Bit Torrent: P2P King - 53% of all p2p file-sharing traffic

Bit Torrent: P2P King
53% of all p2p file-sharing traffic
(old news - 09:12AM Monday Oct 25 2004)
tags: Fileswapping · software

Earlier this year P2P traffic-monitoring company CacheLogic noted that more data is now being transferred via BitTorrent than by any other P2P network worldwide (53%). As Technology Review Notes, that popularity is rising, and shows no indication of slowing down anytime soon. So far the film and music industries haven't targeted Bit Torrent as much as they have other clients, but according to a BayTSP source in the article, that won't last much longer.

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pleekmo Triptoe Through The Tulips Premium join:2001-09-14 Manchester, CT clubs:	RIAA vs. World I wonder if the RIAA will come after me for all the GD I download. I can't wait to see how good (bad) their autosearch methods work with BT. I can just imagine that somewhere they will f*** up and think I'm downloading some copywrited content.
	permalink · 2004-10-25 09:15:44 ·

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Re: RIAA vs. World

said by pleekmo

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I wonder if the RIAA will come after me for all the GD I download. I can't wait to see how good (bad) their autosearch methods work with BT. I can just imagine that somewhere they will f*** up and think I'm downloading some copywrited content.

If you haven't downloaded anything, I'm sure it won't be a problem.

It'll be easier for them to track who's dl'ing what because of the way the tracker works. Just look in the console while downloading a popular torrent.

I already use a dynamically updated IP exclusion list. I'm always amazed at the number of restricted IP's that try to connect.
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permalink · 2004-10-25 16:28:37 · Print ·

slyride join:2004-11-01	Re: RIAA vs. World said by Nerdtalker : said by pleekmo : I already use a dynamically updated IP exclusion list. I'm always amazed at the number of restricted IP's that try to connect. How do you do that? Hardware or Software based?
	permalink · 2004-11-01 02:26:43 · Print ·

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i download live performances from all kinds of bands that allow taping, and have even used BT for some of it as of late.

if they even tried to bring up one of their copyright cases against me they would come off looking kind of silly when it's easy enough to show that the "infringing" files are all perfectly legal, i doubt it would even be neccesary to retain an attorney for such a case, but at worst if it was i would expect that it wouldn't be excessively hard to be compensated for that expense (well, i gotta admit i'm just hoping that would be the case in such a situation since it would surely seem right)

i can't even imagine why people would bother with the generic studio produced crap that most share when there is such a plethora of bands that allow live taping, the quality of some of these recordings is really outstanding, and the lists of bands that allow it seems to be growing very quickly over the last few years, and the shows are generally by bands that take pride in their live performances and figure that they can help make new fans by allowing them to be shared freely.

not to mention the general trend of their fans to use nice lossless compression like shn or flac

permalink · 2004-10-25 17:45:13 · Print ·

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ummmm no. as long as you havent downloaded any etree/bt sourced shows that directly conflict with the gd stated policy on live music downloads. more specifically, we are requested to not download any shows which have been officially released by gdp unless it is an audience sourced recording of that same show. ethically, as a group, i find most bt/etree/archive.org users to adhere to this request.
i have been a siteop on the etree network for 5 years so far and i find it(etree/archive.org) to be a wonderful self-policing organization. bt is nice, archive.org is awesome, but i prefer my good ole fashioned FTP network.

permalink · 2004-10-25 20:53:12 · Print ·

Rexter YeeHaw join:2002-11-17 cloud 9 edit: October 25th, @10:03AM	Shhhhhhhhh! Boy, the media just can't keep their mouth shut! Lol that's ok, BT wasn't built for this purpose anyway. I think that it won't be long before you see many options that will make you anonymous on the internet.
	permalink · 2004-10-25 09:20:39 ·

exocet_cm Signal 26's Rock Premium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA clubs: ·Cox HSI ·Network Telephone .. ·Suddenlink ·Cingular Wireless	Re: Shhhhhhhhh! ...where people burn the music to CD then send it to you via US Mail... It's a federal offense to open up somebody's mail (unless your the postmaster). -- I know that God is real, but I don't think He created this vast universe just for us. Seti@Home & Seti@Boinc
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Re: Shhhhhhhhh!

said by exocet_cm :
...where people burn the music to CD then send it to you via US Mail...

It's a federal offense to open up somebody's mail (unless your the postmaster).

Umm, what about a court order? OR what about when the person selling these things gets caught, remember all the fun the people who bought bootleg cable boxes got into when the person they bought from got caught?
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permalink · 2004-10-25 11:07:31 · Print ·

SND2005 Premium join:2001-09-15 Im Over Here	Hahha... I can see the RIAA office in the post office now....
	permalink · 2004-10-25 09:31:32 ·

inteller Sociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK ·Cingular Wireless	monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha Yes, go ahead and monitor BT, this will be hilarious. Seeing as how there is no way they can prove you have the whole file they are searching at you for. I think an enhancement to the BT system needs to be a final chunk that is sent via PGP so you can only put pieces together between trusted peers.
	permalink · 2004-10-25 09:49:44 ·

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Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha

said by inteller :
Yes, go ahead and monitor BT, this will be hilarious. Seeing as how there is no way they can prove you have the whole file they are searching at you for.

Something tells me they don't care how much of the file you may be uploading, just that you are uploading the file. Technically you are guilty when the first byte leaves your computer. When the RIAA sues your ass, you can use that argument, and fail. "I was only violating copyrights a little bit"/"I only had a few drinks officer"

said by inteller :
I think an enhancement to the BT system needs to be a final chunk that is sent via PGP so you can only put pieces together between trusted peers.

Ignoring the fact that they don't care if you only share 1/2 the file or 100%, Who decides who's trusted? You? Some random person who created the torrent? Some website you find on the web?

Newsgrous, IRC, or FTP are your safest and fastest way to get what you want.
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Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha

said by hitachi369

said by inteller :
Yes, go ahead and monitor BT, this will be hilarious. Seeing as how there is no way they can prove you have the whole file they are searching at you for.

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Something tells me they don't care how much of the file you may be uploading, just that you are uploading the file. Technically you are guilty when the first byte leaves your computer. When the RIAA sues your ass, you can use that argument, and fail. "I was only violating copyrights a little bit"/"I only had a few drinks officer"

This is true, but how can they prove the bits and bytes that were leaving your computer are actual mp3's? Many torrents contain album pictures and txt files. How can the RIAA prove that you simply did not just upload the picture data? Not to mention, that the RIAA is going after super-sharers, usually torrents contains an album or two, but nothing close to 1000 songs.
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permalink · 2004-10-25 11:52:28 · Print ·

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Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha

said by Omega :
This is true, but how can they prove the bits and bytes that were leaving your computer are actual mp3's?

Same way they prove that you have 1000's of mp3 in kazza. Assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it.

said by Omega :
How can the RIAA prove that you simply did not just upload the picture data?

Pictures, mostlikly covers are also copyrighted. Also assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it.

said by Omega :
Not to mention, that the RIAA is going after super-sharers, usually torrents contains an album or two, but nothing close to 1000 songs.

Just wait till BT market share gets even larger, you will see them shift from other networks to BT. It is inevitable, go to where the crime is at.
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Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha

said by hitachi369

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Same way they prove that you have 1000's of mp3 in kazza. Assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it.

Pictures, most likely covers are also copyrighted. Also assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it.

Just wait till BT market share gets even larger, you will see them shift from other networks to BT. It is inevitable, go to where the crime is at.
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No they cannot tell what you are uploading, weather it be 1 file or multiple files in bit torrent easily (if you have ever seen a torrent file they usually have multiple files in one). It is very difficult to determine what a user uploads to other users. witch brings up another point, its the RIAA who has to confirm that u have the file by downloading a section of the file from you, you can argue that They were the only one to receive that data and that you did not send it to any other party. They would have to prove that you did (burden of proof is on the Prosector, However since its a non criminal case it doesent have to be Absolute proof). 2ed you can Challenge the DMCA and say that it Violates the Constitution. 3rd if you happen to own the thing ur downloading and Uploading you can state that it is legal for you to have download a copy of what you already own (then state that your not Liable for what other people do with what your uploading). About your statement "Wait for the BT market to grow" it doesent matter BT is Decentralised and they can only see what you are Downloading at a given time. So at most the MPAA will see about 16 Infractions if your downloading an album and it would take them a while to compond a list of 1000+ offenses againts you (By collecting MAC and Ip addresses Constantly from differnt Music Files being Traded). BT is Pretty safe in my book (unless ur running a tracker).

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Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha

What are you people thinking? Of course they can tell what you're uploading and downloading. Anyone who connects to the tracker can get a list of people on the torrent, and anyone on the torrent can see how much of the file you have. I don't know where you got your legal and technical advice but you're wrong on so many counts. Another issue is that it's illegal to download a file - no sharing necessary. I can't tell you how many people believe that as long as you don't upload, you're in the clear.
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permalink · 2004-10-25 21:45:56 · Print ·

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bittorrent is dead, long live bittorrent ;)

have you noticed that there have been no new official client releases for quiet a while?
did you know that is because Bram Cohen is working on so called 'bittorrent2' protocol is will be significantly superior to current bt protocol. and once 'bt2' protocol is stable, it'll be included in Valve's Steam technology.
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permalink · 2004-10-25 09:52:42 ·

Voyager2K2 join:2001-10-04 Wayne, PA ·Verizon FIOS	Deceptive Presentation CacheLogic is trying to sell something. They really juggle the numbers in an effort to promote their product. This is not a scientific paper but an ad and should be taken with a grain of salt. That being said I have always felt that P2P is an incredible waste of bandwidth.
	permalink · 2004-10-25 10:11:45 ·

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the riaa is not going to win like this. if it was possible to shut bt down, we'd just move to something else. the riaa needs to understant this and instead of going against the trend, they should go with it.

i mean, napster was from what? 1998-1999? it's now 2004. online piracy has only escalated. it's easier to get what you want and you download it much faster than 5 years ago. their efforts are fairly useless. if we loose bt, something better will appear. it'll be de-centralized and it may even be encrtypted. best thing to do is have a member system as well. as soon as you can trust someone (i.e, make sure they are uploading pirated data) let them on.

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DageonYar join:2002-12-18 Kemptville, ON	Re: Deceptive Presentation said by Roop : best thing to do is have a member system as well. as soon as you can trust someone (i.e, make sure they are uploading pirated data) let them on. LMAO!!!! WooT! I can trust you because you're a pirate!! Weeee... Now nuthin against BT'ers and pirates in general, I just thought that line was hilarious!
	permalink · 2004-10-25 12:02:49 · Print ·

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said by Roop

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best thing to do is have a member system as well. as soon as you can trust someone (i.e, make sure they are uploading pirated data) let them on.

That wouldn't work in this case since the RIAA can legally upload music as far as I know since they have the copywrite on it.
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timoteo21 join:2002-05-14 Los Angeles, CA	said by Voyager2K2 : That being said I have always felt that P2P is an incredible waste of bandwidth. My thoughts as well. The article shows that BitTorrent consumes the most bandwidth, but without any measure of how much useful work gets done.
	permalink · 2004-10-25 20:15:38 ·

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Re: Deceptive Presentation

said by timoteo21

said by Voyager2K2

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That being said I have always felt that P2P is an incredible waste of bandwidth.

My thoughts as well. The article shows that BitTorrent consumes the most bandwidth, but without any measure of how much useful work gets done.

Sorry, it's not your call about what's a waste of bandwidth. You may not think P2P is a legitimate use of the Internet, but until you pay for my connection it's really not your call.
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jammddr join:2000-09-14 Space	Re: Deceptive Presentation Amen!!
	permalink · 2004-10-25 23:22:34 ·

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I wasn't making any judgement on the merits of the files received. I was just saying we have no idea how much useable data is actually received. Is BitTorrent delivering the most data to end-users, or simply using the most bandwidth?

Even if it is incredibly wasteful of network resources I don't blame anyone for using it. It's really up to the network operators to control their resources. Just don't be surprised when the caps come down.

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Oh, sorry about that. I wouldn't say BT is wasteful of network resources. It's actually very efficient about what it sends. But since it's a well-designed protocol, transfers quickly attain high speeds. For distributing large files to the most people possible, BT is the best protocol out there. I think if ISPs cap it, they're shooting themselves in the foot - isn't this the purpose of the Internet? All their ads are about streaming movies, free music, instant games. ISPs shouldn't be surprised when people actually use their connection for its advertised purpose.
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Well...

Part of the advantage of BT is that it is extremely decentralized. The one thing that i can think of the RIAA/MPAA doing is shutting down the major trackers, but there will just be more of the smaller ones instead. By the way, Brahm Cohen has already stated that it was never his intent to have bittorrent be used for piracy, and as such he will not build security precautions into it. I dont see the death of BT for a while, however i am sure a new and much spiffier tech will come along soon enough

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said by fundamentalz

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Part of the advantage of BT is that it is extremely decentralized. The one thing that i can think of the RIAA/MPAA doing is shutting down the major trackers, but there will just be more of the smaller ones instead. By the way, Brahm Cohen has already stated that it was never his intent to have bittorrent be used for piracy, and as such he will not build security precautions into it. I dont see the death of BT for a while, however i am sure a new and much spiffier tech will come along soon enough

I can see them trying to shut down the trackers, but ALOT of the trackers are hosted on overseas servers in countries that aren't under USA law, and in effect, aren't doing anything illegal hosting the tracker files (not that it's illegal in the USA...yet, but I can see them trying to make it illegal to cut back on piracy).

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porkchops ...meh Premium join:2003-05-17 Saint Marys, WV ·Verizon Online DSL	Re: Well... quote: I can see them trying to shut down the trackers, but ALOT of the trackers are hosted on overseas servers in countries that aren't under USA law, and in effect, aren't doing anything illegal hosting the tracker files very true I remember this tracker (based out of Sweden) posting their legal threats... PirateBay.Com
	permalink · 2004-10-25 16:39:04 ·

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Just wanted to add that any "online-spies", the detective for the big companies, are actually breaking the EULA of the big trackers when they log in and download something to view the list of IP's...
If they aren't careful they might actually get sued by the trackers for breaking the EULA and obtaining this information, the IP adresses of the trackers users, illegally...

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permalink · 2004-11-03 23:43:54 ·

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	permalink · 2004-10-25 15:42:42 ·

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	permalink · 2004-10-25 18:40:11 ·

fearspooky join:2004-07-18 Irvine, CA	good sides to bt some programs like "steam" have started delivering game files using similar or the same methods as bittorrent. if bittorrent was to go down, so will the other companies.
	permalink · 2004-10-25 21:22:44 ·

jammddr join:2000-09-14 Space	BT FOREVER! Thanks to BT I have removed all other P2P software from my system. I use Azureus for my BT downloads. BT FOREVER!!!
	permalink · 2004-10-25 23:26:22 ·

Xylin join:2004-11-09 Romania	Addicted to BT Oh yeah! I gave up on using any other P2P clients because of BT and i am more than happy i did it. I simply don't care about the bandwidth it consumes or how many laws it breaks, as long as torrent files exist i get my stuff and RIAA gets the finger. -- Simon says: Share!
	permalink · 2004-11-09 01:33:53 ·

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