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join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | Re: subsidized phone said by beans :How does a subsidized phone that you pay out of pocket have anything to do with signing a new contract? Is it not the same as taking a phone that you previously had and put it on the plan? I mean ????
I don't think you understand how phone contracts/new phones work. | |
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| | | | Re: subsidized phone Nvm, I fully understood what he ment now, and I do understand fully how they(new phones and contracts) work. | |
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|  NY TelPremium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
kudos:3
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| Using CPE or Customer Provided Equipment does not change your data plan at all. If I lose my iPhone and go back to my old Blackberry - it is treated as my own equipment.
If you buy something on e-bay or Amazon etc. it is the same.
It only deals with new equipment purchased from Verizon. | |
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juicem2
join:2006-03-05
Mastic Beach, NY | used phone? If I were to buy a used galaxy s3 off craigslist in a few months to replace my T-Bolt would I still keep my unlimited data? I would think so but I am not sure. I am not buying a phone from Vz at a discount. If that is the case I may do that from now on. I would like to stay with them and keep my unlimited. I just drove from Long Island, NY to Virginia and only came off LTE once the whole trip(for about 10 minutes)! I am using wireless tether here at the resort and I am rocking anywhere from 20-27 megs down and 4-7 megs up. The resort has att wifi for free but is only good for 1.5 megs down. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Mike | |
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| | | Re: used phone? yes as long you dont get the phone subsidized by verizon you will be able to keep unlimited. | |
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|  MuDvAyNePremium
join:2002-03-02
Brooklyn, NY | I have a feeling buying a used phone and adding it may work for a period of time, but eventually Verizon will figure out a way to officially end unlimited data once any change is being made to a phone line. | |
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| |  Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | Re: used phone? said by MuDvAyNe:I have a feeling buying a used phone and adding it may work for a period of time, but eventually Verizon will figure out a way to officially end unlimited data once any change is being made to a phone line.
The press release stated that users could keep the grandfathered plan if, rather than getting a subsidized phone, they pay full price. They didn't specifically mention activating a used phone, and I think that was on purpose.
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| Re: used phone? said by buddahbless:Actually I read on another site that Verizon already has that option locked out. That If you wanted to keep your unlimited you MUST purchase the new phone from THEM at FULL retail price. Used phones would be treated as phones you were swapping around from account to account which means it looses unlimited. This was done to make sure you purchase the new phone from them and feed there pig, and prices for used phones on Craiglist etc. will be diminished.
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join:2006-03-05
Mastic Beach, NY | I would switch to sprint to still have unlimited but.... no one comes close to Verizon in coverage especially LTE. Sprint hasn't even launched LTE yet. Those greedy Verizon pigs are the best and they know it. | |
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| | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: used phone? said by juicem2:I would switch to sprint to still have unlimited but.... no one comes close to Verizon in coverage especially LTE. Sprint hasn't even launched LTE yet. Those greedy Verizon pigs are the best and they know it.
So?? .. it's coming.. But, if you want that great LTE coverage and you HAVE to have it NOW ... NOW NOW NOW, then you're stuck with that crappy Verizon SERVICE.
This is the drug that I preach about all the time. Verizon may be greedy pigs, but those who continue to use them are the drug crazed creeps who enable them.
I'd rather give my business to Sprint who's already demonstrated to the people they wanted to bring the "innovative new plans" that people wanted. If people would give Sprint, who's clearly TRYING, unlike the others, to bring to people want they want AND people would buy it, then Sprint PROBABLY would back off on some of THEIR inching the good out of their own plans. But, the fact Sprint is doing what they're doing is a sign that they need to increase revenue as they're not gaining fast enough in subscribers.
Maybe it's time to go with Sprint, give them the business and see where it ends up. Sprint has at least demonstrated they're wanting to give the consumers what they want.. now the consumers need to come take it. Verizon has CLEARLY showed it's hand, and it's not good. This "we're giving you the family share plans that you want" is a HORRIBLE price increase unlike anyone has EVER seen before... and I'm sure people will continue to say "but their coverage is good"..
.. Verizon can piss off their good coverage all they want. It's only a matter of time before the others catch up. | |
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| | | | | |  camaro92Question everythingPremium
join:2008-04-05
Westfield, MA
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said by fiberguy:This is the drug that I preach about all the time. Verizon may be greedy pigs, but those who continue to use them are the drug crazed creeps who enable them.
Give that man a prize. | |
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| | | | | |  CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | I am not any of those things but then I don't have a data plan or a smart phone and the 4 phones we have (2 for my wife and I and 2 for my ILS) costs less than $25/phone with better coverage...
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| | | | Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | said by buddahbless:Actually I read on another site that Verizon already has that option locked out. That If you wanted to keep your unlimited you MUST purchase the new phone from THEM at FULL retail price. Used phones would be treated as phones you were swapping around from account to account which means it looses unlimited. This was done to make sure you purchase the new phone from them and feed there pig, and prices for used phones on Craiglist etc. will be diminished.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is eventually the case. But..... and this may be the only time I ever sing Verizon's praises.....I went to them last week, after the "shared data" plan was announced, and was able to not only keep my unlimited data on both lines, AND get new phones at the discounted contract price, but they even let me do it 42 days early. If they had made me wait until my upgrade date, I wouldn't have made the cut off. | |
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| | they will have to take my unlimited data from...... my dead cold hands. this unlimited data plan will be passed on to my future generations. THE NEW FAMILY JEWEL. | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: they will have to take my unlimited data from...... said by Anarcho:they will have to take my unlimited data from my dead cold hands Don't give them options if you aren't fully prepared to let them take you up on your "offer". | |
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| | Don't tell them. Pay the bill and keep the plan. I doubt that even Verizon will be checking with every county clerk in the U.S. in order to find out who has died. | |
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| | what is the real reason for data capping?!? call me a conspiracy theorist. but all this emphasis on putting extremely low caps on 3G/4G/LTE internet usage and wired usage sounds pretty 1984ish..
why are ISPs and even cellular providers all in a made rush to outdo each other in the fastest network and tiers, when at the same time they are ratcheting down on how much data users can have in a month??
with the billions in revenue that these providers make each month, why are they all hellbent in clamping down on how much data we want to use??
is there some kinda backdoor policy that China has bought up our infrastructure and made demands to the FCC and all internet providers to put a choke hold on our data consumption???
I mean WTF?!? with all the money they are raking in, why not just upgrade their networks and infrastructure?? | |
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|  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: what is the real reason for data capping?!? said by TexasRebel:I mean WTF?!? with all the money they are raking in, why not just upgrade their networks and infrastructure??
They are upgrading like crazy. | |
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| | | | Re: what is the real reason for data capping?!? They are upgrading the speeds, but not upgrading their backend to support more data from more users. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: what is the real reason for data capping?!? said by NeoandGeo:They are upgrading the speeds, but not upgrading their backend to support more data from more users.
Any proof of that or is that just an assumption you are making? | |
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| | | | | | Re: what is the real reason for data capping?!? Assumption that takes a crap on your bias?
You don't have to upgrade when you severely limit what goes through your pipes. There is no incentive when they clamp down like this. It would be a complete waste for them to be upgrading backend under these circumstances.
So do you think they are wasting money that they don't have to? | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: what is the real reason for data capping?!? said by NeoandGeo:Assumption that takes a crap on your bias?
You don't have to upgrade when you severely limit what goes through your pipes. There is no incentive when they clamp down like this. It would be a complete waste for them to be upgrading backend under these circumstances.
So do you think they are wasting money that they don't have to?
IOW, you have no proof. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: what is the real reason for data capping?!? Neither do you, but when looking at all that is laid before us, your assumption is laughable at best. 
It is obvious that caps are to:
1. Protect cable tv revenue
2. Keep "upgrades" to a bare minimum
You know this, but are playing coy for whatever reason you think is funny. I hope no one can be that ignorant to what is going on around them. | |
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join:2012-03-25 | said by Linklist:said by NeoandGeo:Assumption that takes a crap on your bias?
You don't have to upgrade when you severely limit what goes through your pipes. There is no incentive when they clamp down like this. It would be a complete waste for them to be upgrading backend under these circumstances.
So do you think they are wasting money that they don't have to?
IOW, you have no proof. Obama might support it, enough proof?. | |
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|  MemphisPCGuyTaking Care BusinessPremium
join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN | Hi-Speed = Marketing
Low-Caps = Accounting | |
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join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC
kudos:2
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| One workaround Designate "Account Managers" who are authorized to modify the account in the account control panel. Make sure you don't have autopay to an account that you are the sole account holder. If you have paperless billing, make sure it goes to an email address the "account managers" have access to. And, instruct them to not make any mention of your passing to VZW. If you absolutely trust them (like your partner or responsible, older offspring), make sure they know your identifying info (SSN, DOB, passwords, security challenge Q&As) so someone of the same gender can just say they're you if questions arise.
Yes, VZW could find out you died if they subsequently pull a credit report or someone slips up on a phone call from VZ asking for you, but since they can't seem to get their acts together about terminating a dearly departed's account when they are given all of the requisite proof (various stories about those incidents here and in other media), they will more than likely just do the dumb and happy thing as long as the bill gets paid on time.
If your survivors decide after a while they want to close the account they should port-out the number, not call to close it. If VZ retention calls for you, they should simply say that you aren't there.
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I looked at the package tiers and figured it wouldn't be that big of a deal for us anyway. We could both get by on the 4GB shared plan since we use a phone for what it probably was intended, to make calls and look up basic information. Streaming video and music users, yea, you probably should pay more. Tooo baaadddd.
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join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| Re: Upgraded just under the wire then I disagree with the last part - streaming users should not probably pay more. The carriers have sold people on the promise of 3g/4g being explicitly useful for such things, and it is. Artificially limiting the freedom to use your device/connection "as intended" is just crap.
Personally, I've tested my usage with streaming audio at work daily (though not quite ALL day). A month ends up being right over 2GB.
This is priced/set at the 2GB/4GB point because they know that they can bill lots of people at that exact threshold for a little extra money.
Currently on a 5GB/mo. plan with another carrier (U.S. Cellular), and don't plan on changing if I can help it.
Verizon knew damn well what they were doing - give people 5GB/mo., see what people really use, and then notch down the plans (and then have a promo for 4GB/mo? Give me a break... people have some short memory these days) at the same price point to gain overage charges. | |
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| | | | Re: Upgraded just under the wire then "I disagree with the last part - streaming users should not probably pay more. The carriers have sold people on the promise of 3g/4g being explicitly useful for such things, and it is. Artificially limiting the freedom to use your device/connection "as intended" is just crap."
It's not your network, it's theirs. You're free to go someplace else. Businesses are in the business to make money, not lose it.
"Personally, I've tested my usage with streaming audio at work daily (though not quite ALL day). A month ends up being right over 2GB."
Bring a radio to work. Phone usage = 0 then and no worry of a cap.
Get used to it, every company that provides a service to the public is pushed to the limit due to demand. If you had a company, you'd do the same thing. Wait till govt takes over healthcare if you want to see shortages. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | It's only a matter of time before it's gone alltogether Unlimited never made sense from day 1. If they are nice, they will throttle at 3GB like AT&T, if not, they will take it away completely. | |
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| | The must hate me I have 5 lines, 3 of them smart phones. I got the $9.99 unlimited data deal that went around awhile back. They have yet to remove it. Right now I pay $215/month for all 5 lines w/ 3 being unlimited data, 2000 mins and unlimited text. If I had to change to a family data plan according to the info posted earlier this month I would be paying over $300/month. I want a new Droid 4 but now I am scarred they might force me to change. | |
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| | | Re: The must hate me buy all your phones off contract. i too have the promo discounted unlimited data rate offered in november 2010. | |
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| | Article is wrong "Those users lose their unlimited data if they upgrade to a new LTE phone or buy a subsidized phone."
The first part of that is not true and is a nonsensical statement. It's only if you buy a subsidized phone. I can confirm that I recently bought a used phone off craigslist to replace my current phone and I still get unlimited data. This new policy mentioned by Verizon does not mention changing that ability. | |
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| | | PhoneNews.com confirmed the change directly with Verizon, so I suspect it's a separate policy, timed to go in effect with Share Everything simultaneously.
Crafty, Verizon... very crafty. | |
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| | | | Re: Article is wrong You are not reading correctly. If you have unlimited and simply switch your phone with a used one, it remains unlimited. Assumption of liability is trying to take over someone else's unlimited account. | |
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| bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY Reviews:
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| On my corporate account I lose unlimited data if I put a 4G device in. Pretty soon you won't be able to get just a 3G phone/device anymore which will nerf the unlimited data.
I stocked up on Iphone 4s (June 28th drop dead for unlimited / grandfathered / subsidy) but eventually those phones will die off and I'll have to get an LTE phone and lose the unlimited.
I wish they allowed corporate pooling. We don't suck down data on the unlimited - I'm more trying to avoid data overages. My 50 devices probably don't go over 300GB in aggregate. | |
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| othas3
join:2002-07-15
Los Angeles, CA | I just went to read the phonenews.com article, and the author has pulled it. There's a big recant there. | |
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| | Loosing your unlimited. Everyone is so worried about loosing their unlimited, oooo the world is going to end. Don't get me wrong there are a few people this is going to harm (those that really use their device for internet stuff) But i have heard so much yelling and B*T*Hing from customers who use 500mb to 1GB and they are outright telling me they are gonna leave. If your gonna yell about it, then be one of the ones who really uses it more than 2GB per month. If not switch to the metered plan cause its not gonna make a difference for you. | |
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| | | Re: Loosing your unlimited. said by nitros22: If your gonna yell about it, then be one of the ones who really uses it more than 2GB per month. If not switch to the metered plan cause its not gonna make a difference for you.
the real issue here is if these caps and overages were based on any sort of economic reality, then users that regularly use significantly less than the standard caps would see their costs go down. they haven't, and i feel confidant forecasting that it wont happen any time soon.
if more usage costs more, minimal usage should cost less. | |
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| | Full retail price may be worth it A subsidized new phone these days is $300 +-. Retail these phones go for $600 +-. Hence a $300 difference; over 24 months that works out to $12.50 per month to keep your unlimited.
So ... if you have to up your share everything plan more than $12.50 per month because you need more data ... in the end it would be cheaper to purchase your phones at retail. | |
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join:2002-07-15
Los Angeles, CA | Feature Change held hostage by unlimited data In March, I got the Wifi-only Motorola Xoom. I decided to activate Mobile Hotspot on my Droid 4 to let the Xoom taste some LTE. I could not activate the feature on the website, so I went to the store. At the store, the CSR was having trouble, so he called a supervisor, and he was unable to resolve it. The problem -- the computer would not let him activate Mobile Hotspot WITHOUT removing unlimited data. They advised me to call Verizon, and they were able to do it over the phone. | |
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| Funny Math I went in and bought my new phone today instead of waiting... The sales girl used funny math when I asked her to compare today with tomorrow... She added all the extras to the amount we pay now as if they would be included in tomorrows plans, which I verified they are not... | |
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@comcast.net | Re: Wrong Not only have they removed it but completely changed the information. You can still do an AOL keeping unlimited data intact for any reason after June 28th. The corrected info apparently came directly from VZW. So, find someone like me, who's looking to find someone to take over their two unlimited data lines and you're set! | |
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