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Grouch
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join:2005-02-05
Knowlton, QC | Get your tinfoil hats out! The redneck retards are back in force!
They couldn't convince the world that the waves messed up their brains, so now they're going to try convincing people that it messes up their crops. | |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! Ummm, radiation causes mutations. | |
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join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! The Incredible Hulk is not a science education show.
We are bombarded with radiation every single day, in magnitudes much greater than what is put out even directly in front of a wireless communications tower. | |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA
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| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! said by psx_defector  :The Incredible Hulk is not a science education show. We are bombarded with radiation every single day, in magnitudes much greater than what is put out even directly in front of a wireless communications tower. All I said was that radiation causes mutation. It's a true statement.
Just like second hand smoke causes lung cancer. Granted they have to pump metric tons of it into a mouse to be able to claim it, it's still true nonetheless. | |
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Thane_Bitter
join:2005-01-20
London, ON
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| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! said by Marduk :All I said was that radiation causes mutation. It's a true statement. No it is not and hopefully this definition will aid you:
"radiation describes any process in which energy emitted by one body travels through a medium or through space, ultimately to be absorbed by another body."
Therefore if your statement was true, the only safe environment for humans would be in a dark vacuum maintained at -273 C. Good luck with that one. 
Certain types of radiation (Ionizing for example) can bring about mutations, also mutations do not necessary result in cancer. | |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! said by Thane_Bitter :said by Marduk :All I said was that radiation causes mutation. It's a true statement. No it is not and hopefully this definition will aid you: "radiation describes any process in which energy emitted by one body travels through a medium or through space, ultimately to be absorbed by another body." Therefore if your statement was true, the only safe environment for humans would be in a dark vacuum maintained at -273 C. Good luck with that one. Certain types of radiation (Ionizing for example) can bring about mutations, also mutations do not necessary result in cancer. Oh okay, you're right.
Radiation does not ever cause mutation, got it.
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join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! Lol murdok. Your subtle but effective comeback made me really laugh out loud. | |
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neowulf
join:2000-10-20
Port Orange, FL
| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! How exactly is that a come back?
"Certain types of radiation (Ionizing for example) can bring about mutations, also mutations do not necessary result in cancer."
Is a true statement. Ionizing, such as X-Ray can cause a mutation, but does not mean it will turn into cancer. This happens everyday. You are in the sun, UV rays hit your skin, which alters your DNA causing a mutation, cancer, but DNA is self-repairing and is generally able to correct the damage done by the sun before the cancer is able to replicate causing the cancer to grow. So already he is agreeing that radiation does cause mutations. But it does not mean all radiation causes a mutation, not all radiation is equal in terms of how dangerous they are to cause DNA mutation.
Non-ionizing radiation, such as radio-frequency energy or microwave radiation would have trouble causing a mutation, the wave length is far too broad. It would require so much direct energy to cause a mutation with non-ionizing radiation that before mutation could take place the cell would die of from over exposure to heat energy output. So technically it is impossible to cause a mutation from non-ionizing radiation such as a cell tower.
Having your crops out in the sun with UV rays is much more likely to cause the mutation that this farmer is worried about. | |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | People just like to argue. It's just ridiculous. | |
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join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! It isn't that, really: Rather, people simply want an unrebutted platform for their own personal perspective. Some folks clearly cannot accept the fact that there isn't any definitive evidence that shows that the garlic absolutely and positively won't be adversely affected. They want to claim that everything is perfectly safe, that is up until the damage is already done, and then they'll take the side of "the farmer should have known".  Essentially, they just want to blame others for everything that they don't like, instead of accepting reality.
Personally, I believe the risks are low enough that I think the farmer should allow it, but that's easy for me to say. I'm not the one that morons would come after with pitchforks if something bad happens to a young child who ate a lot of garlic and mob mentality takes over. | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| I guess the science education in the schools in West Chester, PA is as bad as it apparently is in Nova Scotia.
I recommend you go to this website immediately, and learn about how urgent this threat really is:
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! C'mon. Wifi routers eating babies? Cthulhu won't stand for the competition! | |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA
·Comcast
| said by PDXPLT :I guess the science education in the schools in West Chester, PA is as bad as it apparently is in Nova Scotia. I recommend you go to this website immediately, and learn about how urgent this threat really is: » miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/2···devices/ Yes, the Northeast is known for the worst education ever! | |
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DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
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| said by Marduk :said by Thane_Bitter :said by Marduk : Oh okay, you're right. Radiation does not ever cause mutation, got it. Thanks! LOL ! (that was pretty funny) | |
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join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC
| No, certain kinds of radiation causes mutations because it can interact with our cells, enzymes and DNA. Radio waves cannot do this since the wave length of a radio wave is far too long. It is capable of heating a cell, but as far as every bit of research we have indicates: it can't mutate a cell any more than a heat lamp. | |
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join:2008-09-23 | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! look up what heat radiation does LOL | |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| said by Marduk :Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Too broad of a statement, it's like saying "The universe causes stars" which might be true in a broad since, but the variables and details are being swept aside. I think a more correct statement would be "some ionizing radiation might possibly cause mutations in a living organism after high enough levels and long enough duration".
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| said by Marduk :Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Sunlight is radiation, therefore by your logic, sunlight causes mutations. So the farmer should keep all his plants in the dark to prevent mutation.
Your statement is a verbal fallacy. If you had stated that certain types of radiation can cause mutations in certain living organisms, then you'd be correct but the blanket statement "radiation causes mutations" is wrong.
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
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| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! said by Morac :said by Marduk :Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Sunlight is radiation, therefore by your logic, sunlight causes mutations. So the farmer should keep all his plants in the dark to prevent mutation. Your statement is a verbal fallacy. If you had stated that certain types of radiation can cause mutations in certain living organisms, then you'd be correct but the blanket statement "radiation causes mutations" is wrong. Sunlight DOES cause mutations. Just look at what happens when you put garlic seeds into the ground, water them and expose them to solar radiation:
They mutate into-garlic! | |
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mixmasta
join:2002-03-19
Ann Arbor, MI | Another name for sunlight is solar radiation. One component of it is ultraviolet radiation... Ever heard of skin cancer? Cancer is a mutation... | |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! said by mixmasta :Another name for sunlight is solar radiation. One component of it is ultraviolet radiation... Ever heard of skin cancer? Cancer is a mutation... Yet there are people who go out in the sun every day and never get cancer so not everyone mutates. The problem with the OP's statement was that it was a blanket statement "radiation causes mutations", not "radiation can cause mutations".
Technically everyone has had a mutation at some point in their life. It's not caused by radiation, but simply by the fact that cell replication is always 100% perfect. Most mutations are benign (such as hair color), some are beneficial (such as lower risk of heart disease) and some are harmful (cancer).
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join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! If this whole thread blew up because some people were upset that the original assertion was missing the word "can", then that says an awful lot (and not terribly good things) about those people. They could have just said "Yes, it can cause mutation, but it doesn't always cause mutation."
However, I think you're wrong about that: I got the impression that they were trying to assert that the farmer's concerns were utterly without merit. | |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! said by bicker :However, I think you're wrong about that: I got the impression that they were trying to assert that the farmer's concerns were utterly without merit. They pretty much are without merit as the amount of radiation put off by wi-fi is simply dwarfed by the amount of natural sources of radiation there are. Hence my comment about growing plants without sunlight.
There are a number of other physics and biological reasons why, the chance of mutations from wi-fi radiation is virtually non-existent (power level, distance, etc). Rather than list what's already been said, I'll simply point to this link which explains things fairly well.
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| Emf is non-ionizing radiation; and fairly weak at the distance of the garlic from the tower.
We are far more susceptible to ionizing radiation, and get quite heavy doses of same from more distant, and natural sources. Such as ...... the Sun.
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| said by Marduk :Ummm, radiation causes mutations. Did you know you are exposed to a ton of radiation everyday? You don't see people with third eyes and 20 fingers now do you? UV rays come to mind (unless of course you never go outside). I don't think anyone would deny radiation would cause mutation, but the sear amount would make your statement almost mute. I mean you would really have to be handling plutonium with your bare hands to get radiation poisoning or mutations. In fact, even if you handled weapons grade plutonium - I would venture to wager that you would get radiation poisoning and die before you mutated. In fact - your statement is very misleading because you claim that ALL radiation causes mutations when in fact there are several different kinds. Light is considered a radiation, but does light cause mutations?
The amount of radiation that is emitted from a tower or your handsets is harmless. It's harmless to humans and I am sure it would be harmless to plants. In fact, wouldn't he welcome mutation? I mean, what if the waves mutate the garlic into 20ft plants?
Now, I'm sure if you were to climb up on a cell tower and put your head against one of the emitters for hours you might have some problems... | |
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join:2009-03-25
Charlotte, NC | Re: Mutant Garlic Mutant garlic is on sale at WalMart. So what's this guy complaining about!?! | |
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r81984
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join:2001-11-14
St John'S, NL | Re: Get your tinfoil hats out! With that kind of stupidity he should be given honorary US citizenship.
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expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | It's TRUE Has no one heard of garlic heads? | |
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NOCTech75
join:2009-06-29
Marietta, GA | Frack that Let's mutate the maroon... but then again it would seem like he is already mutated. | |
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TSI Gabe
Premium,VIP
join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON
| Radiation We're being bombarded by far worst radiations than wireless...like let's say...the sun.
Reminds me on my wife working on the wind turbines near where I live. it's been pushed back a few times because they are afraid the motion of the blades would cause seizures. | |
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DrStrange
Technically feasible
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join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT | He's from Nova Scotia... Someone needs to tell him that it'll all be OK if he wraps the garlic bulbs in tinfoil . | |
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join:2009-06-03
Toronto, ON | Re: He's from Nova Scotia... Came for a tinfoil statement, leaving satisfied | |
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| NOCTech75
join:2009-06-29
Marietta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by DrStrange :Someone needs to tell him that it'll all be OK if he wraps the garlic bulbs in tinfoil . I'd expect something this asinine from a Newfy. | |
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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| History doesn't prove everything. "My broken watch said it was 12PM. I looked up at my wall clock and it WAS 12PM. Now my broken watch STILL says it's 12PM therefore it IS, because I was right the last time."
The farmer may have been kinda right about the pesticides thing.
But too many people assume; that because their obsessive insanity provided one correct answer that it will keep on providing correct answers.
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Thane_Bitter
join:2005-01-20
London, ON | Re: History doesn't prove everything. Much of the discussion about the negative aspects of pesticides occurred in the late 50's and 60's, Farmer garlic was a decade behind even then.  | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Remember your watch is correct at 12:00AM too. | |
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JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL | 8-1 city council vote in favor of garlic So either that is some kick ass garlic that brings in a greater economic impact to area than another tower or the council is full of nutjobs.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: 8-1 city council vote in favor of garlic Fuck'em when they bitch about why thay can only get dial-up you can tell them to take their garlic and shove it up their ass. | |
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Hindenpeter8
join:2009-06-03
Toronto, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| *facepalm* From the article:
Wayne Atwater, municipal councillor for the area where the garlic farm is located, said EastLink can get broadband Internet service to the Victoria Harbour area simply by running about two kilometres of cable instead of relying on a tower.
Dumbass. If it was that easy, and cheap, they'd have already done it and none of this asshattery would be happening.
The councillors probably just thought of the word "radiation" and pictured Blinky the Three Eyed Fish transposed onto a clove of garlic.
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL |  Grease the farmers palm.
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Flibbetigibb
@bellsouth.net | Let me guess-- this is at the Sunnyvale Trailer Park, right? Personally, I blame Samsquantch. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reason why eminent domain is needed sometimes you can't reason with stupid people. | |
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jefe
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join:2001-05-19
Northport, NY
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Ya Mon
@pacbell.net | Re: You can't argue with a sick mind.... Joe Walsh is the best!!! | |
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Wizeguy
join:2008-08-23
Safety Harbor, FL | Yup this can happen I remember when I lived up north (Aurora IL) they put up a tower and every October the leaves on the trees turned brown and fell off... | |
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rageinside
join:2009-03-17
Oshawa, ON | Jokes on him. Someone needs to find exactly were this garlic field is and in the middle of the night convert it to a dead microwave graveyard. | |
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Qixotl
join:2002-02-08
New Milford, CT
| Yes - And You and Garlic "Sad tower nailed upon the colored door of time;
Insane farmer be there reminded of the rhyme.
There'll be no mutant garlic we shall certify;
Political ends, as sad remains, will die.
Reach out as forward tastes begin to enter you.
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CathyLou
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| Cell Tower The same thing happened in Mendocino, CA with cell towers. One man managed to delay the placement of cell towers for years because he said they caused his headaches. His proof - every time he drove toward San Francisco, where there were several cell towers, he began experiencing headaches. Therefore - the cell towers cause headaches. Thankfully, the last time I visited, the cell towers were in place. You no longer had to drive 7 miles to nearby Fort Brag to make a call from your cell phone. | |
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