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Boxee CEO: Someone Will Offer Subscription Internet TV in 2012
It's Just Not Going to be Boxee (or Apple, or Microsoft, or Google...)
by Karl Bode Thursday 02-Feb-2012 tags: Video · business · alternatives · bandwidth · consumers
We've watched for years as companies from Apple to Google have promised to revolutionize TV only to fall flat on their face. More accurately, they run face first into a cable and broadcast industry that does everything in their power to try and crush disruptive video services, from protectionist laws to pricey and restrictive licensing arrangements. According to Boxee CEO Avner Ronen, however, 2012 will be the year somebody finally creates a "virtual MSO," or a cable operator selling Internet video live television subscriptions. It's just not going to be Boxee, he admits:

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We don't have an appetite to become a virtual MSO in the sense of us going out and licensing those channels and providing...We'd much rather [have] somebody like Comcast Corp. or DirecTV Group Inc. or Netflix or Amazon do those deals and for us to support those over-the-top offerings on our platform like we do today for traditional over-the-top."

It's not clear who is going to bypass the ridiculously expensive licensing barriers that have keep even the most deep-pocketed companies in America from being able to offer subscription TV, or how exactly they're going to do it. Companies keep thinking they want to offer such a service, but after they run the studio/broadcaster restriction gauntlet what they actually wind up producing ends up being bland, paywalled, undisruptive, and kind of silly.

Many people seem to be waiting on Apple to disrupt this sector, but it's not as if they have some magical formula for bypassing the protectionist studios and broadcasters. One route is by having Internet video companies create original content themselves, and idea being pursued this year by both Netflix and Hulu. Even then, a smattering of exclusive programming (assuming it's even good) doesn't magically break the TV industry's evolutionary gridlock. While Netflix can be slowly strangled out of existence by licensing hikes, Hulu as a cable-industry company is designed to not be disruptive to traditional cable.

So, who is going to offer a disruptive subscription TV service in 2012?

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AndyDufresne
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Big 5 won't let it happen

News Corp,Viacom,Disney,Time Warner and Comcast(NBC UNiversal) will never let that happen. The own almost all the channels that most folks like to watch on tv and none of them is willing to rock the boat they are in right now. Disney and Comast just signed huge distribution deal for like 10 years. Viacom is still bitching about Youtube and TW wants to hold DVD off Netflix forever and off Redbox like for 2 months. NewS Corp is holding pattern until scandals end(don't hold your breath)

Google has lots of money but not enought to fight off all 5. Same goes for Apple.

benc
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Glen Carbon, IL

Re: Big 5 won't let it happen

     Even if someone did make it happen, the caps affecting many if not most subscribers, and/or limited transfer rate (particularly in rural areas), would likely doom the service from the start.
Warez_Zealot
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Re: Big 5 won't let it happen

said by benc:

     Even if someone did make it happen, the caps affecting many if not most subscribers, and/or limited transfer rate (particularly in rural areas), would likely doom the service from the start.

These guys were. It would have to be like magicjak where you pay hw fee, then a reasonable yearly fee.

I'm still waiting to buy a Android TV or the Android usb stick. That way I can just d/l and watch my media on there. Better yet; I'd love if apps came out for each channel. It would be wayyyyyyy more convinient.

2012 might be the year of the pirated online tv.
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said by benc:

     Even if someone did make it happen, the caps affecting many if not most subscribers, and/or limited transfer rate (particularly in rural areas), would likely doom the service from the start.

in about 2 months when my "promo" package expires i'm going to drop residential cable/tv totally and go to business class internet only. I'm going to save 40/month and have unlimited transfer.
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OneEye

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My opinion on AT&T'S Goal with CAPS -- KILL, DESTROY, and ELIMINATE all Independent Content Providers and Set Top Boxes (Netflix, Amazon, Boxee, Roku, etc.)

So much crap thrown in the public's faces with the FCC's Net Neutrality rules and an open pipe supplying independent content (NOT AT&T, COMCAST, or CHARTER content) to our homes.
NWOhio

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
not true. They already do using this solution:

»www.matrixstream.com/IPTV_H.264_···ider.php

it's the fact that nobody wants to do it.
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
Big 5 also hate the idea of customer controlled viewing. this is why they tried to lobby for the broadcast flag to stop DVRs and force people to view on their schedule.

Naturally they greatly fear the internet which is all about control from the user.
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Notafool

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Even the smaller players like scripps and hdnet won't be so foolish as to undercut themselves. TV is good business. Employs a lot of people. Stimulates the economy. Pays investors and shareholders handsomely. $5 OR $10 a month internet TV can't really pay the bills. Nothing personal, it's just business.

Internet is great for second run though. Its on demand nature and targeted ads help breathe new life into shows that were once primetime staples.

ctceo
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South Bend, IN

Fairness

I don't think you can count Hulu separate from Comcast anymore seeing they are the majority shareholder in that joint venture with GE.

spewak
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Elk Grove, CA
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So, who is going to offer a disruptive subscription TV servi

Not a single entity, soul or purveyor of obscene profits will allow this silly notion of subscription tv to come to fruition.
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OneEye

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Subscription TV

Several years ago I purchased a chain link fence top rail (20' in length) and installed a rotor positioned HD antenna. Total cost = $150.00 which is just over one month's U-verse payment.

From Peachtree City, GA (20-25 miles south of Atlanta's HD transmitting antennas), I receive 20 to 25 Hi Def signals from surrounding (Atlanta, Macon, and Columbus) markets including all the major networks plus several independent networks. There is also a boatload of religious channels in which I have no interest but which you pay for in a cable TV payment.

The picture quality on my Hi Def televisions is so much better than AT&T U-verse (which I also have) and Comcast (which I had before U-verse).

My problem is convincing my wife to cut-the-cord. It's the second tier and third tier networks that she watches the most and would lose.

These are the networks that I would like to receive over the internet, even in a subscription format.
wahoospa

join:2006-03-23
Charleston, SC

Re: Subscription TV

My wife and I cut the cord several years ago. We now find better things to do than sit around watching TV and getting fat. She does more reading than ever, our public libraries are full of interesting movies and TV series on DVD and I now do more work on computers and watch over-the-air HD when things get slow.

hobgoblin
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Re: Subscription TV

said by wahoospa:

My wife and I cut the cord several years ago. We now find better things to do than sit around watching TV and getting fat. She does more reading than ever, our public libraries are full of interesting movies and TV series on DVD and I now do more work on computers and watch over-the-air HD when things get slow.

Every one of the things you do instead of watching TV involves sitting around.

Hob
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Snakeoil
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What about Dishnetwork?

Currently, if you are a paid subscriber, you can get your programming streamed over the internet from dishonline, or at home with your satellite receiver. Or if you have a sling box enabled receiver, you can stream from that over the internet.

Dish seems to be exploring different options for delivering what it provides, so could they be the one?
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BF69
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Re: What about Dishnetwork?

said by Snakeoil:

Currently, if you are a paid subscriber, you can get your programming streamed over the internet from dishonline, or at home with your satellite receiver. Or if you have a sling box enabled receiver, you can stream from that over the internet.

Dish seems to be exploring different options for delivering what it provides, so could they be the one?

The point being you have to already be a Dish subscriber. Let me know when someone offers their service as an online only package.

HBO is making the same mistake with HBOGo and ESPN is messing up with WatchESPN.

Snakeoil
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Re: What about Dishnetwork?

That is the rub. I bet Dish, and the cable companies would offer a split package deal. But the question is, would hollywood allow them to?
I think it's a mistake on hollywoods part, not to allow them to. I would love an internet only connection, where I wouldn't need a DVR. Just log into my providers site and start watching TV during the times that I want to. Granted, I'll still have to watch the ads, but at least it will be during the time I want to.
I very seldom watch programming when it is broadcasted. I'll watch it about 3 to 5 days later.

One reason why I am a fan of netflix.
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Chuck_IV

join:2003-11-18
New Milford, CT
said by BF69:

HBO is making the same mistake with HBOGo and ESPN is messing up with WatchESPN.

HBO didn't want to do it the way they are now. Originally HBOGO was "supposed" to be an independent subscription service, where you could circumvent the cable operators and pay HBO directly for their content.

When the cable companies got wind of this, they told HBO that if you do this, we will drop your channels from our systems. With that threat, HBOGO is now what you see today. You can only get it, IF you already subscribe to HBO through a supported provider.

Moopy

@rr.com

Not gonna happen...

when usage caps in in play. Why would I pay for something that I can only "use" a certain amount of and then get overcharged. Do cable customers get extra charges when they watch "too much" broadcast programs? No, they don't.

This pig ain't gonna fly.
talz13

join:2006-03-15
Avon Lake, OH

Cancelled Netflix again...

And when I took their exit survey, they did actually list "peer-to-peer or torrents" in the selections of where you were going to obtain your movies and TV episodes after leaving netflix. Right alongside cable, satellite, and OTA. At least one company knows what they have to compete with.

mike818

@rr.com

Re: Cancelled Netflix again...

Vizio CTO Matt McRae: Internet-based TV provider with 50-100 channels coming within 18 months:»www.theverge.com/2012/1/13/27050···8-months

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