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join:2001-11-21
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clubs: | Unfortunately, we now welcome this years most popular client A Bit Torrent client that can successfully download without uploading? Yeah, this is every leecher's dream. Hopefully trackers will simply ban any clients running it. | |
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redxii
too big to fail
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Texas | Re: Unfortunately, we now welcome this years most popular client Maybe that explains why I upload at full speed but only get a 400byte/second download... | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Unfortunately, we now welcome this years most popular client said by redxii  :Maybe that explains why I upload at full speed but only get a 400byte/second download... Yep, if I upload but cap to say, 50% of my total upload so I can still do my normal tasks, I receive crap for download speed.
BT is nice in theory, but it sucks on an asymmetric connection. I hate it when I have to use it.
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1 edit | Re: Unfortunately, we now welcome this years most popular clientsaid by Matt :said by redxii :Maybe that explains why I upload at full speed but only get a 400byte/second download... Yep, if I upload but cap to say, 50% of my total upload so I can still do my normal tasks, I receive crap for download speed. But this way you can still get in trouble for spreading copyrighted content.
Now people can download as much copyrighted content as they want, with the protection of usenet and the price of bittorrent. It's win win!
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Kihei, HI
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| I upload at 2/3 of my 768kbit upload max. That's enough to get me close to max capacity (3mbit) down on popular torrents. Even with less popular files, I rarely get less than what I give.
I'm not sure if it made much difference but, under transfer options in Azureus, I upped the "Max number of connections per torrent default" setting significantly. I rarely dl more than one or two files at a time... so I wanted to use as much resources on those files as possible. See »www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Ad···settings
The default per torrent is 70. The global default is 300. IIRC, I set the per torrent to 250 and the global to 500. THe additional overhead is worth it (I think) and my aging computer is not particularly laggy because of it either.
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join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT | Re: Unfortunately, we now welcome this years most popular client I have my client set to upload at 40 KB/s even though I max out around 90 KB/s upload (768 Kbps upstream). On a few particular torrents, I've actually achieved speeds of 1.1 MB/s (megabytes, not bits) which pretty much maxes out my downstream speed. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| said by Matt :Yep, if I upload but cap to say, 50% of my total upload so I can still do my normal tasks, I receive crap for download speed. BT is nice in theory, but it sucks on an asymmetric connection. I hate it when I have to use it. Ever since I replaced my Westell WireSpeed modem with a SpeedStream modem, that problem has gone away. Apparently, the new SpeedStream modem can optimize for ACK packets, and that mitigates slow surfing.
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japan
| said by redxii :Maybe that explains why I upload at full speed but only get a 400byte/second download... Yeah, it's starting to piss me off.. I'm at 94% on a torrent, and my speeds dropped to 0-3kB/s wtf.. There are like 500+ seeds and double the downloaders..
It's weird how my upload is great though..
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL | Ze crooks are wanting to kick out the freeloading crooks. That about it?  | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Unfortunately, we now welcome this years most popular client said by kyramilan :Ze crooks are wanting to kick out the freeloading crooks. That about it? If you're talking Warez or music ... yes.
But this client could help legit torrent downloads as well.
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join:2003-03-18
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| 'They' are always busy doing something... If they can't successfully poison some of the networks with bad content maybe they could have success with poisoning the network with evil clients?
This is just a brain dead idea anyway so anyone that truly cared about p2p file distribution would never create such a thing. I'm guessing that "follow the money" will lead to an answer in this situation.
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| Re: 'They' are always busy doing something... said by Sean :The future of BitTorrent lies in private trackers, and the best thing about those trackers is the admins can ban any client they wish to. The future of non-legal downloading with bittorrent lies in private trackers... maybe.
It works fine for what I use it mostly for.
Don't confuse the content with the application.
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Re: 'They' are always busy doing something... Most private trackers (like Demonoid) have a ratio you must meet. Plus you have to be invited to join by a current member or wait until a Friday to sign up. If you don't keep a 1:1 ratio download:upload or close to one, you are kicked out. | |
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join:2003-06-20 | There's always someone to spoil it. Totally lame. Every tracker should ban this leeching trash pronto.
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. Typical comment by our resident shrill | |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Someone needs to ask him how long he's been on the RIAA/
MPAA payroll. That ought to be the standard response when
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TFTC
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Fairfield, OH
| said by hopeflicker :said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. Typical comment by our resident shrill How many will you call shills? All who agree with him? I have news for you. There are a fair number of people who believe it's illegal to download copyrighted material without paying for it. Will you call us all shills?
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA | Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. If other users are making comments that are pro big corporations/oppress the small man or appear to be astroturfing, then yes. | |
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by hopeflicker :If other users are making comments that are pro big corporations/oppress the small man or appear to be astroturfing, then yes. Because all big corporations are evil, all small men are great, and everyone who downloads music is just fighting the man. I've heard it all before, it's all worthless.
You want music? Pay for it.
You want movies? Pay for them.
You want software? Pay for it.
You want them for free? You deal with me and GOLFnSUN admonishing you for breaking the law and being so stupid to post about it on a public website accessible to millions of people, not to mention the RIAA, MPAA, and law enforcement.
You have no respect for the artists from which you steal.
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by hopeflicker :No, i do have respect for the artists. It's the **AA that *WE* don't have respect for. The artists are paid regardless. It's naive to believe that contract terms haven't changed as a result of media piracy.
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Capitalism breeds greed
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by yock :said by hopeflicker :No, i do have respect for the artists. It's the **AA that *WE* don't have respect for. The artists are paid regardless. It's naive to believe that contract terms haven't changed as a result of media piracy. Yeah, you're right. The contracts are changing.
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. Just like any other business. Those fronting the money are seeing their profits fall, so the people who produce at their behest suffer.
It's basic economics, not evil domination.
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hopeflicker
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1 edit | Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by yock : Those fronting the money are seeing their profits fall. No one really knows *IF* their profits are falling. Can you honestly believe any of those skewed statistics that the recording industry vomits regarding P2P is killing them? | |
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by hopeflicker :said by yock : Those fronting the money are seeing their profits fall. No one really knows *IF* their profits are falling. Can you honestly believe any of those skewed statistics that the recording industry vomits regarding P2P is killing them? No, but if everyone follows your example and stops paying for their media, what money are they supposed to use to pay artists.
Your justification, that artists are paid regardless, is predicated on the fact that some people still buy their media. That means you're exploiting the very people you're admonishing for paying for it. They make your free ride possible.
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join:2003-06-20
| said by hopeflicker :No, i do have respect for the artists. It's the **AA that *WE* don't have respect for. The artists are paid regardless. Yep. That's why I go indie.
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There never was a second I in my name
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Salem, MA
| Oh dear. Please, RIAA and MPAA, find the IP insder.ath.cx traces back to and raid my house for downloading movies/music illegally. Whatever you do, don't check my Divx DVD player with a flash drive (easy piracy, no converting!). The millions of people here may go forth and report me: »www.mpaa.org/ReportPiracy.asp or 1-800-NO-COPYS.
 I expect my door kicked in within the evening.
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
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| "oppress the small man"? What is this, the '60s? Or did your Enzyte run out?
Expressing your own opinions is not "astroturfing", by the way. It's pretty well established where GOLFnSUN comes down on P2P and he's quite consistent about it. What is your motivation?
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Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by Mchart :said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. These clients effect more then warez/music/movie downloads. Of course, you refuse to understand that. But most bit torrent users are using it for stealing copyrighted material. The small percentage that use it to download legitimate material don't remove the stigma from the illegitimate majority.
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pkarlos_76
join:2004-08-24
Edmonton, AB
| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by GOLFnSUN :said by Mchart :said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. These clients effect more then warez/music/movie downloads. Of course, you refuse to understand that. But most bit torrent users are using it for stealing copyrighted material. The small percentage that use it to download legitimate material don't remove the stigma from the illegitimate majority. Okay, so because most people are speeders, we should punish everyone? Need I say gone is the innocent until proven guilty!!! Dictators are not welcome here, so leave before I start a revolution. To arms my friends, fight for our freedoms for the confederates seek to take away your way of life my friends!!!!! 
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD | Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. Here here! And somebody go arrest those indians dumping all that tea into Boston Harbor! They're breaking the law and must be punished!! | |
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mcmillan
join:2001-04-15
West Bloomfield, MI | I almost forgot. Do not IM me Sir we have no private conversation. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Over 3 weeks of seeding, I get a share ratio of 22, yet there still is only 0-2 seeds. Now I just
"block upload" if a peer has more than 70%, or if its a BitComet, "Kick Ban" since it defeats "block upload". If I stop giving the peer data they will have to sit around and try to negotitate with other peers (who can get pieces from me cuz they arent 70% yet) for data, which includes some trading action. I wish there was a feature where I can limit the speed of each peer I am uploading to (I am seed) to 1 or 2 kBps, if I have 5 peers, I upload 5kBps on that torrent, 20 peers, 20kBps. It forces peers to stay around and do some "torrent action" rather than use me as a file server. Also, peers should ask peers "what IPs can I talk to check that you are uploading since I dont trust a word you say?". Leechers and 99% of internet users wont have multiple public IPs to run fake peers that say "he uploaded 50 gigs to me" to get downloads for the leecher peer. | |
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AtlGuy
join:2000-10-17
Marietta, GA
| said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. Some people like myself use BitTorrent (although not very much) and don't download/upload copyright material, but thanks for labeling me a thief. | |
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DreamWraith
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join:2004-04-07
Mount Vernon, WA
·Comcast
| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. Where exactly did he label you a thief? If you are referring to his comment about morality, he only referenced *most* BT users, not *all. The only other way I can see you thinking he called you a thief is if YOU are using BitThief, in which case you can kindly gtfo and stfu. | |
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mcmillan
join:2001-04-15
West Bloomfield, MI
| QUOTE:
"people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users."
I usually do not post but I could not stand you offending people such as myself. FYI I HAVE NEVER DOWNLOADED NEITHER MOVIE NOR MUSIC USING TORRENTS. I HOPE YOU CAN TAKE TIME TO READ THIS POST YOU... (I DO NOT KNOW GOOD ENOUGH WORD TO OFFEND YOU WITHOUT VENTURING OUTSIDE LITERARY ENGLISH)
I should think that, torrent using, members of BBR forums should request a formal apology from you.
TO THE FORUM'S MODERATOR. Could we have this person banned if he/she will not beg forgiveness | |
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join:2006-04-22
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1 edit | said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. Yep, and most of the people living in the middle east are terrorists too.
Just because "most" BitTorrent users use the service for illegal purposes doesn't mean everyone does. The company I work for uses it to distribute software updates to customers quickly and easily, whether it be in the same office or across the country. While not as effective as a direct HTTP download it allows us to distribute bandwidth from multiple servers across the country, and we do push quite a bit of bandwidth monthly. | |
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GOLFnSUN
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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| Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. said by cc2iscool :said by GOLFnSUN :people not playing by the rules. Go to it "Bit Thief" users. You fit right in with the lack of morality shown by most BitTorrent users. Just because "most" BitTorrent users use the service for illegal purposes doesn't mean everyone does. Gee, now I just re-read my post and nowhere did I say everyone does. In fact I said "MOST" users do. So what is your point since you agree with what I said.
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2 edits | Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. I am sorry to ask. Where do I agree with you? Who agrees with you? Do you know MOST of the users??? In fact you said what you said.
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2 edits |  Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about ..
I am curious.
1. Why am I not allowed to quote IM? /I know why already./
2.Why was my comment removed? It was not a part of IM message.
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GOLFnSUN
Enjoy the sun
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IMPORTANT: IMs ARE CONSIDERED TO BE PRIVATE AMONG MEMBERS OF THIS SITE. THEIR CONTENTS SHOULD NOT BE REPRODUCED ANYWHERE, ON THIS SITE OR ANY OTHER, WITHOUT THE EXPRESS CONSENT OF THE ORIGINATING MEMBER. TO DO SO MAY BE VIOLATING THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF ANOTHER MEMBER'S PRIVACY, AND WILL MOST CERTAINLY HAVE NEGATIVE RESULTS.
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4 edits | Re: I think it is funny - music & video thieves whining about .. Thank you that was most informative.
Would you ,expressly, agree to have the message posted???
Quoting may violate the warm, fuzzy feeling of safety. The thing you have written at the end of the message was really inappropriate. It is not up to you to decide if someone wants an apology neither you should be telling me where to post or how to react. | |
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join:2001-06-17
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Cloud Strife
join:2003-09-10
Ironton, OH | How bout a mix and match What if you used used two programs to accomplish your goals. One Bittorrent client to download your content as fast as possible then share only when you are done.
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| Re: How bout a mix and match said by Cloud Strife :What if you used used two programs to accomplish your goals. One Bittorrent client to download your content as fast as possible then share only when you are done. Do you guys consider that wrong? how would you download any faster that way?
Just set your torrents to share at 1/4 your upload speed, you'll have more than enough bandwidth left over, and then after your download is done tell it to max out your upload.
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| Re: How bout a mix and match I don't know about you but I think the servers or the clients themselves now add your overhead into that upload cap. So even if you where to lower the cap at any rate you will still get the same speeds regardless of how much upload you have spared for your download speed. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| I like the BitTyrant Concept I have a very fast Upload Link (5Mbs) and use it when I run BitTorents. Often I connect to Leaches that suck my pieces at over 100Kbs, have pieces that I need, yet have me choked (ie: Are acting as a pure leach). At least with BitTyrant these leaches will be cut off at the knees and get throttled. I have no problem with supporting a Leach at that speed but only if there are no pieces that I need from them - So long as they have pieces to trade with me, I want them to send them. I'll have to look at the BitTyrant methodology specs to see if they do not penalize a Leach who is flagged as Non-Interested (ie: Who only has pieces I already have). | |
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Nanoprobe
Crunching in subspace
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clubs: | Re: I like the BitTyrant Concept If you run azureus,simply download and install the stuffer plugin, add bitthief or any other client you feel is leeching to the ban list and proceed. End of leechers.
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RARPSL
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| Re: I like the BitTyrant Concept said by Nanoprobe :If you run azureus,simply download and install the stuffer plugin, add bitthief or any other client you feel is leeching to the ban list and proceed. End of leechers. You are misinterpreting my complaint. I do not care about what client the peer is running. I am complaining about peers who suck down pieces from me at a high rate but who (although they have pieces I want/need) refuse to reciprocate since they have me choked. If they have nothing I need (even though I still need pieces) then I am willing to cut them some slack on their download speed since I am (in essence) acting as a seed in that case and once I become a real seed (ie: Have 100% of the pieces) I am going to be sending to lots of leaching peers who are retuning nothing in exchange. | |
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Nanoprobe
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join:2004-01-13
Tucson, AZ
| FYI the ClientID string for BitTyrant is 'AzureusBitTyrant 2.5.0.0BitTyrant' and the ClientID for BitThief is 'Mainline 4.4.0'.
If you don't mind blocking people using the mainline client, then the Stuffer plugin will work great for blocking BitThief.
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1 edit | Re: I like the BitTyrant Concept said by haze_nme :FYI the ClientID string for BitTyrant is 'AzureusBitTyrant 2.5.0.0BitTyrant' and the ClientID for BitThief is 'Mainline 4.4.0'. If you don't mind blocking people using the mainline client, then the Stuffer plugin will work great for blocking BitThief. Hope this info helps. Haze FWIW the newest version of stuffer allows you to ban clients by version. Banning mainline 4.4.0 would not effect other mainline users. I haven't used Azureus in quite a while so I downloaded the latest beta just to play with it. I limited the number of peer connections to 100, added BitThief and BitTyrant to the ban list and let it run for an hour. Of the 100 connections,95 were Azureus and the other 5 were UTorrent. No one showed up on the ban list. All that being said, all this cat and mouse crap is a waste of time anyway. Azureus has another plugin that disguises the type of client it reports to the tracker and I'm sure the others could add the same code string to their client if they haven't already. I think you'll see a time when Azureus will only connect to other Azureus users and will also be able to weed out the disguised ones. For me BT has become too much of a pain to bother with it anymore. If I need something that bad I'll just use newsgroups.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Who cares Pretending you're a new peer is going to get you the file, but it's not going to be very fast. Bittorrent chooses what peers to upload to based on how fast a download it's getting from those peers; the only exception is one slot which uploads to any random peer in the hopes that that peer will either reciprocate and might be faster than the other slots or that that peer is new and will now have a bit to share; this is known as "Optimistic Unchoke". The reality is that this new client will have crappy downloads because it doesn't reciprocate and thus will only get pieces when another peer puts them on optimistic unchoke; they'll get the file eventually but it might be a very long time on large files.
It hurts the swarm but not enough to actually worry about and will quickly be banned by a lot of trackers (as it should).
That being said, everyone needs to quit getting bent out of shape about who's uploading how much too whom. If you want to seed a file seed the damn file and be confident in the knowledge that someone out there appreciates your efforts; if it bothers you that someone downloaded 50 megabytes from you but didn't upload anything, go start one of those stupid FTP sites that won't let anyone download more than they've uploaded.
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| Re: Who cares Did you read the paper? They found that they were not significantly slower than a co-operating client, mainly because they'd connect to a far larger number of clients than a normal co-operating client.
Of course, a useful "bit thief" client would lie and claim it was some legitimate client. The only way to stop it is to detect the tricks it uses and ban based on that. Which means you get a war between the cheaters and the non-cheaters.
For instance, Bit Thief always claims to have no parts; if a peer who you know you've sent stuff to keeps claiming that, blacklist him. Bit Thief can then be upgraded to claim to have parts, but only those the peer it is leeching from already has sent it. This could be detected too but it would be more difficult to distinguish a cheater from some poor slob with poor connectivity. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: Who cares said by russotto :Did you read the paper? They found that they were not significantly slower than a co-operating client, mainly because they'd connect to a far larger number of clients than a normal co-operating client. Ok, so if thats evidence of anything it's evidence of the swam having a lot of unused capacity. Until theres a client that can convince other clients that it's uploaded good data without uploading anything and thus get a normal download slot I don't see a big problem except with people who are kept up at night haunted by the thoughts of someone out ther having downloaded data without sharing.
I mean what happens if a significant number of people use a client that doesn't upload? Slight slowdowns for good clients and massive slowdowns for the leechers as they compete for optimistic unchoke slots; Much like an FTP site the more people that pick up on this the less useful it becomes.
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| Re: Who cares said by Combat Chuck :Ok, so if thats evidence of anything it's evidence of the swam having a lot of unused capacity. Yep. Other evidence of that is the fact that Azureus's "LAN Finder" plug-in speeds up downloads. It would be interesting to see the performance an aggressive-startup co-operating client could achieve. | |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| the way I think BT should work I believe for optimal fast downloads, bit torrent should download from each user in the swarm at whatever their max capacity is. In other words, if my upstream is 1mbps and I'm a seed, other leechers should pull from me at my full upstream ability of 1mbps. If 2 other seeders have say a 768 and 384kbps upload link, leechers should also pull from them at their max speed. If this occured, in the example I gave, one leecher grabbing a torrent with just 3 seeders would be able to download the file at 2.17 megabits per second, or about 270 kilobytes per second. And that's with just 3 seeders. Imagine what could be done with a torrent with dozens of seeders on a mix of cable/dsl/fiber connections? As much as I like bit torrent, that's it's major downside. It takes a good 15 minutes to get full speed and downloads almost always start at a rediculously slow speed like 3 or 2 kilobytes a second! When I grab a torrent I'd like to be able to get it as fast as the total capacity of the swarm, with preference on seeders of course. This is why in some cases, downloading via usenet is a faster option, because downloading 8 gigabytes of data takes just a couple hours, not 2 days or more. | |
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SirXILE
The SolWar 2-1
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join:2001-02-24
Brooklyn, NY | Hm... I wonder if this will stay in the long run for broadband, user only people.  | |
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