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Premium
join:2002-07-10
Wildomar, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | it'll never happen becuase they control what they offer, not us. Sure maybe 10% of users would take advantage of it. But those 10% are most likely so dependent on the internet that they have no choice but pay what the company is asking for all the extras.
And of course, companies have no incentive to make less money. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: it'll never happen Many of us would use it for connecting into corporate networks over a VPN connection. Use corporate email and corporate services. Since my work pays for my connection (as well as many others), I'm sure they would love a really basic, but decently high speed (and reliable at that!) connection. | |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| Well, it has happened, but it's not prone to success.
I used to use an ISP that offered packet travel and DNS only. No mail, now newsgroups, no web space, no nothing.
All the support they provided was whatever you needed for your connection, and that was very straight forward. They sold routed or bridged service only, so there wasn't much to support.
It was also business type service, so you could run your own servers.
And it was cheaper than what the ILEC and others sold that allowed servers. They could do it at a lower price since they didn't have to have a big support staff like the ILECs and others have. They have to deal with the clueless folks who can't support themselves.
But, they didn't last. Just not enough demand for such exclusive service. | |
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join:2001-01-14
Downers Grove, IL
| Re: it'll never happen I remember a dial-up provided who offered this kind of naked service here in the Chicago area, but I've never seen anyone offering broadband this way.
The dial-up provider - whose name I've long forgotten - was brutal in their terms of service. They basically said: "If you have to ask any questions then you're too stupid to be our customer and we don't want you and we'll cancel your contract."
That really is not much of an exaggeration either.
They didn't last long. However I don't think that it was their abrupt customer support that was their undoing. Rather, there just doesn't seem to be enough of a market for this kind of service. | |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | In Europe already? Isn't this in Europe already? It would be nice here in the states, but I doubt it would fly. | |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | I would buy that If it gave a substantial savings over regular broadband. I always wondered why they never did this before..long as they had a website that showed downtime/maintenance i be all over that like white on rice. | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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| Re: I would buy that said by markopoleo  :If it gave a substantial savings over regular broadband. Would never happen. They would juat leave the price the same and charge more for everything else. Just like the cable companies supposed discounts for combo services..
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| Re: I would buy that
The way they do it now is a MARKETING MODEL. They have found that the way they do it is what sells to Joe box of rocks. The people that hang out here are, quite frankly, a niche market. There are not enough of you to make such a "barebones" service profitable.
Why do you think they ALL do things the same basic way, no matter what the product is? It has to be "NEW!", or, "FASTER", or, "GET EXTRA FREE!". It's the current, favorite MARKETING MODEL that computer makers were using from the start: More speed + we can claim it's new and keep the price up. More add on gimmicks and devices mean we can claim it's a new model and we can keep the price up. More hard drive space and a extra 200 Mhz CPU speed means we can call it new legally and keep the price up..
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | No support? I disagree with no support. Certainly if they don't provide email, newsgroups, etc they aren't going to support those features, but they need to make sure users can at least use the services they sell. Basic support would be more like it. | |
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dfsg
@65.94.x.x | Re: No support? Like the man said if you need it you ain't the target audience.
Try AOL I hear the have tech support for everything including the kitchen sink | |
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@cgocable.net | that sounds resonable to me, i mean getting hung up on because you reloaded your pc and forgot the SMTP server come on! | |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| Re: No support? said by cwilliams193:
that sounds resonable to me, i mean getting hung up on because you reloaded your pc and forgot the SMTP server come on!
There is NO SMTP server for them to provide so if you forgot what it is then you forgot who provides, and in this case its not the company providing your connection.
You need to contact or look up at your - * hosting * - companies site for that info. The - * connection * - company in this scenario is NOT providing that. Just a way for the bits to get from you to the rest of the internet.
And this is the correct response. "Not our problem. click." | |
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@sfldmi.ameritech | Pen and paper. Write down the information. You DO know what a pen is, right? | |
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sweintz
Premium
join:2002-03-01
Hamden, CT
| said by cwilliams193:
that sounds resonable to me, i mean getting hung up on because you reloaded your pc and forgot the SMTP server come on!
Um, the point is, if they don't offer email (ie: they are just bare bones) then there IS no smtp server provided by them. | |
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Dragasoni
We're All Mad Here
Premium
join:2001-12-14
Rotonda West, FL
| Who needs support? Just set up a current network status page that is maintained. I don't need all their fluff, I don't use all their fluff, why should I pay for it when I all I use it the connection itself?
I think this is a great idea, but I doubt it will fly in this country.
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs:
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TheMadSwede
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Holland, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| said by Dragasoni :I think this is a great idea, but I doubt it will fly in this country. So what country would it fly in?
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| said by vpoko :I disagree with no support. Certainly if they don't provide email, newsgroups, etc they aren't going to support those features, but they need to make sure users can at least use the services they sell. Basic support would be more like it. Wait...do ISP's around now offer support? heh
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
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2 edits | said by vpoko :I disagree with no support. It ain't for you then.  No harm/no foul. They want a different customer.
I however would love it.
I've only called my ISP's support for one issue and it was DSL sync (or lack there of) issue alone. I know how to setup DUN, setup a Router, read their single page with settings and I do like their plan. I wish I could get it without having to move to Hawaii. It works for me, but I've been around since a BBS was the closest thing to the old Net before the commercial Net came about. Still have a old 1200 and 2400 Modem. 
»www.flex.com/adsl/index2.html
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And don't give me that "oh... this ISP ain't gonna last very long, they don't know what they are doing..." line. We've been an ISP since July 1994 and we're still here, kicking your ISP butt. Flex is Hawaii's very first ISP (go ask around, ask LavaNet even.) We simply blow our competition away.
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Remember, No Tech Support!
FlexNet doesn't do Tech Support. You must know how to install a network
card in your computer and configure your Ethernet Network settings.
When you signup for ADSL from us, we will give you a Network Setup sheet that includes usable IP range, Default Gateway, Netmask and DNS servers.
This is the only information that we will provide you --absolutely nothing else!
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| Re: No support? said by Doctor Olds :said by vpoko :I disagree with no support. It ain't for you then. No harm/no foul. They want a different customer. I however would love it. I think you misunderstand. There needs to be tech support because sometimes the problem is on the ISP's end. If I'm not able to establish sync I need to talk to someone. If I wasn't able to configure MY end of the connection I wouldn't be the customer they're looking for, but they need someone accessible to their customers in case there is a bona fide issue that needs resolution. | |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs:
| Re: No support? I think I understood you just fine.
»www.flex.com/adsl/trouble.html
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3. Make sure your ADSL Modem has THREE GREEN lites ON.
If you do not have all the appropriate LED all lit up correctly with the proper colors, then you need to work with Verizon on this. The ADSL help number is 1-888-977-0770. Since Verizon is now shipping out ADSL installation kits directly to the customer, you are responsible to install the splitters yourself. If you can not do it, Verizon can send over a tech to do it at $80.
DO NOT CALL FLEXNET IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THREE GREEN LITES ON YOUR ADSL MODEM!
This indicates a Verizon problem and FLEXNET can do nothing about it. So don't bother FlexNet unless you have THREE GREEN LITES and your ADSL is not working.
If you do not understand this, re-read this paragraph ten more times.
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Unregistered user
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| Re: No support? While I don't need support to help me do things on my end, suppose the Internet connection starts doing something it isn't supposed to, like dropping packets, having high latency, etc. Or suppose their DNS servers (if they have them) go down. I want to be able to call in and tell them and have them look into it and fix it. Or suppose someone starts a DoS attack against their network. Again, if I discover it, I need them to take countermeasures.
As for the no sync problem discussion, ever try to talk to a telco when you're getting DSL from another ISP over their lines? Often times, they'll tell you to call your ISP and have them call the telco. Basically, if you aren't their direct customer, they often don't want to talk to you. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
1 edit | Come on People..... They obviously have support for all the misc. stuff some of you keep mentioning. They arent going to support your email, newsgroups, or whatever else you want. They are simply going to give you a line and support it IF it is something on their end.
Just as the quote above states, if you dont have 3 green lights it is the telco's problem and they can't help you. If you do have 3 green lights and are having problems with the lines then call as it is probably something on their end and they will support that. Just don't call because you cant get one of you applications to work because that isnt their issue. | |
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| This would work if Verizon would speak with you, but they'll likely tell you to contact your ISP, who will in turn need to contact Verizon. Any company needs to make sure their service works as advertised, and needs a mechanism to repair problems that are THEIR FAULT. No questions, ifs, or buts about it. | |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | I find the paragraph in between those two to be funny. Why did they put in a paragraph like that in there? | |
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join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| The only support should be to accept calls when the connection itself goes down at the modem. Since they are not supplying services then they do not need to create support for somethnig they don't provide.
I'd love a Internet connection like this and suggest as much a couple of years ago when I dubbed ICP. | |
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL
1 edit | could not agree more Just give me 12 octets of addresses, I'll take care of the rest!!!!
that don't change!! good catch meskinct | |
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meskinct
Mad Scientist at Work
Premium
join:2002-01-07
Danbury, CT
clubs: | Add a Static IP to that list Throw in a static IP and I'm sold. | |
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hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| But what about the art history majors? I would be happy with a bare-bones service as long as it was rock solid. I already have a cheap-o web hosting service that also includes POP/SMTP. Usenet isn't that big a deal to me any more so I don't really want to pay for it if I never use it. As long as I can surf and upload/download, and I can configure the rest myself, it would be worth a look. But of course, I'm a techno-weenie.
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Pretty much good.... ...however the lack of tech support would bug me in a very simple way. If they dont tell you when they have problems on their end, it makes potentially fixing connection problems on your own end much harder. | |
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Premium
join:2002-10-14 | here in Canukistan We call them istop.com, they will cancel your account if they deem you too stupid to use the internet. | |
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| blacksurfer
join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA | $19.95 for 1500 DSL isn't bad That's what SBC/Yahoo is charging. No complaints here! | |
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| mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS
·Sunflower Broadband
·Comcast
| Re: here in Canukistan said by Mark Z :We call them istop.com, they will cancel your account if they deem you too stupid to use the internet. How do they have any customers? | |
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| | TemporalFlux
Premium
join:2003-08-07
Ont, Canada
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: here in Canukistan I was an Istop.com customer. They could not keep their network up so I left for teksavvy.com and never looked back. They use to route me a block of 16 IPs but I had it cut down to 8. Sure they have a mail server I don't use but it's bare bones enough for me and is solid.  | |
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drmorley
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-20
Park Ridge, IL
clubs: | It's called digizip.com Who you get:
/29 Routed Subnet
1.5/768 - via UUNET
Unlimited Newsgroups Access
Free Cisco Modem
All for $39.95/month
What you don't get:
Support
Email | |
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| jakoe420
join:2003-09-05
Knoxville, TN
clubs:
| Re: It's called digizip.com said by drmorley :Who you get: /29 Routed Subnet 1.5/768 - via UUNET Unlimited Newsgroups Access Free Cisco Modem All for $39.95/month What you don't get: Support Email How do you get that for $39.95? I went to their site but the cheapest I see is $49.95....Is there a code or something? | |
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In NY
@uu.net
| Cyberonic is pretty much the same (with an 18-month contract). I've been using them for almost three years and have never used any of their other services except for the clean, pure, unadulterated bandwidth. Except, for your 40 bucks a month you do get first-rate tech support (which personally I have never made use of, even though I'm not an expert). However, the MCI package seems to not be offered anymore so it's no longer a viable choice.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I too would appreciate a bare-bones package (I am moving soon). I also know of a few people that don't frequent BBR that would appreciate it too, which I would guess is true for quite a lot of BBR members, so the market is there. | |
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Neil
Stop All The Downloadin
join:2003-08-20
New York, NY
| Re: It's called digizip.com said by In NY:
Except, for your 40 bucks a month you do get first-rate tech support (which personally I have never made use of, even though I'm not an expert).
How are you sure we're first-rate tech support if you've never had to call?
Also, the MCI packages are no longer available in Verizon areas.. which rules out pretty much every east-coaster. 
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| robscullion
Premium
join:2001-12-07
Philadelphia, PA
·Speakeasy
| Re: FlexNet Wholesale ADSL is who you are thinking of Wow, what a great web page and attitude. They tell you what they do, what they won't tolerate and who to go to if you don't like it. And it all made perfect sense. Refreshing in these days of 31 page EULA's and lawyer-speak.
They also broke out the monthly charge into what they charge and what the Verizon DSL line charge was. I never saw it posted that way before. It seemed a little steep for the speeds (1.5/x for $63/month) but it does include static IP and no bandwidth limits. Comparable to the SE package I have right now at about the same price. One more reason to move to Hawaii I guess. | |
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cajun4x4
join:2000-10-02
Baytown, TX
·ViaTalk
| Remember the days I remember the days when I lived on Oahu when I had a shell account with this guy. About 6 month's later he decided to offer SLIP accounts and boy that was nice. If I could get a bare bones DSL connection I would. Yahoo is free and has all that I want.
Caj
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| Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| Re: Remember the days said by cajun4x4 :I remember the days when I lived on Oahu when I had a shell account with this guy. About 6 month's later he decided to offer SLIP accounts and boy that was nice. If I could get a bare bones DSL connection I would. Yahoo is free and has all that I want. Caj Man slip accounts, that seems like anceint history now. Back in the days when dns was young and you got to most sites by typing in the ip addy. Before cd rom was popular. When the AMIGA was by far the best computer | |
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
Premium
join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:
·Comcast
| sounds great Screw tech support
Screw email I gots a Gmail account. I never visit comcast's crappy pages anyway could care less about there "Content" if I want news I'll go to a local website for my news fix or cnn or somthing. I think this would be a great idea but it's America we'll never get this EVER unless it's like a muni project or somthing small for a town or a few towns in the middle of nowhere. BUT we can dream
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| Umm, this statement baffles me from Flex's webpage:
Caveat
"If you plan on running a real-time server, or want to play real-time games or lots of interactive stuffs, be advised that ADSL is not a good way to do it. ADSL bandwidth is spotty in nature and individual packets may/will have varying amounts of latency (delays) that will drive your Half-Life gaming out of your mind. So don't do ADSL if you're thinking real-time applications."
»www.flex.com/adsl/index2.html
-about 1/4th down the page-
Umm, Individual ADSL bandwidth as he stated is NOT spotty in nature. Where did he get that from? There are literally thousands of people (many here on BBR) who play Half life based games and the "latency delays" he describes are a baseless and utterly false statement.
I was really getting into their hype until I read that bunch of BS above. | |
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LeftofSanity
@208.17.x.x
| Re: Umm, this statement baffles me From the website also......
From your ADSL modem, the line goes to a DSLAM shelf (along with 96 other ADSL
users like yourself, some at Bronze, others may be at Platinum), and from there to
a T1 link to the Frame Relay Cloud. I hope this is clear to you, that ninety six other
users sucking up from 768Kbps or higher from a single 1536Kbps line. Think, if all
96 ADSL users downloaded at 768Kbps, that would be a total of 45Mbps, out of a
1.536Mbps T1 line. Obviously this ain't gonna happen. The DSLAM shelf controller
will DROP PACKETS somewhat randomly from everyone's feed. When packets get dropped, this
creates a negative feedback situation, as your computer will tell the sending computer
to re-send the original data all over again, creating even more traffic, that will
be partially dropped by the DSLAM, and then over and over again! Evil.
I don't know how Verizon can with a straight face dump 96 ADSL users of various speeds
ontop a single shelf serviced by a measly T1 1536Kbps line. | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| Re: Umm, this statement baffles me said by LeftofSanity:
From the website also......
From your ADSL modem, the line goes to a DSLAM shelf (along with 96 other ADSL
users like yourself, some at Bronze, others may be at Platinum), and from there to
a T1 link to the Frame Relay Cloud. I hope this is clear to you, that ninety six other
users sucking up from 768Kbps or higher from a single 1536Kbps line. Think, if all
96 ADSL users downloaded at 768Kbps, that would be a total of 45Mbps, out of a
1.536Mbps T1 line. Obviously this ain't gonna happen. The DSLAM shelf controller
will DROP PACKETS somewhat randomly from everyone's feed. When packets get dropped, this
creates a negative feedback situation, as your computer will tell the sending computer
to re-send the original data all over again, creating even more traffic, that will
be partially dropped by the DSLAM, and then over and over again! Evil.
I don't know how Verizon can with a straight face dump 96 ADSL users of various speeds
ontop a single shelf serviced by a measly T1 1536Kbps line.
Verizon doesn't use a single T-1 to feed 96 customers nor does any other ILEC. Was he insinuating that Verizon does this? BellSouth uses a DS3 for 96 customers (45mb aka T-3) and monitor that link continously for any sort of 'high load' issues. Now you can 'bond' several T-1s together for smaller RT applications that may only have 24-48 customers and create a virtual (for example) 12 MB pipe (8 T-1's bonded).
If he (Flex)is using a T-1, *gasp* for 96 customers, then hell yah, they are gonna be having 'latency issues' while playing online games, Half life, etc. heh- | |
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| They were making exscuses ahead oftime for them sucking as an isp. Although to be honest back in 2000 or so when this was written ping times for most dsl was not good at all. Now they have it down to a science. I remember when I was onvoy and I had a 90 ms hop to the gate way, it seemed like every one sucked back then at least in my area. | |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| Doesn't make cost sense The majority of the cost (to the provider) is maintaining basic connectivity (line rental, bandwidth, etc). The N e-mail addresses, portals, and all the other junk are there largely as marketing tools, the per-user cost of such things is fairly low.
Add to that the fact that a bare-bones internet connection is going to attract exactly the sort of people (i.e. US) who use bandwidth heavily (and thus contribute to costs) and chances are the connection would have to be priced higher, not lower, than a full-service connection. Better to offer a bunch of email accounts to attract a few net.grannies to offset the ISO-downloading server-running bandwidth-burning power users. | |
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Turbocpe
Premium
join:2001-12-22
IA
| Qwest.net I didn't see mention here, but Qwest.net can be gotten for residential customers, and it is close to "bare bones", with no email or webspace. It also is cheap, under 10.00 for the ISP, which of course is in addition to the DSL charges.
I don't use qwest.net, though. | |
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join:2001-05-18
Saint Paul, MN | Re: Qwest.net I do and it's wonderful. Plus, I can run all the servers I want and it has 1024bps upstream. ISP email? Nah... Got my own! | |
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| | Askalon
Premium
join:2004-07-08
Urbandale, IA | Re: Qwest.net We use Qwest.net for business customer, ask for dsl lite. You can get it in the US. I thought about it, but since my wife like the msn email, she does noty want to change it. | |
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niblifar
join:2004-02-12
Ohio | Newsgroup access I don't hold hands with anyone when I use my ISP's newsgroup access. The majority of people, inexperienced or experienced, don't use newsgroups. | |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs: | Re: Newsgroup access Huh? At one time you were a Usenet newbie......... | |
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join:2004-02-12
Ohio | Re: Newsgroup access I still am...
I was trying to say that newsgroup access isn't a hand holding service from an isp. | |
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Erwin_D
join:2003-06-30
Netherlands
| No DNS? I'd LOVE to get a bare-bones connection and do all my own stuff... but no DNS? Surely you don't expect my to type in IP addresses all the time... Who am I to going to lookup Google???
Oh well, I got a near bare-bones connection now; fixed IP DSL, 2 Mb down 1 Mb up, no flashy homepage, basic unlimited (SMTP) email and news. I run my own web/FTP/mail server, and it's all allowed too... all that for €34,50 | |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs: | Re: No DNS? You didn't read the info provided. DNS is supplied as well as Public IP and Netmask. | |
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Erwin_D
join:2003-06-30
Netherlands | Re: No DNS? I was responding to this line in the article:
"I don't even need to use your DNS servers, and frankly, with Comcast and Telstra's recent troubles, I might be better off." | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| said by Erwin_D :Surely you don't expect my to type in IP addresses all the time... Who am I to going to lookup Google??? »www.ntcanuck.com/
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
| Re: No DNS? Nothing but throughput and an address sounds more than ideal to me.
Leaving behind (LONG LONG ago) AOL's crappy annoying "content" has made the internet so much more peaceful for me.
Even Comcast.net (which you don't even need to ever see) stirs up a certain level of disdain in me.
....As for DNS, Even with my cable connection I have my router set to 4.2.2.2, - before the recent outages just because I like choices and feel that Comcast's servers just aren't snappy enough. | |
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