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join:2001-03-27 Mishawaka, IN | The solution I thought the solution was to shoot at them... | |
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 |   NetAdmin
join:2008-05-22 | Re: The solution Or for them to blow up.  | |
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 |  patcat88
join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | large caliber sniper rifle from moving car will take care of it quickly, no shotguns, thats just superficial damage, you need to penetrate the PCBs. | |
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 decifal
join:2007-03-10 Bon Aqua, TN | give Put one in my damn yard... I want the services! I can camo the area the cabinet is in to reduce soo called uglyness.... I like to look at it as a sign of advancement of technology.. | |
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join:2007-03-10 Bon Aqua, TN
| Re: give said by supergirl :said by decifal :I like to look at it as a sign of advancement of technology.. Japan laughs at that. Lol, well least I can make em laugh | |
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 |   funchords Robb Topolski Premium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Hillsboro, OR | I'd bet that free service in exchange for a utility box in your yard would quiet some complaints. | |
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 |   lordfly
join:2000-10-12 Homestead, FL
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| said by decifal :Put one in my damn yard... I want the services! I can camo the area the cabinet is in to reduce soo called uglyness.... I like to look at it as a sign of advancement of technology.. I am with you.
Considering where I live is so far out of the timeline I don't have to worry, I would welcome any type of box in my neighborhood, even in my yard. | |
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  c0wzg0m00 m00 c0wz g0 Premium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL clubs: | the flower in the picture gives me XTREEME LULZ! | |
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 Rob2647
join:2008-08-12 Rochester, MI | VRADS They are all over my neck of the woods like freckles on a ginger kid. Most I've seen don't have any landscaping around them. The ones that do some of the evergreens have died or are dying. I don't mind them much. | |
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 |  RocketChild
join:2003-11-24 Round Rock, TX
| Re: VRADS ...the third has AT&T paying $1500 per site regardless if landscaping is necessary. Most Illinois cities are apparently picking the third option, says the source I think it is funny that the city is going with the third option, because it is a revenue stream for them to use at their discretion, without really putting towards the problem of the VRAD like Option Two. | |
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join:2006-10-26 Worcester, MA | Re: VRADS what do you expect politicians to do? SOLVE problems or prance their way around the problem? i'm for the second option. | |
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join:2003-11-24 Round Rock, TX
| Re: VRADS Yeah, I would rather them take the money for Option Two. Option three is just a money grab that does not solve the issue. Just because the post office can get away with putting mail boxes on the side of the road does not mean that AT&T should come in putting huge boxes in too.
Heck even the modern neighborhoods that don't have power lines still paint the big transformer boxes a dark green and put a few bushes around them. | |
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 |  |  |  |   marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| Re: VRADS said by RocketChild :Yeah, I would rather them take the money for Option Two. Option three is just a money grab that does not solve the issue. Just because the post office can get away with putting mail boxes on the side of the road does not mean that AT&T should come in putting huge boxes in too. Heck even the modern neighborhoods that don't have power lines still paint the big transformer boxes a dark green and put a few bushes around them. The problem with option two is that it requires mutual agreement. AT&T knows that a city is not going to go to court over $500, so they can just quietly refuse each request individually and save themselves a ton of money. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher | |
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 |  |   rcdailey Dragoonfly Premium join:2005-03-29 Rialto, CA | In these desperate times, local governments need any new revenue they can get, given that revenue from property taxes will decline. | |
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| Re: VRADS said by rcdailey :In these desperate times, local governments need any new revenue they can get, given that revenue from property taxes will decline. Revenue won't decline in Escondido. With Prop 13, most of the city is assessed way under appraised value. Even 40% drops in property value won't make a dent there. | |
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  Jon Premium join:2001-01-20 Lisle, IL | . "AT&T Is mounting the VRADs low on utility poles too lessen the visual impact."
yeah much better..LMAO! | |
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 |   gryl
join:2001-11-20 Danbury, CT | Re: . Well they look much nicer once the local kids tag them  | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| Re: . said by gryl :Well they look much nicer once the local kids tag them Painted VRADs are the best way to know when your in the wrong part of town now. | |
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join:2008-08-12 Rochester, MI | Re: . That and the pic above will have the weeds from under the vrad will grow high enough to hide it. | |
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 |  CycloneGT
join:2001-11-15 Boyds, MD | Re: .looks good Wow, you can hardly notice it on the pole. | |
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 |   badtrip East Bay Premium join:2004-03-20 Albany, CA edit: November 5th, @10:55AM
| Re: . Are you sure that's an AT&T box in the picture? I don't see the AT&T/NSA EZ-SPY® ethernet port on it anywhere. | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | Re: . Sounds like something Geek Squad will offer soon for your computer. | |
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join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO | Its that big "tube" you see coming out of the bottom left one. That one connects directly to the NSA internet tube. | |
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| O_o said by Doctor Four :said by badtrip :Are you sure that's an AT&T box in the picture? I don't see the AT&T/NSA EZ-SPY® ethernet port on it anywhere. That's because the NSA diverted signal is picked off the line long before it reaches the VRAD. It is much more logical for it to be located at AT&T's core backbone routers.  | |
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 |  |  |   toplevelpot yes it is, no I don't share
join:2008-04-19 Los Angeles, CA
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| Re: . Doctor Four said: "That's because the NSA diverted signal is picked off the line long before it reaches the VRAD. It is much more logical for it to be located at AT&T's core backbone routers."
Buzzkill -- "Sir, I protest! I am not a merry man!" | |
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 |   rcdailey Dragoonfly Premium join:2005-03-29 Rialto, CA | Has anyone noticed that this looks sort of like a giant phone set? I see the handset on the left with the cord hanging down and the main body to the right. The keypad is probably under that ventilated cover. | |
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 |  |   dataice Premium join:2002-10-27 Crisfield, MD | Re: . LOL, it does.  | |
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join:2007-09-18 Dallas, TX
| said by rcdailey :Has anyone noticed that this looks sort of like a giant phone set? I see the handset on the left with the cord hanging down and the main body to the right. The keypad is probably under that ventilated cover. If you hear "HO HO HO....GREEN GIANT!" you know the Jolly Green Giant is in the area looking for one of those to place a call lol | |
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join:2003-05-19 San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: . Anybody notice the bucket truck in the background? I could swear it has the SBC logo on the driver's door...  | |
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join:2002-04-10 Waterford, CT | Re: . Yes, and the fiber van also has it, you can make out the "C" from SBC.
Alot of the trucks in Connecticut still have the old SBC logo, some even have the older SNET logo. | |
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 |   richdelb 2008 Calder Cup CHAMPS Premium join:2003-01-22 Algonquin, IL | Can't wait to see what it looks like after a snow plow comes down that street this winter. I'm sure they are very resistant to being blasted by snow and salt. | |
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@comcast.net
| Real Issue is We have these cabinets in our neighborhood in West Houston. Issue is that during IKE our phone service died when the power and then the batteries died. Previously the phone worked when the utility service was lost. This new system is a disaster during a disaster. I suggest that the public be made aware that the phone system from at&t is no longer reliable during power failures. This, to me as a registered PE, is a huge step backwards. I have kept landline service as it was supposed to be reliable during power outages. I am now questioning that decision.
For better or worse my Verizon cell phone worked the whole time. Comcast internet was down when the utility service was down although it came up as soon as power was restored in our neighborhood. | |
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 |  nasadude
join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: This really only hurts the consumer said by wifi4milez :... ATT will simply opt not to serve that given town/subdivision. ... that simply ain't gonna happen. ATT won't even enter an area unless they have first determined it's profitable for them to do so. and if it's profitable, I'm sure it's REAL profitable.
In addition, ATT has to keep moving forward for long term profitability. This cabinet stuff is a minor irritation to them and will impact deployments slightly, if at all.
it's just unfortunate ATT has chosen a non-future proof technology that uses these bulky cabinets and will be blown away as soon as someone comes around with fiber (or until ATT upgrades 10 years from now). | |
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 |  |   wifi4milez Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07 New York, NY
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| Re: This really only hurts the consumer said by nasadude :said by wifi4milez :... ATT will simply opt not to serve that given town/subdivision. ... that simply ain't gonna happen. How do you figure? If the town says ATT cant put the VRADs up, then no "landscaping" will change that. Its not a simple matter of throwing shrubs around them as people will still complain. The bottom line is that communities who are completely adverse to the units just wont get served (as it should be IMO). -- Комитет государственной безопасности
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join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD
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| Re: This really only hurts the consumer said by wifi4milez :... If the town says ATT cant put the VRADs up, then no "landscaping" will change that... I agree with that, but that's not what wifi4milez said - he said if people and municipalities keep bitching about the boxes, ATT may elect to not serve them.
ATT can apparently still make the bucks by deploying, even if they have to kick in up to $2000 per VRAD to shut people up. | |
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join:2004-08-07 New York, NY
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| Re: This really only hurts the consumer said by nasadude :said by wifi4milez :... If the town says ATT cant put the VRADs up, then no "landscaping" will change that... I agree with that, but that's not what wifi4milez said - he said if people and municipalities keep bitching about the boxes, ATT may elect to not serve them. ATT can apparently still make the bucks by deploying, even if they have to kick in up to $2000 per VRAD to shut people up. I said what now?? In either case, there will be people who still whine about the VRADs even with the $2000 "beautifying" effort. I am saying in those instances, ATT will 100% simply move on and the consumers in that area will be the ones who suffer. -- Комитет государственной безопасности
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join:2006-04-10 Greenwood, SC | What is the big deal? Seriously...if they would bring U-Verse to my area, put one in my bedroom for all I care. People want increased speeds and service, but they don't want the required technology. You can't have it both ways. | |
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 |   morbo Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: What is the big deal? NIMBY | |
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 |  Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26 North Andover, MA | Verizon actually removed equipment from the side of my house (old phone box, and copper wire) when they upgraded my service. Were I to get a huge VRAD it would have been a downgrade from my Comcast service. What's your point again? | |
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join:2001-01-03 Chicago, IL | 2009 old copper + huge VRADs + expensive U-verse + NEW CAPS =
AT&T is going suck even more in 2009 !!!! | |
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  CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County
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| AT&T shoudl just sumarily... refuse putting in the VRAD's then and make a point to advertise the exact reason why to the folks in the community. then when those folks whine about lack of choice - AT&T can point it out again, and again, and again. -- Brian
"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: AT&T shoudl just sumarily... they should. then the town should distribute leaflets showing how AT&T uverse does not bring down cableco prices. | |
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  SteveLV702 Premium join:2004-04-22 Henderson, NV | FREE Service Give me FREE Service for LIFE and they can put one in my yard..... | |
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join:2006-07-24 West Hartford, CT | Dinosaurs Run ATT All these troubles just for 10/1 internet? It really is proof that dinosaurs do run ATT. You want more HD channels? You want faster internet speed? You want IP voice? Call Verizon/Comcast. | |
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join:2007-07-17 Orange, CA edit: November 5th, @01:31PM
| Orange/Tustin This is what the VRADs they installed overnight in Orange and Tustin look like. I haven't seen any of these pictured online yet.
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  ropeguru Premium join:2001-01-25 Hollywood, FL clubs: | Surprised... That no one has yet to comment on the "anonymous" postcard campaign part. Anyone want to bet the campaign was started by a certain cable company???  | |
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join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO | Re: Surprised... That was a given so I didn't think that needed to be mentioned. | |
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  ctceo Premium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN clubs:
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| Any worse? Can't be any worse that those old mini-cactus junctions (that are oh so often busted open and jacked), or the newer green lawn-zits every so many hundred feet. While were at it, let's complain to the utilities about those ugly brown wood, galvanized & painted poles that they hang that ugly black wire on, you know the ones that frequently have nails all over them, and partially biodegraded garage sale sign on from a year ago. Oh, lets not forget those bulky traffic light control boxes at every intersection. Those nasty looking blue, brown & yellow mail drop boxes.
I could go on and on, and on, but who really cares. I don't think these boxes are dropping property values as much as they say. In fact in some neighborhoods they may raise property value simply by adding options. | |
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 |   ropeguru Premium join:2001-01-25 Hollywood, FL clubs: | Re: Any worse? You forgot all the big green boxes from the power companies that house transformers that power out homes. | |
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join:2007-12-27 Columbus, OH clubs: | Re: Any worse? and those ugly red,white, green, yellow, ect fire hydrants soaked in dog piss ever so many houses | |
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join:2006-05-10 Houston, TX
·Comcast
| You Know What? If AT&T is installing on a Public Utility Easement, then the residents can go screw themselves. When you buy a house, you are shown all the easements on and around your property. They are also on file that you can view whenever you wish. We have the old VRADs all over this area (I live less than a mile away from the one that exploded). My property values have not gone down at all. | |
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@comcast.net | VRAD Terminals These things are really STUPID! They stick out like a sore thumb and they are noisy. They also have an exposed glass covered power meter like the one on your house just waiting to get smashed. | |
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join:2007-10-24 Portland, CT
| Re: VRAD Terminals
In the old pots days, the companies would place house sized structures or under ground vaults. The technology today puts this all in these boxes. Not the best size but replacable and inexpensive. Go check those ALPATH boxes placed by the cable companies, these power generators are fueled by propane tanks/ notice the cement poles placed around them. Did they get your permission for these bombs in your area?? Don't have photos but you can look them up! | |
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@rr.com
| Germany In Germany everything I am told everything is buried. There are no ugly Power or Telephone poles marring the view. We have so many ugly things everywhere it's just a matter of time before people stop noticing the VRADs too. I mean, the AT&T and Verizon cross connect boxes are no work of art, but people just ignore those. I see them everywhere but when I am around anyone else and I mention something about them like, hey that one was hit by a car... They weren't even paying attention. We have already destroyed virtually all the beauty of our cities long before the VRAD came into existence... | |
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