Broadband EnvyIs the United States falling behind? ( old news - 01:34PM Friday Jul 16 2004) tags: competition · coverage · worldIt's hard not to be envious when you see Japan deploying 100Mbps fiber connections for a measly $41, while regulatory battles, geography, and a lack of ample competition keep American broadband relatively slow, expensive, and under-deployed. Mike Langberg of the Mercury News suggests our broadband failings are over-stated, and that we should trust in Michael Powell and his plans of industry deregulation. One of the individuals quoted is AOL's broadband president Lisa Hook, who suggests "It's an ego thing more than an economic issue." Of course, Hook called broadband "a side issue" in a 2002 Washington Post Interview, and suggested "narrowband is going to be around forever".
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clubs: | Re: unfortunately.... narrowband will be around forever? riiight | |
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Motorhead5
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| This is a great country When someone can get a job as "broadband president" and say something completely stupid like that. That's like being Ford Motors' president of internal combustion development and then saying "the horse and buggy will be around forever."
I remember when Lisa Hook made the "forever" statement. My response at that time was, "narrowband will certainly be around forever...with an attitude like that." Obviously, with her new statement about ego versus economics, she's sill got the wrong attitude.
Hey, Lisa Hook: this isn't about economics? Where has AOL's subscriber base been going? And the profit from their business? To BROADBAND, maybe? Maybe??? | |
| | | dosbubba
join:2002-01-26
Eustis, FL
| Re: This is a great country said by Motorhead5  :
When someone can get a job as "broadband president" and say something completely stupid like that. That's like being Ford Motors' president of internal combustion development and then saying "the horse and buggy will be around forever."
The horse and buggy is still around. There are always markets for old technology, it rarely goes away, just shrinks to a shadow of what that market was. | |
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IGGY
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Chatham, IL
| Yes this is a great country. But we are supposed to be one of the most technically advanced nations on this earth. Yet nations that are supposedly less advanced are kick our tail in regards to broadband. No I'm not saying Japan is less advanced. But many would consider North Korea to be. Yet they have better pricing and speeds for broadband. It's just like how many nations have had high speed rail for years. Yet the supposedly most advanced country on this planet - the US of A is still using diesel engines and old track technology. As a nation we are lagging behind others. Yes we need money for many things - yes everyone wants these things - but won't pay for them with taxes etc. But advances in technology help everyone - of all economic and social groups. It's time the USA started being a leader again and not a follower. Used to be we set the standard. Now everyone else seems to. Even Britain and Canada are starting to show us up.
I've been ranting this very topic for years now. Companies are to self centered and no longer have any national pride!!
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clubs: | Re: This is a great country quote:
Even Britain and Canada are starting to show us up.
What are you trying to say? You are 'better' than us ? | |
| | | | | DVOOR8
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| Re: This is a great country said by Improfane :
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Even Britain and Canada are starting to show us up.
What are you trying to say? You are 'better' than us ?
I dont know if we are "better" but do you see people from the US moving to Canada and Britan the way people from Canada and Britan come here? | |
| | | | Mark Rejhon
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| >>But many would consider North Korea to be. Yet they have better pricing and speeds for broadband.
Don't you mean South Korea?
There's almost no Internet at all in North Korea. (Well, some, but reserved for the elites there.) South Korea is the country with good relations with USA and some parts of your computer may actually be manufactured there. North Korea is the one on the 'terror sponsor' list. | |
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platinumsun
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Spring, TX | Of course we're falling behind... This will only get better once the companies realize the massive potential in fiber and greatly deploy it.. | |
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Youngsville, PA | Re: Of course we're falling behind... And that potential is? What justifies such a high expense?
Enlighten the masses? | |
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| Re: Of course we're falling behind... let me ask you something..
are you content with having the same thing forever or do you like change?
That would be the main reason for deploying it, new technology, new applications, ideas, reasoning, things we haven't thought of yet.. | |
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| Re: Of course we're falling behind... That still does not help the corporate people with the money understand your point. There is no good reason to spend money on something we have not thought about yet, at least looking at it as a business model.
I think the new applications, ideas, reasoning and the things we have not thought of yet need to be in place before the people with the money (which is an INVESTMENT for them) can justify spending that kind of cash. | |
| | | | rip_sketches
join:2002-05-25
Dallas, GA
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| Hell, alot of people would LOVE to have their dialup changed over to some sort of broadband option. But it ain't happened yet.
So no need to start putting the cart before the horse here. I wouldn't expect to see any type of massive fiber rollout until every penny can be had by selectively selling cable/dsl for the next decade. Maybe in some trials and high tech urban areas will fiber be avail, but don't expect fiber to be rolled out at the pace dsl/cable was 2 years ago.
Heck my brother moved into a new house 14 months ago in Florida, and i chatted with the Bellsouth Tech there installing his phone service. My brothers sub is completely wired for Fiber. But the tech said it wasn't even on the books to start rolling out a fiber trunk line into that area for another 10-15 years. | |
| | | | Beeper
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clubs:
| said by platinumsun :
are you content with having the same thing forever or do you like change?
If it does the job, why change?
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| Re: Of course we're falling behind... That's just it....dial-up isn't cutting it! Telco's and Cable co's need to expand their coverage. There are way too many people begging for BB that cannot have it b/c they are too cheap to expand it. Fiber is just a dream b/c these companies are too tight w/the money.
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| | | | | | Beeper
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| Re: Of course we're falling behind... said by evoxfan :
That's just it....dial-up isn't cutting it!
Don't you mean dial up isn't cutting it for you?
Dial up accomplishes the job just fine for millions of others.
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tadmaz
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Mount Prospect, IL
| yea If providers can get millions of subscribers to pay $50 for measley cable and dsl, they won't spend any more of their money to get people faster internet. It's quite simple actually, if you were in their shoes, you'd keep a product that millions would buy, right? | |
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Morac
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Riverside, NJ
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| Re: yea Broadband should never have been defined as 256 kbps.
In all fairness though, The U.S. is much larger physically than Japan. To wire the entire country for fiber would be very very expensive.
That said, many cable companies and some phone companies have already run fiber nearly everywhere up to but not quite reaching homes. I guess they have no incentive to do so.
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| | | achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: yea said by Morac :
In all fairness though, The U.S. is much larger physically than Japan. To wire the entire country for fiber would be very very expensive.
I think that is the point that many Americans tend to miss. In Japan, buildings in major cities are so stacked, that running fiber is easy.
Here, in the US, we tend to deal with larger lots, more room between buildings, etc...
And, as you said, a far greater geographical area.
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Nightfall
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| Re: yea said by achuchma :
said by Morac :
In all fairness though, The U.S. is much larger physically than Japan. To wire the entire country for fiber would be very very expensive.
I think that is the point that many Americans tend to miss. In Japan, buildings in major cities are so stacked, that running fiber is easy.
Here, in the US, we tend to deal with larger lots, more room between buildings, etc...
And, as you said, a far greater geographical area.
Personally, I like that extra space. I don't know how many people here have been to Japan, but it is very crowded. You don't get hardly any space to yourself. I like my house, but I couldn't get a 3 bedroom house with a basement in Japan. Space is such a consideration. Which is why it is also cheaper to deploy broadband and fiber.
Speaking of deploying fiber, it is very expensive. Some of our company plants have fiber running about 500 feet to other sides of the plant. A 500 foot run of fiber alone is upwards of $2000! The fiber modules can run thousands as well. Even if you get cat5e tranceivers, those are not cheap either. I think our last ones costed us $750 for both ends. Fiber modules are about $750-$1000 for our switches and that is each module.
Not cheap that is for sure.
Maybe they should come up with a deal. If you have fiber running near your house, you can pay up to have it run to your house. Lets say you are 250 feet away. Cost to run the fiber will be $1000, plus you have to pay for the transceivers or fiber modules. Who here would plunk down $2000 up front for fiber to their home plus about $100 a month for service? I might be tempted...but I don't know many home users who would even consider that. Heck, we can't even get normal users to get off dialup when DSL alternatives exist for $27 in their area. :P
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| | | | | achuchma
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| Re: yea said by Nightfall :
I don't know how many people here have been to Japan, but it is very crowded. You don't get hardly any space to yourself.
"Very crowded" is an understatement. Night clubs in Chicago get very crowded on Friday night...Japan is insanely crowded.
said by Nightfall :
Speaking of deploying fiber, it is very expensive. Some of our company plants have fiber running about 500 feet to other sides of the plant. A 500 foot run of fiber alone is upwards of $2000! The fiber modules can run thousands as well. Even if you get cat5e tranceivers, those are not cheap either. I think our last ones costed us $750 for both ends. Fiber modules are about $750-$1000 for our switches and that is each module.
Exactly....and that was just inside a building. Think of all the costs involved in an outside deployment. Add permits and levies to all that, you are looking at one hell of a price tag!
said by Nightfall :
Maybe they should come up with a deal. If you have fiber running near your house, you can pay up to have it run to your house. Lets say you are 250 feet away. Cost to run the fiber will be $1000, plus you have to pay for the transceivers or fiber modules. Who here would plunk down $2000 up front for fiber to their home plus about $100 a month for service? I might be tempted...but I don't know many home users who would even consider that. Heck, we can't even get normal users to get off dialup when DSL alternatives exist for $27 in their area. :P
You are probably one of the very few that would....
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| | | | | Nightwchtr
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Falls Church, VA | Agreed I think there are many people out there that would be willing to pay the extra money to have fiber to there house. I certainly would. | |
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technick
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| said by Nightfall :
Maybe they should come up with a deal. If you have fiber running near your house, you can pay up to have it run to your house. Lets say you are 250 feet away. Cost to run the fiber will be $1000, plus you have to pay for the transceivers or fiber modules. Who here would plunk down $2000 up front for fiber to their home plus about $100 a month for service? I might be tempted...but I don't know many home users who would even consider that. Heck, we can't even get normal users to get off dialup when DSL alternatives exist for $27 in their area. :P
With that line of thought if I paid x amount to have fiber, than when I moved to a new location I can take what I paid for with me? Also will I get a discount from the provider I go with since I purchase additional equipment?
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| Re: yea said by technick :
said by Nightfall :
Maybe they should come up with a deal. If you have fiber running near your house, you can pay up to have it run to your house. Lets say you are 250 feet away. Cost to run the fiber will be $1000, plus you have to pay for the transceivers or fiber modules. Who here would plunk down $2000 up front for fiber to their home plus about $100 a month for service? I might be tempted...but I don't know many home users who would even consider that. Heck, we can't even get normal users to get off dialup when DSL alternatives exist for $27 in their area. :P
With that line of thought if I paid x amount to have fiber, than when I moved to a new location I can take what I paid for with me? Also will I get a discount from the provider I go with since I purchase additional equipment?
Well, that is like my company thinking they could take the fiber with them when they leave. I would have to say...why not? You paid for it. I can't see us leaving behind 500 feet of fiber if we left one of our plants. That is expensive wiring. As for the discount, I don't see any reason why not.
All this is just a big "what if" scenario obviously. The main point I was trying to make is why you won't see FTTH anytime in the near future. It isn't like it runs through wiring that is already in the home. You are looking at an INCREDIBLE expense of money and time to run the fiber to your home. Especially if you have lit fiber already within 400 feet of your home. You think 400 feet is very close, but the wiring and equipment to do the job costs thousands of dollars.
That along with the fact that people are so unwiling to pay for high end broadband for a premium price. Heck, we can't even get people to pay $45 a month without complaining about something. Then we have the users on dialup AOL with a extra phone line when they have DSL alternatives for $25-$30 a month in their area. 
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| | | | JimmySask
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Regina, SK
| Geography has nothing to do with it. I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, population: =/- 1,000,000. Geographically, we are roughly twice the size of most states in the US. Why does this matter? The Telco here has at LEAST 1.5/384 ADSL to roughly %80 of the population, and has just announced that they will now be expanding to even more remote rural areas, via wireless broadband @ 2mbps/128kbps. Not blazing speeds, but because they use land-based towers,it is lower latency than satellite, and far better than dialup. If they can get service to that many people, in an area so geographically spread out that roughly %50 of our population is considered rural, and as a company still post excellent profits, why can't anybody else? | |
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Nightfall
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| Re: yea said by JimmySask :
Geography has nothing to do with it. I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, population: =/- 1,000,000. Geographically, we are roughly twice the size of most states in the US. Why does this matter? The Telco here has at LEAST 1.5/384 ADSL to roughly %80 of the population, and has just announced that they will now be expanding to even more remote rural areas, via wireless broadband @ 2mbps/128kbps. Not blazing speeds, but because they use land-based towers,it is lower latency than satellite, and far better than dialup. If they can get service to that many people, in an area so geographically spread out that roughly %50 of our population is considered rural, and as a company still post excellent profits, why can't anybody else?
First, the government has to make a dedication to rolling this broadband out. Either that or a cable/dsl company has to foot the bill for it. That is part of the problem as I see it. I know a lot of areas that don't even have cable TV much the less broadband due to the fact it is so rural. Why should DSL/cable providers run services all the way out there if they only get one customer or two? It makes no sense to them.
Really, it all comes down to money.
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| | | | | | JimmySask
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Regina, SK
| Re: yea Exactly! The company I mentioned has been expanding to most communities with population of X, obviously the most profitable ones first. I think the latest bit in the paper said that any community of 150 ppl or more has DSL now. After that, most things that are smaller are a money losing proposition. Hence the wireless, Each tower with a range off approx 30km, LOS. | |
| | | | | achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| said by JimmySask :
Geography has nothing to do with it. I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, population: =/- 1,000,000. Geographically, we are roughly twice the size of most states in the US. Why does this matter? The Telco here has at LEAST 1.5/384 ADSL to roughly %80 of the population, and has just announced that they will now be expanding to even more remote rural areas, via wireless broadband @ 2mbps/128kbps. Not blazing speeds, but because they use land-based towers,it is lower latency than satellite, and far better than dialup. If they can get service to that many people, in an area so geographically spread out that roughly %50 of our population is considered rural, and as a company still post excellent profits, why can't anybody else?
Rolling out DSL and rolling out fiber are two completely different things.
For DSL, the only equipment upgrades required are DSLAMS in the CO, and remote DSLAMS at remote areas.
Fiber, however, requires digging up the ground to lay brand new cable. All the new equipment required for that line (no, fiber is not one long cable from point A to point B - Fiber uses tons of equipment), upgrading the CO to support a fiber connection, and so on.
With DSL, the lines are already there...
Here's a thought for you...It costs a Customer roughly $75,000 to have a fiber line laid between our POP and their office that is only 5 miles away. That is the very reason why FTTH is far off in this country.
Geography has everything to do with it.
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| | | | | johnh123
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| said by JimmySask :
Geography has nothing to do with it. I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, population: =/- 1,000,000. Geographically, we are roughly twice the size of most states in the US. Why does this matter? The Telco here has at LEAST 1.5/384 ADSL to roughly %80 of the population, and has just announced that they will now be expanding to even more remote rural areas, via wireless broadband @ 2mbps/128kbps. If they can get service to that many people, in an area so geographically spread out that roughly %50 of our population is considered rural, and as a company still post excellent profits, why can't anybody else?
Do they face a lot of wireline competition up there? Do they face a lot of competition from cable internet?
Its easy to do these things as a monopoly provider, but you are putting all of your eggs in one basket. Look at the mess much of the rest of the world is in with their choice of GSM. I'd rather have more options and get to the better solution in the end. | |
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asdfdfdf
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| I'm curious.
How do many of you square the claims that government shouldn't be involved in broadband build out and that we should let the market work, with your incessant claims that it is not economically feasible to build out in many areas of the country because population density isn't high enough, which is another way of saying that the market is not going to deal with this(even though costs have been dropping over the last decade, they never seem to drop enough to make the business case for build out).
Is the market going to be able to provide the infrastructure necessary for 21st century economic activity or is it not?
Should we simply say that the have nots are shit out of luck and tolerate the development of the digital divide? | |
| | | | | achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: yea said by asdfdfdf:
How do many of you square the claims that government shouldn't be involved in broadband build out and that we should let the market work, with your incessant claims that it is not economically feasible to build out in many areas of the country because population density isn't high enough, which is another way of saying that the market is not going to deal with this(even though costs have been dropping over the last decade, they never seem to drop enough to make the business case for build out).
Is the market going to be able to provide the infrastructure necessary for 21st century economic activity or is it not?
Should we simply say that the have nots are shit out of luck and tolerate the development of the digital divide?
The problem is capitol. Yes, Japan may be leaps ahead of the US, but people do not live on 1/4 or great acre lots in Japan's cities.
Even in the most crowded US cities, there is still plenty of space to cover. And that is the issue.
While fiber and equipment may have gotten cheaper, it still costs money, a lot of it...
Do you realize that there are still parts of this country that do not have POTS service? While high speed internet may be nice, it is not something that we need to go into serious debt about, not to mention the costs involved.
Remember that Japan is only the size of one of our largest States of the Union. The costs involved in deployment would very easily push your monthly rate for such a service in the upper $100 - $200 range.
Is this something you are willing to pay? Is this something Joe User is willing to pay?
More than likely not. Hence, bad investment.
Companies are in business to make money. If a business venture does not yield a good return, it is a failure.
Businesses try to avoid ventures that cost tons of money and has no return.
I also feel the same about using my tax dollars to build such a network. There are plenty of other things my tax dollars need to be spent on before everyone and their brother gets a 100MBPS fiber line to their home.
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| | | | | Beeper
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| said by asdfdfdf:
Should we simply say that the have nots are out of luck and tolerate the development of the digital divide?
Yes.
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| said by asdfdfdf:
Is the market going to be able to provide the infrastructure necessary for 21st century economic activity or is it not?
Should we simply say that the have nots are shit out of luck and tolerate the development of the digital divide?
Cogent argument, well said.
Wireless Broadband.... operating in the 700 MHz portion of the spectrum... and mesh networks.
Yes we are going to be able to provide the infrastructure.
If it is not cost effective to lay the wires, then don't.
The system is already heterogenious. That is not going to change. What we will be doing is using the most appropriate technology at the most appropriate place.
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| | | | | | stunod2002
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Carol Stream, IL
| Why deploy a new technology when there is still an ample of $$ to be made out of DSL.... The Bell companies will not deploy new stuff until it is absolutely necessary...
Good example,
DSL only started to become widely available when the cable companies started taking their core business away..
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X
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Sacramento, CA | Yes, silly -_- We are behind, and will stay behind, until more and more consumers take the buck away from greedy bastard companies. and as that's not gona happen - were screwed :/ | |
| | Beeper
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| Re: Yes, silly -_- said by X :
We are behind, and will stay behind, until more and more consumers take the buck away from greedy bastard companies.
Let's see, you want to take money away from companies in order for them to spend tens of billions of dollars?
That'll work.
Greedy companies desiring bigger profits are required in order to widely deploy faster broadband.
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| neftv
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Broomall, PA | People are blind. Thank goodness for DSLReports and the articles.
Yes USA is falling behind in a lot of things but with broadband especially we got the blind leading the blind. | |
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| Free Enterprise Our problem is free enterprise, companies won't market in rural areas, and a good portion of the midwestern United States in particular is rural. The government can't force companies to offer broadband.
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Count Hogula3
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|  I don't get it
It's one thing when you're in a very dense city...like I can see a Cogent type operation going into bldg after bldg offering fiber and people getting high speeds for fairly cheap money...but that's one city. Perhaps Chicago is another. You certainly can't do that in L.A. You certainly won't be able to do that anywhere else.
Would I like multi-megabit speeds? Sure. But I ask myself after downloading a s-load of warez and illegal movies, what the hell am I going to do with 100Mbps that I can't do with the 4Mb I have now. As I see it, damn little. I would rather have $20 for 4Mb than $40 for 100Mb. | |
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fundamentalz
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Moorpark, CA | Envy So we as the United States, have the technological equivilant of penis envy | |
| nasadude
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Rockville, MD
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| the author needs to get a clue quote:
We shouldn't mess with the free market...
somebody needs to tell Mikey (Mike L, author of the article) to get a clue - what the h3ll does he think the FCC, congress and the incumbents have been messing with the last several years? If it's not congress mandating something they've been lobbied to do by the incumbents, it's the FCC mucking things up with rules that keep being overturned by the courts.
In my opinion, the free market for broadband hasn't yet been allowed to work and at the rate we're going, won't be for a while. | |
| | Sunburn
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Denver, CO | Re: the author needs to get a clue Why does DSLR always feel they have to bring up the USA broadband sucks argument every other week? I am getting tired of this. See ya | |
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| Re: the author needs to get a clue said by Sunburn :
Why does DSLR always feel they have to bring up the USA broadband sucks argument every other week? I am getting tired of this. See ya
Because it does.
I see ,if the pipe ever gets big enough and IPvs6 ever comes around, a life style change that would be about as different as it would be living in the 1800's now. With everything connected you would free up so much time that is currently wasted it would be amazing.
I would just like to see this by 2010 not 2100
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join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
·MV Communications,..
| Because USA broadband sucks said by Sunburn :
Why does DSLR always feel they have to bring up the USA broadband sucks argument every other week? I am getting tired of this. See ya
Vary simple: Because (1) DSLR participant want/like broadband, and (2) lots of them are in the US, and (3) USA broadband SUCKS | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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·AT&T Southwest
| Re: the author needs to get a clue said by Sunburn :
Why does DSLR always feel they have to bring up the USA broadband sucks argument every other week?
Hmmmmmm.... Let's see... what is this site all about.... um.... Nascar.. Nope. Football?.... Nope. Dating...? Er, nope.... I REMEMBER... It's *GASP* about Broadband! Wow! And it's located in the USA! So, the state of Broadband in the USA is kinda, well, the KEY FOCUS of the site!
Sorry. I am overdoing the sarcasm.
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maybe i should read her interview first... 
Re: the author needs to get a clue