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Because the test ships are nothing close to the promised product...
(old news - 07:29PM Thursday Dec 14 2006)
tags: business · wireless · alternatives · bandwidth · Oddities
Sanswire Networks has been promising the world broadband by blimp (aka blimpband) for almost five years. The promise has long been to deliver giant airships (called Stratellites) positioned 12 miles up, able to provide WiMax, Wi-Fi or cellular service to a land-mass roughly the size of Texas. Sanswire insists they can get one of these up in the air for $30 million, far less than the $250 million it costs to launch a Satellite, and with less latency.

From their FAQ, Sanswire envisions a future where hundreds of these automated airships float over America in an aerial mesh network. However thus far, they've barely been able to show that they can get a ship in the air during a stiff breeze.

For years all we saw were press releases. These included promises of a Stratellite launch over Lima, Peru that never happened. In fact nothing at all happened until last April, when the company unveiled their first prototype and began tethered testing in the Mojave Desert.

Today the company announced that their latest round of tests were a smashing success, and "demonstrate the effectiveness of delivering communications via the processes the Company had all along envisioned."

Except wait: these tests were tethered, using a ship one-fifth the size of the final promised product, floating at an un-specified height, in balmy 3 mph winds and California sun. After five years of PR that's a far cry from a massive automated airship that can brave the stratosphere for 18 months at a time in order to beam WiMax down upon us lowly terrestrials.

Obviously Rome wasn't built in a day, but it will be interesting to see how long investor confidence holds -- and if this idea ultimately gets buried alongside the Phantom game console in the broadband graveyard of broken dreams.

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brooklynman4

join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY

Progress

Hey its a start

tschmidt
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Re: Progress

I've been a fan of the project for a long time. I am disappointed development is taking so long and do not understand why the going is so slow.

The concept is a fleet of unmanned high altitude solar powered blimps able to stay on station for months at a time.

The radio technology is a no brainier. Blimp design while novel does not represent any ground breaking technology. As others have said at the proposed altitude the sun is bright, winds aloft are modest, and it is above commercial flight lanes.

/Tom

calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA

Frequency wasting

12 miles up and a footprint the size of Texas? HA!

All this would do is waste frequencies. Imagine if you could only use a cellular frequency once within the whole state of Texas, instead of re-using it scores or hundreds of times within a single metropolitan area. Putting an antenna this high will only waste frequency allocation. Think about it--whatever frequency this outfit might get would be much more valuable used over and over again from conventional towers.

Maybe this is their exit strategy. Get a frequency for this, then sell the company to someone whose only desire is to ground the blimp and use the frequency efficiently.

calvoiper
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BodyBumper

join:2004-06-21
Beverly Hills, CA
I have a feeling these people are just scamming investors.
raybrett

join:2001-02-20
Saint Louis, MO

Re: Progress

I have to agree. Unless there is something dreadfully wrong with my math, it seems cheaper to put up a $250 million dollar satellite that will cover most of the continental US that to put up 100 blimps at $30 per for a total of $3 billion.

tschmidt
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Re: Progress

said by raybrett See Profile :

it seems cheaper to put up a $250 million dollar satellite that will cover most of the continental US that to put up 100 blimps at $30 per for a total of $3 billion.
That may be true but remember the Blimps are only 12 miles high vs 22,241 for geosynchronous satellites. The huge distance makes satellites impractical for two-way communication. Ask any gamer who has a satellite connection about latency.

said by kyramilan See Profile :

Mabybe fireworks shot at them?
Pretty good trick since they are going to be 12 miles high.

said by calvoiper See Profile :

All this would do is waste frequencies. Imagine if you could only use a cellular frequency once within the whole state of Texas, instead of re-using it scores or hundreds of times within a single metropolitan area. Putting an antenna this high will only waste frequency allocation. Think about it--whatever frequency this outfit might get would be much more valuable used over and over again from conventional towers.
I’m not sure that will be a huge problem. I have to assume they will use an array of many passively steerable antennas to allow spatial and frequency reuse.

/Tom

kyramilan

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Hindenburg mean anything to these morons? How about people shooting at them? Mabybe fireworks shot at them?


calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA

Re: Progress

Hindenburg was Hydrogen, which isn't used for lighter than air craft anymore. 12 miles up is too far to shoot, much too far for fireworks, and you can't see the thing to aim at it anyway.

They have bigger problems. See my earlier post on frequency wasting.

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footballdude

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Imperial, MO

Re: Progress

said by calvoiper See Profile :

Hindenburg was Hydrogen, which isn't used for lighter than air craft anymore.
The Hindenburg didn't burn because of Hydrogen, it burned because the idiots who built it used flammable paint on the outside of it.
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calvoiper

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Belvedere Tiburon, CA

Re: Progress

There are many theories about the exact cause of the Hindenburg disaster. Regardless, no serious position can be advanced that hydrogen wasn't a significant factor in the speed, size, and scope of the fire/explosion.

If it had been filled with helium, as it was designed to be, it would have been a much smaller and less spectacular event--if it caught fire at all.

calvoiper
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said by kyramilan See Profile :

Hindenburg mean anything to these morons? How about people shooting at them? Mabybe fireworks shot at them?

Remember that time someone's house caught fire? Get a cave idiot!

kamm

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December 15th, @10:31AM

said by kyramilan See Profile :

Hindenburg mean anything to these morons? How about people shooting at them? Mabybe fireworks shot at them?


You mean the Reichspräsident of Weimar or the LZ-129?
Asmodeus1

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

i don't like this...

because it appears they haven't accounted for the kind of windage that will be occuring at 12 miles up... it's cold and windy up there and if one of these things goes off course, then that would be a problem for subscribers now wouldn't it...

Fatal Vector

join:2005-11-26

Re: i don't like this...



Never mind the nightmare problems to air traffic
russotto

join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA

Re: i don't like this...

12 miles is above the airspace used by commercial air traffic. In fact, I believe it's above controlled airspace entirely.

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Re: i don't like this...

said by russotto See Profile :

12 miles is above the airspace used by commercial air traffic. In fact, I believe it's above controlled airspace entirely.
However what isn't mention if there is an armada of these things floating around (not stationary) what is it going to to particularly (very marginal signal) DSS satelite reception. Possibly even more commercial large signal satellite when the drift past in inclement weather.

Given the size and only 12 mi up that is a pretty large obect still, again especially for DSS, which is extreme line of sight (very narrow sight beam) full signal needed, especially if not perfect weather.
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Fatal Vector

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December 14th, @10:42PM

"12 miles is above the airspace used by commercial air traffic. In fact, I believe it's above controlled airspace entirely."

Yes, but the key word is TETHERED. Which means a cable extending back to the ground, just like the "barrage baloons" in WW II. Which means a hazard to air navigation.

Actually, this is a rather goofy scheme, akin to BPL, considering the plethora of antenna towers all over.

calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA

Re: i don't like this...

The tests are tethered. I can't find anything that indicates the ultimate 12-mile high blimp would be tethered. Indeed, I did find references to propulsion and avionics, which would indicate that it would be designed to fly and navigate itself, not only at the end of a cable.

calvoiper
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Fatal Vector

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Re: i don't like this...



Oh, riiiigggghhhhtt. Hundreds of these things are going to stay up by themselves on auto pilot and maintain station for years at a time.

Besides which, I can just see the RF soup nightmare up there as they all try to use a set band of frequencies at the same time with the TX power required for a decent signal at 12 miles at 900 Mhz and above. Never mind the uplinks.

No wonder they have taken so long to even test this dufus scheme. Seems to be just a bit much when you consider that it would be MUCH easier to just rent tower space. More reliable too in the long run. Less potential for disaster.

calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA

Re: i don't like this...

Agreed all around. I wasn't saying untethered flight was workable, just that it was what they seemed to be planning.

calvoiper
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CoxCable4
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join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
1st post: theres no weather that high up
2nd post: theres no air traffic that high up
k thx bye

AnonDOG

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Re: i don't like this...

SR-71
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click_310
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Re: i don't like this...

said by AnonDOG :

SR-71
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Santa?
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shoan

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Re: i don't like this...

UFO's
freebird152

join:2006-10-06
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Good, if...

If it actually works, it should be pretty good.

hayabusa3303
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Power?

With something this big and the weight of batteries. How do they plan on keeping them charged alot of solar panels?

Tho the tech has changed for solar in years i dont see how the panels are going to charge and run everything in one shot. Very low voltage ring a bell maybe?

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Rick
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This service is already up and running

in San Antonio.

It's called Uverse and the blimp is named Hindenburg 2.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hind···ning.jpg
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dvd536
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Rope / tether

So where exactly does one purchase a piece of rope or other tether 63 thousand feet long?
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Mchart
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Re: Rope / tether

said by dvd536 See Profile :

So where exactly does one purchase a piece of rope or other tether 63 thousand feet long?
Head on down to your local Ace Hardware or Tru-Value.

Jafo232
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Re: Rope / tether

The stratellites are NOT tethered. Sheesh, the amount of mis/disinformation in threads talking about blimpband is astounding. It is a blimp, not a kite.

This is the way these threads usually go:

Won't they hit jets?

What about the Hindenburg?

What if someone shoots it?

We are not technologically advanced enough to fly a balloon.

All of which are of course stupid ignorant comment/questions.

As for propulsion, I have considered that too. I would think there would probably be a mix of propellers, and compressed air. Surely you could use solar power to store air (as little as there is up there) to use when needed. I always wondered if Ion propulsion would work up there?

As for the cost, these are estimated for what the cost would be now. After the initial deployment and further study, of course the costs will come down.

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said by dvd536 See Profile :

So where exactly does one purchase a piece of rope or other tether 63 thousand feet long?
that's one helluva bungee jump you're planning.




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you can buy IT on ebay. oh wait, you probably can't.

Corehhi

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I take it that's to high for Red Necks

to shoot it down. LOL.
Markus

join:2005-05-27
Middlesboro, KY

Re: I take it that's to high for Red Necks

Or inner city idiots.

Transmaster
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Don't worry about Red Necks

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These stupid humans don't realize these high altitude blimps will transmit our mind control beams and we will take over. Get your aluminum hats out.
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