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| How long have iPhones been on the market? About a year, right?
Maybe let's revisit this in another year, or two. I bet things will look a bit differently.
In fact anyone willing to bet that they ship less than 10.5 million phones worldwide a year from now, please let me know, I'm sure we can arrange something. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? Huh? This is talking about sales, not handsets in use. | |
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| Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? My point this is; I wouldn't underestimate Apple's ability to dominate this market segment in a couple years.
We can argue how awesome or overrated the iPhone (or the iPhone vs. "X" phone) until the cows come home, but the fact remains that Apple is steaming ahead and gaining marketshare in new areas at the expense of its competitors. While they are both shipping more units than before, I strongly believe that Apple will take marketshare from RIMM.
I've been both an Apple put and call holder, however I've made much more off my calls than puts. | |
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join:2003-08-09
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| Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? Apple has no choice but to gain market share -- a year ago they had 0% market share in mobile phones.
Dropping from 26% to 19% of new phone sales really doesn't indicate "steaming ahead" does it?
I think once the summer release comes out and makes its impact on the market, we'll see that the people who want an Apple phone already have one, and sales will slump. | |
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join:2008-05-20 | Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? I sincerely doubt that. In fact I would wager you that your assertion will not happen. Game? | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? The problem with Apple's iPhone is that its licensed to 'one' carrier... currently.
Blackberries are available on all carriers.
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join:2001-11-10
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| Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? True statement.
iPhone is also severely overpriced. It may be quite functional, but there's no way to justify paying what amounts to a car payment for a cellular phone; not when a BlackBerry costs roughly half that and does 95% of what the iPhone does. | |
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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
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| said by jester121  :Apple has no choice but to gain market share -- a year ago they had 0% market share in mobile phones. Dropping from 26% to 19% of new phone sales really doesn't indicate "steaming ahead" does it? I think once the summer release comes out and makes its impact on the market, we'll see that the people who want an Apple phone already have one, and sales will slump. You obviously do not understand the market. Sales will begin to tail off after X months for two reasons, new products in the market and a product refresh. Selling 1 out of 5 iPhones is nothing to sneeze at when most stores carry over 50 different phone models. It's not like there's lack of choice. The iPhone will most likely blow away figures here in a few weeks. The prepositioning of billions in hardware is a sure sign of Apple's confidence that these new phones will sell despite that many who wanted a iPhone have one. That means Apple knows that there will A be a lot of upgraders, and B a bunch of new users. | |
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join:2005-07-28
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| Apples ability to dominate?
Aside from the ipod, in which other markets has apple been able to dominate?
I love Apple and Steve Job's visionary insight. Although not the first to market an MP3 player, they made is easy to use and download music and sales took off when it was PC compatible.
I just do see lightning striking twice in such a competitive an undefined segment.
How, who and when the mobile handset market place shakes is still yet to be unseen.
Blackberry is in a great place as the leader and corporate Americas buy in.
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| said by karpodiem :My point this is; I wouldn't underestimate Apple's ability to dominate this market segment in a couple years. Nah. Just becase it's a great piece of technology doesn't mean it will come out on top. If that were true, Macs will be the only personal computing platform in the world, and Bill Gates will be working for Jobs.
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join:2008-05-20 | Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? Still waiting for someone to take me up on my bet though.
Talk is cheap. :P | |
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NOCMan
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| said by jester121 :Huh? This is talking about sales, not handsets in use. It's skewed either way you look at it. Technically the iPhone is only available to 30% of the US market.
Lets look at a market segment that matters. Teenagers and young adults reportedly 60% of them either have a iPhone or plan on purchasing one. I doubt 5% of that group even has a blackberry unless they're geeky enough to carry one. | |
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Xiotek
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So Cal | The Blackberry is a much better device.
We have 4 of them in our household. | |
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WALL_E
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| Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? said by Xiotek :The Blackberry is a much better device. We have 4 of them in our household. Well, the fact that Xiotek has 4 Blackberrys in his household is certainly indicative of it being a "much better device"! 
I'm just kidding of course, but it would be nice if you provided more to the discussion, such as *why* you find it to be a much better choice. Personally, I find the UI on the iPhone to be hands-down superior to anything Blackberry is currently offering, though I recognize that the iPhone is currently crippled as far as corporate use goes (with regards to security concerns like remotely wiping the device).
I think the 2.0 firmware, which addresses the above issue as well as adding support for Push email, will greatly close the gap between the iPhone and Blackberry in corporate environments. And, at least in my company, it seems that many users *want* an iPhone but *must* use a Blackberry. Give an chance to switch over (which firmware 2.0 may provide), they would pick up an iPhone in a heartbeat.
Apple's ability to dominate a market such as this certainly cannot be underestimated. I can see them offering multiple models throughout a much larger price range in a few years (or sooner!) much like they've done with the iPhone. Apple is a strong brand in the minds of many young buyers, while Blackberry doesn't have such an advantage. Perhaps we'll see iPod-like dominance in a few years? 
All IMHO, of course.
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| I love the BlackBerry's QWERTY keyboard for emailing and IM, but the browser is awful. Even with Opera Mini, which is a great browser, the usability is just not there. I have yet to type using the iPhone, but I really can't see the on screen keyboard being as fast as the BB's buttons. | |
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| said by Xiotek :The Blackberry is a much better device. We have 4 of them in our household. BB also isn't locked down to the crappiest network in america[cingular by any other name stinks as bad(currently A T & T)]
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| Re: waiting for iPhone 3G not reason for Blackberry surge said by TK Junk Mail :However, the change is probably due in large part to the fact that nobody is purchasing the iPhone right now because they’re waiting for the new 3G iPhone That theory doesn't hold water. These results were for the 1st qtr(JAN,FEB,MAR) and were not affected by the slow down in sales because of the 3G iPhone. My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page I agree. The slow down is because the Apple faithful have already snapped up their iPhone, the folks who buy to make fashion statement have, and now the sales will slow to a trickle.
The 3G iPhone should be a MUCH better device, but I still think the barrier for true success is the corporate world.
Interestingly, the BlackBerry is now also becoming a fashion statement for the early to mid-twenty something young professionals. The iPhone isn't making inroads in that demographic. | |
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| Re: waiting for iPhone 3G not reason for Blackberry surge said by en102 :A 3G Blackberry would be nice too. Just as AT&T does not sell a 3G iPhone, it does not sell a 3G Blackberry either. I would possibly prefer a 3G Blackberry over 3G iPhone as I can get corp discounts on service, as the device is less 'crippled'. Eg. I can run an SSH session over a Blackberry (even on a Nextel Blackberry  ) The BlackBerry Bold (9000) should be out sometime this summer/early fall:
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Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: waiting for iPhone 3G not reason for Blackberry surge and same with the 3G iPhone 
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Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: waiting for iPhone 3G not reason for Blackberry surge I did state AT&T... T-Mobile also does not currently have a 3G Blackberry.
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| Re: this is why! said by netnerd :iphone is just a toy! Agreed. Having used both, and doing tech support for both, no one who actually uses a smartphone for any sort of real work is going to touch an iPhone with a ten foot pole. Only when Apple has their own data centres and something similar to BES will the iPhone ever have an even remote chance of breaking into the corporate market. Until then, it's just a fancy toy.
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| said by netnerd :iphone is just a toy! It really is. A blackberry and/or windows mobile phone can beat the living snot out of an iphone for a fraction of the cost. They can also run a load of more programs than the iphone can. Sorry Apple, you failed at this, just like the computer. Stick to the ipod and itunes, oh wait, your DRM made those fail as well.
And, before I forget, you would think a device that is so oriented in being entertaining would have A2DP bluetooth in it for bluetooth headphones, but again, it fails there as well. Don't even get me started on their non-standard headphone jack, thats just a joke. Apple = fail. | |
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Bill Gates
@verizon.net | That is what people said about the iPod and the iPod dominated the world and changed the music biz forever. The iPhone has already changed the phone biz forever and will be a major player, especially after next week new introduction. | |
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| Open the iPhone to other providers Most people aren't going to buy an iPhone for the sake of an iPhone. That applies especially to businesses. We want functionality and not be tied to one provider. Apple must be crazy to think normal people will drop their current provider in the middle of a contract and go get a new iPhone tide to a 2 year ATT contract. | |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
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| Curve 8310 Just last week I went from a Moto T720 to the 8310. It's a little more phone then I expected to get but when the sales guy at Radio Shack told me they had a promotion on it and it cost half as much as the razor (which is what I was expecting to get) I ended up getting the 8310. Now I like the gps feature on it, speakerphone, which I didn't have before. I even loaded Blackberry and google maps. I'm not a bells and whistles guy when it comes to phone but I think I ended up with a phone that almost does everything. I seen the IPhone, at work two people at work have them, the touch screen is nice but I wouldn't pay as much as they are asking for. | |
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WALL_E
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| Re: Apple Cell Phones obsolete before the contract expires. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...
If you aren't, please point out *any* phone that isn't obsolete after two years.
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@rr.com | And newer models of Blackberry are coming out before anyone's contract will be up after they just bought the latest one.
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join:2003-07-10
Brooklyn, NY
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| One Phone Versus All I love my iPhone. The funny thing is that Blackberry has so many different models to choose from and Apple has one that is sending the market scrambling. Don't get me wrong, Blackberrys are nice but for me the iPhone is the winner. Everyone has their own needs.
Also, to all those who say the iPhone is just a toy, wait until the next version that supports Exchange. | |
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taar
join:2000-11-21 | Sales will soar soon Apple will spur sales when they slash prices to reasonable levels in a few weeks.... | |
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Fort Worth, TX
| I love my Iphone I had a Blackberry. Now I have an Iphone. I'd never go back to a Blackberry. I love using the Iphone about 10x as much.
Sure, the Blackberry has 10x more features and better sofware, but the Iphone is a lot easier and nicer to use.
That's just my opionon though (no Apple fanboy love here). I could also list a few things about the Iphone that annoy me. | |
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join:2005-05-22
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| Blah blah blah The Blackberry is a horrible phone. It doesn't fit nicely in your hand, it doesn't fit nicely against your ear, it gets excessively warm and the audio just sucks.
Blackberry has this large market share because:
1. It works with Exchange, and Exchange is the business email, calendaring and collaborative tool. End of game for the business world.
2. It's available on all carriers. End of game for everyone else who isn't willing to be tied to AT&T for two years (or who has been bitten in the past by AT&T).
This "which is better" argument is really moot because even when the iPhone does support Exchange, the IT lackeys are not going to want to support it. | |
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| Re: Blah blah blah See now there's a phone for everyone.
I find that the Blackberry Pearl and Curve have the best audio on any cell phone I have used and I have used many of them.
The sound is LOUD when you need it to be and not the least bit tinny.
Mine never gets warm and I haven't had a problem with it on my ear.
We are both entitled to our opinions and I agree with your2 numeric points - just not on the other subjective comments you made and I subjectively replied to you with my experience.
I had someone tell me once that his conversation with me was the most realistic sounding call he had heard in a long time.
Maybe you used an older Blackberry before they really stepped up their game and made them better? | |
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It's cool, I'm takin it back
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| said by clickie :The Blackberry is a horrible phone. It doesn't fit nicely in your hand, it doesn't fit nicely against your ear, it gets excessively warm and the audio just sucks. Blackberry has this large market share because: 1. It works with Exchange, and Exchange is the business email, calendaring and collaborative tool. End of game for the business world. 2. It's available on all carriers. End of game for everyone else who isn't willing to be tied to AT&T for two years (or who has been bitten in the past by AT&T). This "which is better" argument is really moot because even when the iPhone does support Exchange, the IT lackeys are not going to want to support it. I agree. Most businesses aren't going to jump on a bandwagon just because it's a popular consumer device. Most businesses want a critical piece of equipment that has been proven and enables their employees to do their job easier. Maybe when the iPhone gets more business apps, it will be more popular in the business world. | |
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join:2001-11-10
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join:2002-01-21
Birmingham, AL
| Re: Love mine The problem I have with the iphone is price and the main problem is ATT. I'm a tmobile customer and I'm not about to switch service for aq iphone so basically it needs to be offered at multiple cell companies. However I'm overdue for a new phone so I will be going to blackberry every provider offers them. | |
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| Not surprising This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who watches the cell phone industry. The iPhone is following predictable patterns for the industry similar to Motorola's RAZR line. Everybody who wanted one got one, the rest bought cheaper knock offs, eventually the novelty wore off. IF Apple is to ultimately succeed here, they have got do a couple of things.
1. Sell it to more than just AT&T customers. Until this happens, Apple is no threat to RIM.
2. Product differentiation. Apple needs more than just an "iPhone." They need several different products that will appeal to several different market segments. One size does not fit all in this industry and RIM has them beat here as well.
This of course presupposes, as the article does, that Apple is aiming to "take out" RIM. They're going to have a tough time doing that, though, BlackBerries are a business standard and iPhones are, well, mostly thought of as novelties or electronic toys/gadgets. To Apple's credit, licensing ActiveSync from Microsoft will help them in this arena.
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join:2005-10-23
Indianapolis, IN
| Re: Android OS? I have both iphone and blackberry 8310 with att. I got to tell you blackberry is the only that constantly deliveries my email. The problem with, iphone is when it hasnt been touched like over night , it will stop checking email and then wont do so again until u get it doing it again. Some say it is a bug but god damn it , when I tell it day in and day out to check my email either every 15 minutes or every hours it best do it. It does do it , it starts out doing it then it stops when idle to long or at least that is what I am guessing is the root cause. A few times it stop after a short idle to. Pisses me off , I actually bought the iphone before the blackberry not once but twice , because I went back to sprint then sprint wouldnt give me my money back for return equipment that didnt function so I went back to att. Any how back to the point iphone I like for alot but it disappoints me in that regard enough to buy the blackberry. Both I still have active, any how I dont believe activesync will be as good as others think because on all my phones it drains just as bad as pop checking every 15 minutes which is a bad battery drain. Blackberry seems to handle it pretty well without alot of battery drain but seems to not handle bluetooth well and drains fast like 1 day of usage. Although with bluetooth not in use you will get several days out of it. | |
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Blackberry Twice as Popular as iPhone
waiting for iPhone 3G not reason for Blackberry surge
Apple Cell Phones obsolete before the contract expires.
