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Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA
 ·RCN CABLE
| Compared to South Korea? Are you kidding? COULD create a similar trend here in the US. WON'T is the better word. Not enough broadband penetration, and the speeds in most the areas isn't up to snuff.
I don't know what's so "less appealing" about the physical media. I can make backups, take DVDs to friend's houses (who may not have broadband, or a computer at all), and I like the extras that sometimes come with DVDs, like posters, or figurines, etc. | |
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
Premium
join:2002-07-30
Santa Maria, CA
clubs:  | Re: Compared to South Korea? Are you kidding? I will take a DVD any day over streaming media.
I am sure most people feel the same way. | |
| | | chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| Re: Compared to South Korea? Are you kidding? you feel like that because our current download options and ISP services do not support those options. But, I would prefer streaming media.
I have been using Movielink and Cinemanow and I like their services.(if they were just cheaper!!) Personally, I do not really care of owning DVDs.. once I see a movie I'm not really interested in seeing it again. I will love to pick from and stream DVD quality videos in a solid broadband connection any day, i just not a possibility today | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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August 9th, @01:30AM
| said by Omega  :I will take a DVD any day over streaming media. I am sure most people feel the same way. Yup.
Streaming media picture quality, for the most part, sucks compared to DVD's.
And since the same companies that provide internet access also sell TV and movies, or are eager to get into that business, they ain't gonna be motivated to increase internet access speeds high enough to enable quick downloads of high-quality movies. In Korea, government incentives and investment programs see to it that speeds are high, but in the U.S., regulators believe the best approach is to let corporations do whatever they want. | |
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owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Wichita Falls, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·AT&T Southwest
| Once, or rather, IF our speeds here in the USA Inc are fast enough that it would take longer and be less convenient to pick it up at the video store, it will become a trend.
Personally, I much prefer to have my DVD's cached on my media server so I can just click-and-play. If I could just download the movie in the same quality that DVD's have, I would be all over it. But today, an 8.4G download is going to take A WHILE. Plus, it would save me the hassle of ripping them.
I do own every movie I rip, just so you know. The hard copies just collect dust and my Denon $2500 universal player has been relegated to DVD audio and SACD duty pretty much exclusively.
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join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON | Re: Compared to South Korea? Are you kidding? How did you manage to pay 2500 bucks for something made by deno. If denon made new cars they'd probably sell for less than 2500 apiece. | |
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owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Wichita Falls, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: Compared to South Korea? Are you kidding? What the hell are you talking about? The high end Denon's are knocking on the door of $4k. This is NOT what you find at Best Buy. But if your happy with a $200 Samsung, more power to you (I have 10 times more than that invested in cables). Some of us go through great lengths and great expense to achieve our audio/video nirvana. It's a hobby, not unlike any other.
»www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails···gers.asp
Sure Denon has their el-cheapo $150 players but that's not even in the ball park of what I'm talking about. If you start talking about a player that weighs 40 pounds with Faroudja or DVDO processing, Burr-Brown DAC's and will play every media on the market (and some most have never heard of), then you are getting the idea.
It all comes down to the source. You can have the best amps, speakers, subs, etc on the market but if you have a sh!tty source, you get sh!tty performance. When just your amps are in the thousands, a $2500 player is actually a little on the low end. It would probably disgust you even further to know that the cables connecting the Denon to the preamp cost a little more than the Denon did. Hell, just the amplifiers cost almost three times as much. There are some amps out there, mono-block single channel, costing over $100k.
All things considered, my system, costing as much as a brand new Range Rover, is really on the mild side in the Audiophile kingdom. Besides, I prefer the Lincoln Navigator and already have one of those.
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| | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| OnDemand would be more likely to replace DVD then broadband feeds ever will. computer at most has a 30in screen and no dolby digital output(from what i hear windows drivers arent capable of true DD). while TVs scale alot higher then 30in, and HTPCs wont really catch on imo, good for computer nuts but the avg person doesnt want to boot up their TV.
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| | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Re: Compared to South Korea? Are you kidding? You should look into HTPC's a little more as you do not seem to be very informed. | |
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Goober
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
·WOW Internet and C..
·Comcast
| Re: DVDs... meh said by dadkins :After I see a movie, I RARELY wish to watch it again. Kinda like reading a book the second or third time...  Most new movies aren't worth watching anyways.  If there was a realistic pricing scheme, many people would just download the movies. But seeing as the Movie Industry is DRMing the hell out of movie download services(ala Movielink, etc.)... movies have lost their appeal almost all together. Price for Blue-Ray drives and media will need to drop drastically before it really takes off. But then again, DRM is the killer. Yeah, I don't watch movies more than a single time. But, my kids do, and they like watching them in the car or at the grandparents. So, for us DVD media is important.
At home, I rip DVDs to xvid and store them on a multimedia server. My kids wirelessly stream the Xvids through a modded Xbox running XBMC.
So, for other than portability reasons, I would say the demise of DVDs is not a big deal. | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | Get Netflix.
How hard is Netflix? | |
| | | Westofhere
join:2005-04-07
Monroe, WA | Re: DVDs... meh preach it brother. | |
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sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA | Its fast but takes over 24 hours.
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: DVDs... meh So does an 8.4 GB download. What's your point?
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dadkins
Merry Whatever
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: DVDs... meh said by RadioDoc :So does an 8.4 GB download. What's your point? Not at 1MB/sec or higher. 
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: DVDs... meh Well, almost nobody has those speeds. Consider yourself lucky.
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dadkins
Merry Whatever
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: DVDs... meh 8mbps(8800kbps or ~1MegaByte per second) is the norm for Comcast "Gold" speeds.
1MB/sec x 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 2.5(hours).... well, you see what I'm getting at.
DVDs are nothing!
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sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA
| said by RadioDoc :So does an 8.4 GB download. What's your point? No it doesnt (in many cases), I can get that much in under 5 hours plus MPEG2 is nothing special anymore, look at the HD-DVD and Bluray video encoding technologies. Considering how Comcast is one of the larger ISPs in the nation there are a lot of people who can download at my speed and dont forget to mention the ISPs with similar speed. Hell, a 1mbps connection should be able to do it within 20 hours, that basically means you can get a full featured DVD9 movie every day (a lot of the time movies arent even 8.4 gB, not to mention you could strip out all the unnecessary crap like this) and you can stay on your ass the whole time. Also, a 1.4 to 2.0 gB XVID can also do the job fine with 5.1 sound if you dont need a 1080i/p picture.
Bring on the Netflix Set-top box.
Bleh whatever, my crap post I will leave.
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: DVDs... meh The "unnecessary crap" is the primary reason to get the DVD. The movies themselves are rarely that compelling.
Who wants to drag around a computer to watch movies on, either?
Whatever floats your boat...
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sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA
| Re: DVDs... meh said by RadioDoc :The "unnecessary crap" is the primary reason to get the DVD. The movies themselves are rarely that compelling. Who wants to drag around a computer to watch movies on, either? Whatever floats your boat... Do you drag around your DVD Player too? Its called a Media Center PC and you can get them special form factors but I wasnt hoping for that. I really would like an affordable Netflix Set-Top box thats simple enough for anyone to use and has all the Home Theater connectors.
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: DVDs... meh Yeah, I take a small portable DVD player with me and watch on that instead of the computer. Far longer battery life, better user interface, much smaller (helps on airplane tray tables) and much easier to carry.
And...much cheaper to replace when something happens to it while travelling.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·Packet8
| said by dadkins :After I see a movie, I RARELY wish to watch it again. Kinda like reading a book the second or third time... Most new movies aren't worth watching anyways. You really need to look into non-Hollywood and older movies.
I cannot imagine someone wouldn't want to see movies like 'Seven Samurai' or 'Dolce vita' or 'Paris, Texas' or 'Sunshine' or even 'Blue int the face' etc again...
Even some older Hollywood titles are great movies. Current one sux tho, I fully agree.
If there was a realistic pricing scheme, many people would just download the movies. But seeing as the Movie Industry is DRMing the hell out of movie download services(ala Movielink, etc.)... movies have lost their appeal almost all together.
Price for Blue-Ray drives and media will need to drop drastically before it really takes off. But then again, DRM is the killer.
Agreed. | |
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Antadad
@12.0.x.x
| DVD's have been dead to me for years. I have 1.6 Terabytes of media at this point (all downloaded). It sits on one box and is hosted to every terminal in my house including my two televisions. Browse to the program, click, a few seconds later your show / music starts. My wife and kiddo use it with ease (neither have any tech expertise). At this point we call it 'our little television station'(with the notable exception that there are no commercials ever). The idea of scheduling my life around what show comes on at 8 is demeaning. I haven't had cable television in years and don't miss it a bit. The idea of buying a DVD at this point is absurd. That's where I'm at. | |
| tdkyo
join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY
| VOD dominance also killed DVD Korea also has an extensive VOD service that has been running for YEARS. A lot of Korean TV networks have been offering free/fee-based VOD for online viewers to view any (almost all) TV episodes that was aired on TV. I know the article is focusing on movies, but I wanted to add this thought also. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| The Dot-Com Did not bomb in Korea, so it is not suprising what is happing there. More power to them. 
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Mellville
@uni2.es
| Re: The Dot-Com "Did not bomb in Korea" means what? Maybe what's happening in Korea has something to do with the fact that we did certain bombings there. Anyway, I don't find your remark to be specially fortunate...  | |
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Kxpuc
join:2004-05-04
Houston, TX
| Re: death of DVD? said by hayabusa3303 :THe death of it has been going on for sometime now. With HD-DVD and Blu-ray i dont think it will matter. With prices $600 or more for players and 1000 for recorders i dont see it happening in the near future. With HD-DVD and blu-ray it will take alot of bandwidth just to download one movie at what 25gigs. vs what 5 dvd's to the same room. Even if you had 100mbps speed. i get tired of hearing about the price of the player and disc it's so typical they are high just look at anything in the past when it first came out. VCR, mobile phones, cars, etc | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Which is exactly the rub. "I don't know what's so "less appealing" about the physical media. I can make backups, take DVDs to friend's houses (who may not have broadband, or a computer at all), and I like the extras that sometimes come with DVDs, like posters, or figurines, etc."
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"After I see a movie, I RARELY wish to watch it again."
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"Price for Blue-Ray drives and media will need to drop drastically before it really takes off. But then again, DRM is the killer."
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There are too many uses for CD media of all types and it is not likely to go bye, bye any time soon. Especially when one can record his own.
Price has allways been the deciding factor. Especially when you observe that in many cases, the success of something depends on how well the bleeding edge freeks are willing to shell out their cash.
"Blu ray", etc, is just the newest step in the same tired marketing game that the computer and peripheral makers have been using since the beginning: More capacity, more speed, or, ideally, both.
Dont get me wrong: In most cases this is a good thing because we end up getting more for less, but only if we wait to buy till the upgrade freek/corporate market has forced the prices down to a more reasonable range. IF, of course they even do.
Well, with CD media, speed is out because of proven physical constraints and that leaves only more capacity, just like with the hard drives today. Packing more on a drive/CD is the only way they can keep prices up and sooner or later they will run into physical restraints, just as Inttel and AMD seem to have done with CPU speed vs heat, etc.
Besides, if streaming ever does get a good foothold, what makes anyone think the people who rip and record today wont tomorrow? CD medis IS, after all, the best way to store media and data.
I dont know why everyone insists on comparing the U S to south Korea. It's stupid and meaningless, just because of sheer size alone, let alone anything else, like individual cultures. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
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August 8th, @07:48PM
| Re: Which is exactly the rub. said by Fatal Vector :
I don't know why everyone insists on comparing the U S to south Korea. It's stupid and meaningless, just because of sheer size alone, let alone anything else, like individual cultures.
This is true when comparing how people do things in different countries. What we think what people do in another country is wierd, those people think is normal and part of everyday life. I bet some South Koreans think we are wierd for some of things we do in the U.S.
My point in comparing the U.S. to South Korea is, they invested early in broadband and the U.S. is taking it's ol sweet time. It would be more like how Europe had 150mph trains for years and the U.S is just catching up. | |
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| I'd love bluray and HDDVD, but.. You know it'll be locked down so much you won't be able to play it on a computer, which is what my hifi and HD monitor is hooked up to. Dare I try to rip TV episodes and movies off of them so I can play them on my PMP either, I'm sure they'll make a criminal out of people who do that also.
I doubt they'll be interesting formats.
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| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| so goes Korea, so goes the world? I don't buy this crap that S. Korea is the test case for ultra-wide broadband's affect on society, or other technologies such as the dvd. The industry is not concerned about making a product that pleases would-be pirates of the internet, now would they? Not if the video and audio recording industries have any say about copyright law/drm rearing their ulgy head in the technology, at which point, they become DOORSTOPS, PAPERWEIGHTS, IRAQ POLICY, BP Amoco's AK pipeline, etc. | |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | ... dvd still here lol... South Korea has alot more fiber and speed compared to US on the whole | |
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
·Speakeasy
| interesting... I wonder if H.264 can be used to send TV across the internet. When I was watching the Apple Keynote I noticed it was encoded in H.264 but it used more than half the bandwidth than it was on other keynotes. Smaller size but you need more processing power.
So how high can you encode video to be HD quality to pass across H.264? 3MB/sec??? Maybe less maybe more anyone who encodes video or has some more knowledge about it care to pitch in?
By the way sorry if off-topic. | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Levittown, PA
| Hey, what's old is new again! You say the VHS is Dead?
Oh, yeah, DVD (and dvr) replaced it!
You say Antenna is Dead?
Oh, yeah, cable replaced it!
You say movie theaters are dead?
Well, um, on-demand Cable will replace it!
You say DVD is dead?
Well, um, streaming net video will replace it!
Doubtful. It's like broadcast over a controlled tube!
Its not new! Its old branded new at a price!
(I hate streammmmmingvideo. Itttt lookssss like vaseline on a tv screennnn with artiiiifacts) | |
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Nuhaus
@sympatico.ca
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dadkins
| Re: Hey, what's old is new again! It's not streaming video, it's the entire DVD downloaded in a few hours over an 8mb connection. Why walk to the video store when I can have 5 movies downloaded overnight? | |
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Broadband and the Death of the DVD
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