers).
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
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·Videotron
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by mrchris :@TK Junk: Is this all you care about the poor Telco and Cablecos and not the common people these days?? If by "common people", you mean music and movie thieves, then you are right - I don't care. But if you mean everyone else who pays higher prices to support the leaches, then I do care. Hello Mr.Troll!
I download Linux ISOs. I am not a thief yet i disapprove what these incumbent ISPs are attempting to do. Does this make me a thief that is trying to influence Internet policy ?
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy You're the troll for calling TK one. he said people WHO DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND MOVIES! Not Linux ISOs. Go read his post. | |
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join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy It's still not polite to comment on other download habbits. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy said by adisor19 :said by hottboiinnc :You're the troll for calling TK one. he said people WHO DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND MOVIES! Not Linux ISOs. Go read his post. Nice try. This is what he said : "All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves. Threaten to cut off their daily fix and they mobilize groups to restore their unlimited access to FREE content. God forbid anyone thwart their desires and off to court they go demanding their "rights"." He basically blames this anty ISP reaction on pirates and simply chooses to ignore the positive uses of P2P as i described in my post. A troll is a troll. Adi Constantly repeating a baseless accusation doesn't make it true. But many here think that if they yell loud enough and long enough it somehow will become true.
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realitybytes
join:2002-07-15
Canada
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| said by hottboiinnc :You're the troll for calling TK one. he said people WHO DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND MOVIES! Not Linux ISOs. Go read his post. ACTUALLY:this is whatTK wrote: All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves.
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Yep everyone on here as always is saying TK said something he didnt. HE said MUSIC and MOVIES he did not say anything about ISOs or anything else.
You guys need to learn how to read! Public libraries will teach you this. | |
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Dan
Professor Lava Hot
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join:2002-12-17
Eh?
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Well these "thieves" also tend to be the more tech savvy of us. They tend to not have white hair on their heads and green bills shoved up their arses.
So YES, the thieve have a great influence towards the web trends.
Here's the deal today, any web enabled pc can access youtube.com that handy site happens to have A LOT of music on it. Now I know your going to say, "Yea but...", here's the reality. UMG has starting putting their own music online. With just a few clicks almost any artist can be heard. Same applies for a few other sites too.
Personally I've not downloaded any music, as I've found most things on youtube.
Oh, since you can't return a cd, instead of sampling the cd in store, you download and listen at home. If you deem it worth a purchase, you proceed to the store and purchase it. If not, delete. | |
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join:2002-07-15
Canada
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| In YOUR opinion, after all opinions are like farts sometimes you can only stand the smell of your own brand.
But the point of the matter is throttled service affects everyone, I update my linux distro via torrent. I download public domain music off torrents all the time. I use you-tube, and many other bandwidth intense things. So how dare you say that those of us who want net-neutrality only do so to be able to download pirated materials!It is an uneducated, opinionated, and silly statement to make.
Cheers, and try not to make such a blanket statement in the future, it will spare you embarrassments, and flames next time 'round! Cheers | |
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Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy said by realitybytes :In YOUR opinion, after all opinions are like farts sometimes you can only stand the smell of your own brand. But the point of the matter is throttled service affects everyone, I update my linux distro via torrent. I download public domain music off torrents all the time. I use you-tube, and many other bandwidth intense things. So how dare you say that those of us who want net-neutrality only do so to be able to download pirated materials!It is an uneducated, opinionated, and silly statement to make. Cheers, and try not to make such a blanket statement in the future, it will spare you embarrassments, and flames next time 'round! Cheers I would be spared flames if posters followed site rules. Too much to hope I guess.
And if you read the post you would see that I didn't say that ONLY those who pirate want net neutrality. I did say that the Pirates want net neutrality, but made no mention of other groups.
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| Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy
TK - your statement attributes ALL of the angst about throttling to the pirates and thieves. Perhaps you should tone it back a bit as others did not misconstrue your statement. Use of a term like All instead of some or most is troll like behavior and would illicit the kind of remarks you received.
To set you straight, when you used the term ALL you did indeed say that only the pirates and thieves are involved. | |
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join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| If you TRUELY want to only pay for your own use and not the use of others you should be advocating per byte billing. Anything else is hypocrisy as per byte billing is the ONLY fair way to bill for exact amount of usage.
Personally I think you're damned selfish, we all pay for the use of others, you benefit from some, you don't on others. It's one of the aspects of living in a free open society with other people. If you only want to have to look out for yourself there are plenty of countries in this world that allow that Utopian paradise of every man for himself (Somolia being a prime example), most are rather sh!tty places to live but if it's what you want feel free to relocate. Otherwise just admit you're a self obsessed individual with no respect for your fellow species who'd rather not be a civilized member of a progressive society. | |
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Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
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| Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy said by rahvin112 :If you TRUELY want to only pay for your own use and not the use of others you should be advocating per byte billing. Anything else is hypocrisy as per byte billing is the ONLY fair way to bill for exact amount of usage. If you follow BBR front page stories on this subject, you would see that I have been pushing for per byte billing for at least a year or more. Ask anybody - I have been attacked for that very stance.
said by rahvin112 :Personally I think you're damned selfish, we all pay for the use of others, you benefit from some, you don't on others. And, of course, there is the PERSONAL attack - used by those who won't debate the issues.
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join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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| Is google a pirater too?
Theres no doubt google probably makes some money linking to BT sites, but 99% of their revenue comes from other searches, legit ones that I'm sure not even you can find a downside too. Yet theyre getting involved in this too...Why, for PR?
The non-narrow minded can see this is much more important then people getting their music fix. I'm sure your anti-BT thinking is well known on these boards... but to hate net neutrality all together? Come on...you can't be that narrow minded. | |
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| Open your eyes pal. You game? I do. Patches are coming out more and more exclusively via bittorrent. 800MB at 25KBps? have fun.
I use the internet for many different things. I stream, I download, I read, I listen, I chat, I send. This is the internet, period. Bell is degrading the one service it is selling. I don't condone downloading movies, but is it a big coincidence that they start throttling right before opening a storefront that deals in.. ddddd-dum.. movies?
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Money Money will prevail in the end. Everyone including the the Canadians can be bought.
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join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON | Bravo.. I hope something good comes about this.  | |
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join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON | Alphabet soup Oh great, another taxpayer funded ivory tower "think tank" trying desperately to justify their existence.
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| Re: Alphabet soup said by hurleyp :Oh great, another taxpayer funded ivory tower "think tank" trying desperately to justify their existence. They don't HAVE to justify their existence.
IF you happen to even spend 10-minutes of your time to check them out you will see they are active in many things that affect us regular Canadian citizens.
This is far from their only battle on YOUR behalf.
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join:2004-06-21
Mississauga, ON
| Ivory Tower Think Tank Ivory has been baned long ago and for good reason.
As for the tank, I hope and pray they actually have some effective munitions to blow the dreadnought ISPs out of the water.
Turn the cable/fibre backbone into a utility. Its a freaking cable and should be treated as such. It is a dedicated system with only 1 feed per customer, just like water, gas, sewer, hydro, et al. If they want to provide content then let them compete with everyone else on the planet or have em shot where they stand (not politically correct but I feel the Shadow of Putin/Bush over me today - the thought of Teddy and crew going down like Capone brings a tear of joy for some reason) | |
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join:2008-07-11
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·Look Communications
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| Can you say "AntiTrust" ??? 1) Microsoft has been fined billions of dollars for unfairly using it's position in the operating system market to defeat its competition in the applications market...secret API's that only MS knew about etc etc.
How is what Bell Canada is doing to indie ISP's any different?...they are using their upstream position to deliberately harm their competition.
2) "Deep Packet Inspection" ...how is what Bell Canada is doing to my packets in order to approve or disapprove of them going through the system any different than a Canada Post employee opening my snail mail to approve or disapprove of sending it through the system?...it's called 'Censorship' and it's a direct violation of free speech, not to mention rights of privacy.
3) I pay X dollars a month for Y Gigs of download at the rate of Z Megabits per second...if I stay inside my Y gigs, who's the hell's business is it what protocol, files, data is is the stream? Deliver what I paid for!
Bell Canada, enemies of freedom!...bust that company up now!! | |
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@shawcable.net
| ThrottlingSuxs Throttling needs to go. They already have monthly bandwidth caps to prevent bandwidth abuse. P2P is just another form of protocol for file transfer, and is used for both good and bad. (eg: FTP,Newsgroups,
IRC, and so on.) We seen the Newsgroups go, and there excuse to protect us from child porn. We have seen ports being blocked, and there excuse to protect us from spam. Did any of this actually work? No because the bad guys always find another way, while the good guys pay the price for it.
Whats is next? Throttling the entire Internet? Oh wait a min there already trying to do that. This is simply about nothing more than what makes the company the most money, while consumers pay the price. | |
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join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Advocates of Throttling and DPI Those that think that throttling is good, read this statement carefully.
I don't know what bell is up to. But Rogers does throttle anything they feel like it. The moment they figure out what you do most. It gets throttled.
They have throttled my port 27015. Port 27015 is used for a game called counterstike. In effect trying to transfer tcp packs and having to re transfer tcp packets due to failed corrupted tcp packets, it has raised my latency in game to a gross amount. Also increasing my bandwidth usage. Please some one from the pro throttling crowd how this is good for me? Or good for the network.
I have also noticed ftp is being throttled and inspected. I build websites, so there for I need to upload to servers(all websites I make are "LEGAL"). Its wonderful news when I spend hours uploading and then start testing out the websites to find out there is corrupted files. Bad read and right on the DPI? I think so. So I waste my time looking through hundreds of files to find out where it is corrupt and then do a re-write and have to upload again. Again please tell me how increasing my bandwidth and wasting hours and hours of my time is good for me.
I also don't like the idea of rogers looking in my packets and seeing private information such as banking and other on-line business transactions.
This all started in November 2007 for me. Rogers before then was amazing.
I now monitor what rogers does with my net using NNAgent. I love how it tells me when my packets are being affected.
When I first noticed the problem, rogers denied everything. I asked if they were throttling or using DPI technology. They said "no".
When I found the evidence, I talked to them again. I asked why are you using throttling practices on applications I use over your networks. They said we do not use them at all. Then they resorted to, are you getting your speed. I said technically no. I said I have a 10mb connection. and lets say I downloaded 10mb for 1 file and it reached top speed of 10mb. Lets say that for this instant to simplify things. That 10mb file is 1 packet. Now if that file has to be sent to me 300 times before it is correctly sent to me due to your throttling and DPI inspection failures. That means my service is running at 33kbps. They then said your still getting 10mbs. As you could imagine I am seriously P'Oed at rogers and their disregard for their customers.
In conclusion, when these company's see something you use alot, they will throttle it.
Why would people want to protect blatant anti trust corporations?
People who say its good here is a scenario for you.
You use bell per say. But you have yahoo mail. Bell feels that you are not visiting msn for your mail and decides that you should use MSN. They throttle you browsing of yahoo to a nice .01kbps. Or they use their DPI to falsify packets that means increasing your bandwidth tremendously.
Now you are the ones crying.
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