 RayW
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Layton, UT
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| About time. What we need is more local entities to get involved doing their own infrastructure without restrictions placed on them by paid off state lawmakers at the behest of the companies that should be doing it but prefer to prevent others from proving them wrong.
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statecop
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join:2002-09-16
Beverly Hills, CA | What is the problem with it? Is it something to do with the speed, latency, or does it have sort of distance limits similar to dsl?
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join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
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| If you want to pick out only one problem with BPL and call it the problem, the big problem is that the utility companies cannot figure out how to make any money using BPL.
The typical BPL trial seems to end early with this style of announcement:
We are ending the trial. It was successful and we learned alot. Oh, and we will not be deploying BPL at this time.
We are left to guess at the reasons why. It could be:
• We could not solve the RF interference problems.
• Solving the RF interference problems made the costs of deployment too high.
• RF interference was not a problem, but the deployment costs are always higher than the costs of DSL (or cable, or FIOS, or ...).
The BPL equipment makers claim that the RF interference problem has been solved. If so, it appears that there is no business model with a high enough ROI for the utility companies. | |
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guest01
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| FIRST U.S. CITY-WIDE BROADBAND OVER POWER LINE COMTek NEWS RELEASE
October 05, 2005
MAJOR U.S. TECHNOLOGY MILESTONE:
COMTek, CITY OF MANASSAS DELIVER FIRST CITY-WIDE
AVAILABILITY OF BROADBAND OVER POWERLINE (BPL) IN THE U.S.
RE: »www.comtechnologies.com/pr_10_05_05.htm | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: FIRST U.S. CITY-WIDE BROADBAND OVER POWER LINE There you are.
You do know this article is over a month old. | |
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guest01
@optonline.net
| In AUSTRALIA: Tasmania powers up 12Mbps broadband over powerlines !!!
By Munir Kotadia, ZDNet Australia
13 September 2005 04:46 PM
»www.zdnet.com.au/news/communicat···6,00.htm
REMEMBER... BPL delivers the same hi-speed download and upload... which in theory, we could use VIDEO-Phone calls without lag or delay in transmission... back and forth !!! | |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| Re: FIRST U.S. CITY-WIDE BROADBAND OVER POWER LINE said by guest01 :In AUSTRALIA: Tasmania powers up 12Mbps broadband over powerlines !!! By Munir Kotadia, ZDNet Australia 13 September 2005 04:46 PM » www.zdnet.com.au/news/communicat···6,00.htmREMEMBER... BPL delivers the same hi-speed download and upload... which in theory, we could use VIDEO-Phone calls without lag or delay in transmission... back and forth !!! Hello, Unknown Investor! Symmetrical bandwidth and network latency are two different things. In theory you could use cable, dsl, wireless, or fiber for video phones as well.
I like the statement in the article about BPL being capable of going faster than ADSL2+ which uses "analogue lines". It's funny how they throw stones at analog lines while BPL uses the worst medium known to man for broadband transmission and continues to struggle with making it work and dealing with the side effects. And somehow BPL's unproven future potential beats what competitors offer today. | |
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Ham band guy
join:2005-07-13
Minneapolis, MN
| Re:BPL not even a niche technology All I have to say is,on behalf of folks who understand
exactly how RF,antennas,transmission lines,and the physical layer(ISO layer 1) is:
See,I told you so!!!
And we can't forget about the marketplace,Darwin's therories are alive and well.
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| Hope? That's a far cry from ex-FCC chief Powell's tag of "great broadband hope."
Powell (no doubt at the behest of the stock scammers promoting this) is the "great broadband dope". Kev isn't much better but at least he's got one foot on the ground. | |
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join:2004-05-15
Hillsborough, NC | Re: Hope? I would at least like to hear the results from the Duke Power trials that were going on in the Carolinas. | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Hope? That they are not trumpeting those trial results from the highest power pole speaks volumes. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| The Great thing about this... Is the fact there can be no complaints that BPL wasn't given a chance. I is failing on it's own. After BPL disapears from the scene because of the many failed trials we are not likely to see it rear it ugly head again.:D:D:D:D:D:D
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: The Great thing about this... You forgot to mention one thing.
We are still waiting for our anonymous troll to come strolling in here with his great stock tips and BPL "hype" articles.  :D:D | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
2 edits | All of the money that was made by the firms selling hardware and hype. Not to mention the folks marketing it. The ratepayers and investors are obviously getting soaked.
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iffy
join:2004-02-07
Columbus, OH | Not an ISP What if its used not as an ISP, but as a conduit to get info from appliances or other info for marketing? Seems like an ideal solution as a back door into the home. | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: Not an ISP Why in the world would I want a friggin refrigerator connected to a network? None. That's why. | |
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join:2004-02-07
Columbus, OH
| Re: Not an ISP No, you wouldn't. And you would never set it up for that (much less pay for something like that). But on the other end, its a marketers dream, and if it could be done over BPL without any conumer effort (or knowledge?), it would be worth alot of money. | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: Not an ISP Perhaps. And it shows just how much of an idiot consumers are. | |
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JeedaiKnight
0verthinking
Premium
join:2002-03-15
Portland, OR
| Some people need hope! I'm not into the technology, so don't bash me for "BPL kills this wavelength" or whatever. But for some of us rural folks, BPL might be a great option. I know at my parent's house, there are no cable lines, we are too far away from a CO that is DSL-equipped to get that, and no wireless reaches us. Our only option is sattellite, which is expensive and laggy. What do we do? All you city folks can bash BPL all you want...but my parents would give anything short of paying thousands of dollars to wire us a chance to get better than the 21.6K dial-up we have. (yes, it always connects that slow.) I sure hope something else pops up in BPL's place...some people are still suffering!
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Some people need hope! Maybe you haven't seen the articles.
BPL needs repeaters every 1000 feet. Add those up and you can see the costs associated with rural deployment. The same costs that cable and telcos have servicing rural areas. Just because you have powerlines does not mean you could get BPL.
Do a search on here and you will see an article where Comcast wants $10,000 to wire up one small area.
BPL was never going to serve rural areas. PERIOD. | |
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
1 edit | Re: Some people need hope! I agree, every rural area has phone lines, but they are not all serviced by DSL, they are limited by distance. BPL is limited too and the companies that roll it out are going to look for the maximum penetration for the minimal cash outlay. | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Pathetic ...when a website has to link to itself as a source of negativity. We need some real world results. | |
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| Vonage User5
join:2004-05-15
Hillsborough, NC | Re: Pathetic Im in agreement, until i see the results i will withold judgment good or bad. | |
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BPLSUCKS
@204.38.x.x | See user name BPL is dead...give it up already. What would be better is broadcasting a Wi-Fi signal through the lines and using the RF radiation usefully...we see how the lines leak off RF signals so why not broadcast a useful signal? | |
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pcutils
@71.241.x.x
| Its just not a good option That doesn't mean that they couldn't run FIBER over their rights of way: telephone poles/underground deployment to the home. If anyone can do this efficiently, its electric companies (Florida and California being the only noteable exceptions to the rule). | |
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pb5k
more cowbell
Premium
join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ
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| Why Bother? I'm not a huge fan of most of these goofy alternative ways to deliver broadband. Consumers right now already have a good selection of choices.
If you're in a metro area you generally can get access to DSL or Cable, and if you're not you can always tough it out with dialup or go satellite (Wildblue has a lot of good reviews,1.5 megs down, 256k up, and is $50 a month.)
The only one of these alternative broadband systems I like is one they proposed in Michigan. A few small communities have considered putting wireless transmitters on grain towers. They may as well be skyscrapers given our geography, and can service large areas. It would be great competition for satellite, given that it would have far less latency.
That type of strategy worked well for the chinese when they wanted a phone system but didn't want to run a bunch of expensive wire. Granted it's not perfect but it gives you basic service in a much shorter period of time and probably at much lower expense. | |
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BigCreek
God Is Good.
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join:2002-06-25
Heber Springs, AR
| Re: Why Bother? said by pb5k  :Consumers right now already have a good selection of choices. If you're in a metro area you generally can get access to DSL or Cable, and if you're not you can always tough it out with dialup or go satellite (Wildblue has a lot of good reviews,1.5 megs down, 256k up, and is $50 a month.) Beg to differ...
Things generally are great in urbia. But there are essentially no choices in much of rural America. None of you here would consider dial-up as an alternative. And the fact that you mention satellite means you've never had it.
BPL appears to be a non-starter. But access for much of the geography of the country is far from a solved problem.
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RunwayNiner
@comcast.net
| All the self-proclaimed experts... ... of the time were standing on the beach laughing at Wilber and Orville too. BPL's designers just need some time to tweak the ailerons. When they do, Redline Bell Corporation and her spoiled brat kids won't be laughing. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Re: All the self-proclaimed experts... said by RunwayNiner :
... of the time were standing on the beach laughing at Wilber and Orville too. BPL's designers just need some time to tweak the ailerons. When they do, Redline Bell Corporation and her spoiled brat kids won't be laughing.
I'll bet you also believe Elvis Presley is still alive. Engineers have been trying to "fix" BPL for at least 10 years and to date they have not been able to fiqure out a way around the laws of nature.
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| said by RunwayNiner :
... of the time were standing on the beach laughing at Wilber and Orville too. BPL's designers just need some time to tweak the ailerons. When they do, Redline Bell Corporation and her spoiled brat kids won't be laughing.
Bad analogy. There's already several planes that have been flying for several years...they're called DSL, cable, wireless, and fiber. BPL is trying to invent a totally new plane that supposedly will bring air service to everyone, despite faster and similarly priced competitors.
BPL isn't rocket science, it's simply an RF signal modulated with data coupled onto a powerline. Coupling RF onto a powerline has been around since the 30's or 40's. Data modulation has been around for decades.
Wilbur and Orville already made their millions and are getting a tan on the beach, laughing at two marketing people trying to fly a new papermache plane called BPL. | |
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guest01
@optonline.net | Re: All the self-proclaimed experts... I still love my friends CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS BROADBAND BPL... 3 mbps download... 3 mbps upload speed !!!
cable, dsl can`t match the BPL upload SPEED yet !!! | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: All the self-proclaimed experts... said by guest01 :
I still love my friends CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS BROADBAND BPL... 3 mbps download... 3 mbps upload speed !!!
cable, dsl can`t match the BPL upload SPEED yet !!!
Explain your dyn.optononline.net address when you post.
Go find some more BPL cheerleader articles that are worth the bits they are carreid on. | |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | Early Estimate Isn't a bit early too be making the calculation that this is a niche market? This would be like making the claim that Q-Link after it's first couple of years was just a niche market, and not worthy of further development. | |
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BPL: Not Even a Niche
