  Rob In Deo speramus Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL | Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... It's 2008 and I'm still only able to get 1.5/256 from AT&T, whereas Comcast offers 8/768 + powerboost. | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by Rob :It's 2008 and I'm still only able to get 1.5/256 from AT&T, whereas Comcast offers 8/768 + powerboost. All I can get from the mighty telco is their femtoband® dialup product. -- Comcast has spoiled me rotten! | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... Yea, I guess the comcastic cabinet is just so attractive.

Hey I heard recently a couple of employees tried installing it recently for a 3 year old but it didn't work out as well.
Anyone got a link? | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by bjbrock :8/768 IF it is a protocol they approve of. Which is pretty much every protocol except "one". Still 100x better than AT&T. | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL...Here's the proof
-- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| But AT&T doesn't provision the CLEC cards in the DSLAM. AT&T has very conservative distance restrictions; partly to offset the lower prices they were charging. Fewer service calls on the lines, less money expended in support costs. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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| said by Rob :Still 100x better than AT&T. I just love hyperbole...
(8/1.5=5.33333333) -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by NormanS :said by Rob :Still 100x better than AT&T. I just love hyperbole... (8/1.5=5.33333333) Didn't say faster, I said better. | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by Rob :Didn't say faster, I said better. It is still hyperbole. Comcast interferes with BitTorrent, cuts off user access to their mail servers for modest volumes of outbound SMTP traffic, and a raft of other restrictive TOS issues. Their support is no better, and their price is exorbitant. And you still think that they are better? I think not. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by NormanS :said by Rob :Didn't say faster, I said better. It is still hyperbole. Comcast interferes with BitTorrent, cuts off user access to their mail servers for modest volumes of outbound SMTP traffic, and a raft of other restrictive TOS issues. Their support is no better, and their price is exorbitant. And you still think that they are better? I think not. I haven't had any problems with outbound SMTP traffic and haven't had any problems with their restrictive TOS either. My bittorrent problems are not even that much of a problem since I don't even use bittorrent.
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by Rob :But you can keep being a telco apologist. And you a cableco apologist. Same difference. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by NormanS :said by Rob :But you can keep being a telco apologist. And you a cableco apologist. Same difference. Big difference. I actually have used AT&T (formerly BellSouth) and currently use Comcast. I have yet to see you even use Comcast. | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by Rob :Big difference. I actually have used AT&T (formerly BellSouth) and currently use Comcast. I have yet to see you even use Comcast. I have downloaded fansubbed anime on my sister's Comcast connection, and done some other work. 6M doesn't seem all that great. You can't download any faster than the other end can upload; most of my downloads moved about as fast on cable as on 3Mb DSL.
And I not about to spend twice as much for cable as DSL costs just to get a little extra speed that I won't be using; or to have the cable fanbois telling me I am wrong to run a server. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by NormanS :You can't download any faster than the other end can upload; most of my downloads moved about as fast on cable as on 3Mb DSL. Then that's a problem with Comcast because I had no problem pegging my Roadrunner Turbo connection (8MBits) when I had it. A few sites couldn't manage to max it out but the overwhelming majority of large downloads could. Well seeded bittorrents could. A handful of times I saw what appeared to be throttling and/or capacity issues but the bulk of the time I had no problems achieving full speed.
Don't get me wrong -- I'll take my 3.0/768 DSL over 8.0/512 cable -- DSL (for me, YMMV) seems more stable and I'd rather have the upload bandwidth -- but I don't see how you can dismiss that download bandwidth either. It came in handy. | |
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| Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL... said by Crookshanks :said by NormanS :You can't download any faster than the other end can upload; most of my downloads moved about as fast on cable as on 3Mb DSL. Then that's a problem with Comcast because I had no problem pegging my Roadrunner Turbo connection (8MBits) when I had it. No. It was a problem with the torrents. Some of the anime shows I grab are not highly popular, and don't have well-seeded trackers. You can't pull more data than the other end will push. Period. I don't see paying for download speed I won't be able to use because the sources can't fill the pipe.
BTW, just to be sure it was the trackers, and not the ISP, I downloaded a Knoppix ISO image while there. That pegged my sister's download capacity. But how often does one need to download an OS ISO image? Slower is cheaper; and, for my budget, and needs, good enough.
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| Yep same story here except I can't even get 8.0/768 from comcast. I'm limited to 6.0/384 plus powerboost (with no claim to performance). Comcast has a city monopoly so they won't even offer the 16/1 that so many other areas offer because there is NO competition. Verizon AT&T and all the other ISP providers, brokers etc just keep charging the market rate for what they loosely call high Speed internet.1.5/256. Some day I hope to see real HSI but for now I'm relegated to the scrapings from the barrel for HSI at an affordable price. | |
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| not fios everywhere What is prob going to happen is that verizon is not keeping its dsl network up. They also dont plan on rolling fios out everywhere so whereever cable is and fios wont be they will lose customers but gain customeers in fios areas.
Eventually it will all even out . Cables networks will even out and get better because there will be less users on it.
So in the end everything will even out .Not one company will have a big users base over the other. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: not fios everywhere Even out in what 2020 when the U.S. sees fios nationally and everywhere else in the world is sitting pretty on 10 gigabit lines while the U.S. is seeing its first 50/30 standard? | |
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| Re: not fios everywhere said by Jodokast96 :And you can knock off Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire since they just sold those areas to Farpoint. Yes, the above map doesn't reflect those recent changes yet. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: not fios everywhere The above map reminds me of the FCC's definition of broadband coverage. If there is FIOS in Seattle, then the entire state of Washington must have it.....very misleading since there are huge areas of the state close to Seattle that do not have Verizon.
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Don't forget, just because they have wireline service in a state, it does not mean they are an ILEC. In many parts of CA/TX, AT&T is the ILEC, which doesn't make it easy for VZ to compete. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| That map is really a strange way of showing Verizon territories.. Here's another map- it doesn't have the close-in states but is better from a national perspective: »newscenter.verizon.com/assets/ig···stic.gif | |
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| Re: not fios everywhere said by EPS :That map is really a strange way of showing Verizon territories.. Here's another map- it doesn't have the close-in states but is better from a national perspective: » newscenter.verizon.com/assets/ig···stic.gif Good map. Both maps show that Fios is NOT a national player or will be as some hope. And I don't think AT&T and Verizon will merge anytime in the foreseeable future. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: not fios everywhere said by jimbo48 :Here's the real Verizon coverage of CA. Its no wonder the industry is in the shape its in when we are told Ca is covered. Of course, AT&T is the major ILEC provider in California & not Verizon. The AT&T coverage map would show much wider coverage. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: not fios everywhere Note that Verizon landline coverage in California does NOT include those little communities of Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area. Verizon is the landline provider in CA in those locations where its predecessor GTE was the provider, which were primarily rural and small town areas. As others have stated, it is ridiculous to equate "has a presence in the state" with "covers the state". | |
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| The evening wont start until all the free-users are gobbled up. So long as the telcos and the cablecos can have seperate user bases, I think they will.
However, I would expect the telcos to be the first to crossover to compete with the cablecos. This wont happen until their landline revenue dries up. -- dnoyeB "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16
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| Analysts.... "If you folks recall, many analysts predicted......"
There is a saying that goes like this: "In a bull market, you don't need analysts, in a bear market, they will kill you". "Analysts" also thought Fios was not a good idea, but there are few who feel that way now.
This is why I believe telcos will continue to upgrade, and Verizon will get away from DSL by continuing to deploy FTTH. | |
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| Heh, I'm one of those 19000 DSL wins on cost, but download speed is lacking. I think the telcos are going to have to compete on service and being customer friendly. They have to do better about repairing problems and offering to new customers.
Cable's weakness is their anti-customer network management policies, I think the DSL providers could make a pitch as being "network neutral" and hurt cable that way. | |
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  Jodokast96 R.I.P Bassman442 Premium join:2005-11-23 Erial, NJ | Wasn't it... ...just last week where it was posted that the level of broadband penetration is at a level where all new service subscriptions are starting to level off? | |
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| Re: Wasn't it... said by Jodokast96 :...just last week where it was posted that the level of broadband penetration is at a level where all new service subscriptions are starting to level off? Shhh... rational posts grounded in reality aren't welcome around here. The only accepted explanation allowed is that it's the fault of the Greedy Big Evil Corporations for not offering 100M/100M to 100% of all households for no more than $30 a month without restrictions. | |
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| DSL I have spent over eight years waiting for SW Bell/AT&T to deliver DSL to my home in the city limits of Dallas, TX. I'm still waiting. In the mean time they've spent billions to rise from the ashes to become just like the old AT&T. They also spent tens of millions lobbying to keep their monopoly on the "last mile" which has prevented me from getting DSL from a competing firm. I do get high speed internet from cable (Time Warner) for $57/month. The service is fast, and reliable, but I'd really like a lower cost alternative/backup. | |
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| Re: FCC Limits Cable Operators but give Telco's No Limits This is outright false- Verizon does have to get franchise agreements, they can't deploy anywhere.
The reason no one's talking about limiting the growth of telco TV providers is because it's still a very small percentage of the TV market. Cable is a much larger percentage. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Toledo, OH | Re: FCC Limits Cable Operators but give Telco's No Limits VZ is only getting franchise agreements in cities where the states do not have State agreements yet. But you can bet on the ones that do VZ will go to the state Level where them and AT$T lobbied at and spent millions. | |
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