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| Re: Progress I've been a fan of the project for a long time. I am disappointed development is taking so long and do not understand why the going is so slow.
The concept is a fleet of unmanned high altitude solar powered blimps able to stay on station for months at a time.
The radio technology is a no brainier. Blimp design while novel does not represent any ground breaking technology. As others have said at the proposed altitude the sun is bright, winds aloft are modest, and it is above commercial flight lanes.
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join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Frequency wasting 12 miles up and a footprint the size of Texas? HA!
All this would do is waste frequencies. Imagine if you could only use a cellular frequency once within the whole state of Texas, instead of re-using it scores or hundreds of times within a single metropolitan area. Putting an antenna this high will only waste frequency allocation. Think about it--whatever frequency this outfit might get would be much more valuable used over and over again from conventional towers.
Maybe this is their exit strategy. Get a frequency for this, then sell the company to someone whose only desire is to ground the blimp and use the frequency efficiently.
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join:2004-06-21 Beverly Hills, CA | I have a feeling these people are just scamming investors. | |
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join:2001-02-20 Saint Louis, MO | Re: Progress I have to agree. Unless there is something dreadfully wrong with my math, it seems cheaper to put up a $250 million dollar satellite that will cover most of the continental US that to put up 100 blimps at $30 per for a total of $3 billion. | |
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| Re: Progress said by raybrett : it seems cheaper to put up a $250 million dollar satellite that will cover most of the continental US that to put up 100 blimps at $30 per for a total of $3 billion. That may be true but remember the Blimps are only 12 miles high vs 22,241 for geosynchronous satellites. The huge distance makes satellites impractical for two-way communication. Ask any gamer who has a satellite connection about latency.
said by kyramilan : Mabybe fireworks shot at them? Pretty good trick since they are going to be 12 miles high.
said by calvoiper : All this would do is waste frequencies. Imagine if you could only use a cellular frequency once within the whole state of Texas, instead of re-using it scores or hundreds of times within a single metropolitan area. Putting an antenna this high will only waste frequency allocation. Think about it--whatever frequency this outfit might get would be much more valuable used over and over again from conventional towers. Im not sure that will be a huge problem. I have to assume they will use an array of many passively steerable antennas to allow spatial and frequency reuse.
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| Re: Progress Hindenburg was Hydrogen, which isn't used for lighter than air craft anymore. 12 miles up is too far to shoot, much too far for fireworks, and you can't see the thing to aim at it anyway.
They have bigger problems. See my earlier post on frequency wasting.
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| Re: Progress said by calvoiper :Hindenburg was Hydrogen, which isn't used for lighter than air craft anymore. The Hindenburg didn't burn because of Hydrogen, it burned because the idiots who built it used flammable paint on the outside of it. -- What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter | |
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| Re: Progress There are many theories about the exact cause of the Hindenburg disaster. Regardless, no serious position can be advanced that hydrogen wasn't a significant factor in the speed, size, and scope of the fire/explosion.
If it had been filled with helium, as it was designed to be, it would have been a much smaller and less spectacular event--if it caught fire at all.
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join:2004-05-26 Spring Valley, CA | i don't like this... because it appears they haven't accounted for the kind of windage that will be occuring at 12 miles up... it's cold and windy up there and if one of these things goes off course, then that would be a problem for subscribers now wouldn't it... | |
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join:2005-11-26 | Re: i don't like this...
Never mind the nightmare problems to air traffic | |
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join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA | Re: i don't like this... 12 miles is above the airspace used by commercial air traffic. In fact, I believe it's above controlled airspace entirely. | |
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| Re: i don't like this... said by russotto :12 miles is above the airspace used by commercial air traffic. In fact, I believe it's above controlled airspace entirely. However what isn't mention if there is an armada of these things floating around (not stationary) what is it going to to particularly (very marginal signal) DSS satelite reception. Possibly even more commercial large signal satellite when the drift past in inclement weather.
Given the size and only 12 mi up that is a pretty large obect still, again especially for DSS, which is extreme line of sight (very narrow sight beam) full signal needed, especially if not perfect weather. -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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| "12 miles is above the airspace used by commercial air traffic. In fact, I believe it's above controlled airspace entirely."
Yes, but the key word is TETHERED. Which means a cable extending back to the ground, just like the "barrage baloons" in WW II. Which means a hazard to air navigation.
Actually, this is a rather goofy scheme, akin to BPL, considering the plethora of antenna towers all over. | |
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| Re: i don't like this... The tests are tethered. I can't find anything that indicates the ultimate 12-mile high blimp would be tethered. Indeed, I did find references to propulsion and avionics, which would indicate that it would be designed to fly and navigate itself, not only at the end of a cable.
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Oh, riiiigggghhhhtt. Hundreds of these things are going to stay up by themselves on auto pilot and maintain station for years at a time.
Besides which, I can just see the RF soup nightmare up there as they all try to use a set band of frequencies at the same time with the TX power required for a decent signal at 12 miles at 900 Mhz and above. Never mind the uplinks.
No wonder they have taken so long to even test this dufus scheme. Seems to be just a bit much when you consider that it would be MUCH easier to just rent tower space. More reliable too in the long run. Less potential for disaster. | |
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join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: i don't like this... Agreed all around. I wasn't saying untethered flight was workable, just that it was what they seemed to be planning.
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join:2002-10-02 PwnZone | 1st post: theres no weather that high up 2nd post: theres no air traffic that high up k thx bye | |
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join:2002-12-06 Savannah, GA | Re: i don't like this... said by AnonDOG :
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join:2006-02-27 Benton, AR | Re: i don't like this... UFO's  | |
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  dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ | Rope / tether So where exactly does one purchase a piece of rope or other tether 63 thousand feet long? -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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| Re: Rope / tether said by dvd536 :So where exactly does one purchase a piece of rope or other tether 63 thousand feet long? Head on down to your local Ace Hardware or Tru-Value. | |
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| Re: Rope / tether The stratellites are NOT tethered. Sheesh, the amount of mis/disinformation in threads talking about blimpband is astounding. It is a blimp, not a kite.
This is the way these threads usually go:
Won't they hit jets?
What about the Hindenburg?
What if someone shoots it?
We are not technologically advanced enough to fly a balloon.
All of which are of course stupid ignorant comment/questions.
As for propulsion, I have considered that too. I would think there would probably be a mix of propellers, and compressed air. Surely you could use solar power to store air (as little as there is up there) to use when needed. I always wondered if Ion propulsion would work up there?
As for the cost, these are estimated for what the cost would be now. After the initial deployment and further study, of course the costs will come down.
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | you can buy IT on ebay. oh wait, you probably can't. | |
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join:2002-01-28 Bluffton, SC | I take it that's to high for Red Necks to shoot it down. LOL. | |
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join:2005-05-27 Middlesboro, KY | Re: I take it that's to high for Red Necks Or inner city idiots. | |
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