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01:56PM Friday Oct 10 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: business · wireless · world · Bell Sympatico · TELUS
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User en102 See Profile writes in to note that Bell Canada and Telus (both currently CDMA 1x/EVDO carriers in Canada) plan to overlay their networks with UMTS/HSPA networks, and ultimately embrace LTE. The shift will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and is estimated to be completed by 2010. AT&T, who here in the States is also embracing HSPA to LTE, says they've got speeds faster than 7Mbps working in the labs, and hopes to offers consumers speeds of 20Mbps by 2010. Meanwhile up north, Bell Canada and Telus are trying to compete with Rogers, who has a several year start in deploying GSM/HSPA technology.


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xenophon

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edit:
October 10th, @02:32PM

Qualcomm making it easier

Qualcomm is making it easier as they will be coming out with CDMA/LTE (and HSPA?) chipsets and base station cards. It may just be a card upgrade in the cellsites rather than a forklift upgrade.

If it turns out to be relatively cheap and easy to migrate CDMA to LTE, don't be surprised if Sprint also goes LTE in 5-7 years or so when Verizon does. Sprint will probably be owned by someone else by then anyway to help fund the upgrade.

WiMAX could become their consumer products wireless division and LTE becomes the cellphone division. Just speculating...

en102
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Re: Qualcomm making it easier

I think there's a lot of money to be made during the 2010 Olympics (international roaming) that Bell/Telus have been currently losing to Rogers. Rogers (GSM) does actually sell WiMAX wireless service as well
I suspect there will be different overall uses for WiMAX and LTE though.
WiMAX may end up more in various devices, I suspect a lot of 'non retail' devices, but more industrial or b2b in addition to many niche products. HSPA/LTE are too tied into the old corp mobile industry at the retail level for handsets.
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brad

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Re: Qualcomm making it easier

said by en102 See Profile :

Rogers (GSM) does actually sell WiMAX wireless service as well
Bell has the exact same service offering, but to be clear it is NOT WiMAX.

Deadpool
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Re: Qualcomm making it easier

said by brad See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :

Rogers (GSM) does actually sell WiMAX wireless service as well
Bell has the exact same service offering, but to be clear it is NOT WiMAX.
Huh? It's ClearWire's WiMax technology they're using.

In fact, on the biz side it's promoted as 'WiMax in Home', for example.

So, how is it NOT WiMax?
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mlerner
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Re: Qualcomm making it easier

said by Deadpool See Profile :

said by brad See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :

Rogers (GSM) does actually sell WiMAX wireless service as well
Bell has the exact same service offering, but to be clear it is NOT WiMAX.
Huh? It's ClearWire's WiMax technology they're using.

In fact, on the biz side it's promoted as 'WiMax in Home', for example.

So, how is it NOT WiMax?
It is based on pre-wimax standards but it is in fact a proprietary wireless protocol.

phoneboy3

@shawcable.net
Actually it is kinda. We are talking about the Inukshuk network jointly owned by Bell/Rogers. It is pre-WiMAX but really it is more or less exactly the same as the ratified fixed WiMAX standard.
patcat88

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said by xenophon See Profile :

Qualcomm is making it easier as they will be coming out with CDMA/LTE (and HSPA?) chipsets and base station cards. It may just be a card upgrade in the cellsites rather than a forklift upgrade.

If it turns out to be relatively cheap and easy to migrate CDMA to LTE, don't be surprised if Sprint also goes LTE in 5-7 years or so when Verizon does. Sprint will probably be owned by someone else by then anyway to help fund the upgrade.

WiMAX could become their consumer products wireless division and LTE becomes the cellphone division. Just speculating...
Qualcomm got their patents into UTMS/HSDPA, so why do they need their proprietary CDMA standard to make them money? They just sit back and watch the $ roll in.

antwanp
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GSM>CDMA 1x

This makes me happy. I was hoping to see a worldwide shift towards LTE in the future. Sorry CDMA 1x, you're a dead format... GSM won.
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xenophon

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Re: GSM>CDMA 1x

Well actually HSPA is not GSM, it's WCDMA.
jtel

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Re: GSM>CDMA 1x

Telstra announced yesterday their HSPA update will be finished by years end. 21Mbps downloads where active now. Lord knows what kind of backhaul is necessary to maintain that with heavy traffic or what the cost will be.

I have to admit the acronyms are very confusing in these next steps of wireless evolution.

NOCMan
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Re: GSM>CDMA 1x

Yeah only expect to see these speeds in cities. Backhaul issues will be immense.

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said by xenophon See Profile :

Well actually HSPA is not GSM, it's WCDMA.
Well HSPA is more like GSM than it is CDMA, the only thing it has in common with CDMA is the air interface.

JackityJack

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said by antwanp See Profile :

This makes me happy. I was hoping to see a worldwide shift towards LTE in the future. Sorry CDMA 1x, you're a dead format... GSM won.
Thats interesting cause HSPA is based on the CDMA wavelength. GSM carriers may be choosing HSPA as their upgrade paths, but HSPA is NOT GSM!!!!

phoneboy3

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Re: GSM>CDMA 1x

HSPA is an upgrade to GSM that in many cases only requires updated software/firmware on the backend equipment. It is NOT a forklift upgrade to GSM like it is to CDMA. Also, it IS backward compatible with GSM unlike CDMA.

Don't get confused by the fact it uses a W-CDMA air interface as others have pointed.
»hspa.gsmworld.com/

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edit:
October 10th, @08:20PM

CDMA 'wavelength' ?
WCDMA / HSPA is a 'CDMA' based air interface which uses 5MHz physical channels, and ties into GSM's MAP core infrastructure (same infrastructure as GSM phones)

CDMA 1x is also a CDMA based air interface, but uses 1.25MHz physical channels and ties into ANSI core (i.e. same core as AMPS and TDMA used)
CDMA EVDO is a data only (IP based) air interface which uses 1.25MHz channels and ties into an IP backend.

Basically... UMTS/WCDMA (HSPA) and GSM utilize the same 'core' and SIM cards.

CDMA2000 (CDMA 1x/EVDO) utilize a different core.

LTE is an IP only based system which 'should' be able to bridge both CDMA EVDO and UMTS/WCDMA (HSPA) and even possibly WiMAX.
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patcat88

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said by antwanp See Profile :

This makes me happy. I was hoping to see a worldwide shift towards LTE in the future. Sorry CDMA 1x, you're a dead format... GSM won.
GSM lost and CDMA won. Qualcomm got their CDMA patents into GSM, and decided to just license patents than worry about market share, and making products, and *gasp* competing.
fiberguy
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Let me be the first...

I'm surprised it's not been said yet, well, not really since it's not cable or Comcast.

... 20 meg wireless internet speeds? WOW! I bet people hit their 5gb cap in a single day! No, wait.. why have 20mb speeds with a 5mb cap?

Have I hit it yet?

I mean, Sorry.. it's not "cable" or a "Comcast" slam.. I still think it fits.
EPS

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Re: Let me be the first...

Bell's smartphone plans make 5GB look downright generous...
stufried
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Re: Let me be the first...

Canadians are being robbed, but this will probably make data roaming far more competitive. Hopefully, they get Vancouver overlayed before the winter Olympics.
chronoss2009

join:2008-09-23

stupid broadband move and fix other areas 1st

so to gt normal speed unthrotled i have to moove to the north pole
nice
and stupid
what 4 people live there?

Bellundo

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Re: stupid broadband move and fix other areas 1st

Alaska would make more sense just as long as you're out of Canada. Broadband will likely die out completely in Canada.
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