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| Re: What is going on? I guess if I can understand the person and the job stays in the U.S., its a small price. However, if the call center gets outsourced to Ali Baba in India where I can't understand a word, then I've got issues. With as many jobs as we see going overseas, we need to find ways to keep them here. At least the companies are being upfront about it, instead of working the cost into the bill automatically. Still, I wish things didn't have to come to that. | |
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join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO | Re: What is going on? You mean like the way they already worked the cost of every employee they employ to perform any service including the janitors into their current charges?
This is yet another cost of doing business they are working in below the line. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | It will only be enough, when companies can charge you for merely existing. Oh wait.. its called taxes  -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| said by spewak :Where are we going as Human beings? When is enough, enough? It's greed. Companies these days want to take your money but they don't want to have to pay for employees. They want the sheer minimum number of employees possible, so they want to massively under-staff. Results are things like "You must use the automated system or pay us extra" .... OR long wait times on hold.
Wait till you get some real winners in customer service.... They have messages that say "We're experiencing high call volume.... Please use the automated system, or try your call again later." If you CAN'T use the automated system, (because they screwed up and you have to fix it) they hang up on you.
High call volume = We don't hire enough people to answer the phones, and we don't care because we don't have sufficient competition, and you're not going anywhere.... so suck it down, deal with the crappy service we give you.... -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| Re: What is going on? Personally, I find them handy and like automated systems, for what they are. They are useful and quick... beats the long hold times.... And I also understand the business saving money too... it's a win/win all around.... AS LONG AS when I really *DO* need a customer service Rep, THEY ARE THERE.
IE if you can't use the automated system due to some problem, and need to speak to a rep, if they are there, then that's what I call good service. Even a few minutes hold is ok... but being told to call later, or huge wait times, or FEES for talking to the Rep... No way. That's really crappy customer service. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| When you go to the grocery store.... Let's think... A grocery store checkout is a good "reality" version of a checkout. People wait in lines (or a "queue") to be serviced.
Do you haggle with the checkout lady over the price of a gallon of milk, or a pound of beef? Do you insist that she should sell it to you for $1 instead of $2.99, repeatedly despite the fact that she has no way of changing it? Do you take 5 minutes of her time (and everyone else behind you in line) to complain to her that you waited 10 minutes to be rung out, and that you're so disgusted with the customer service that you're going to shop elsewhere? Do you stop to tell her the names and rep id's of everyone that checked you out before her because you want to complain to someone about what a crappy job they did? Do you take the time to do all this even though that rep is powerless to do anything about it? Do you do this even after you watched the person in front of you waste your time doing all the same things? Because this is the kind of time-wasting things that customer service reps put up with every day.
I work for AT&T (please don't hate me) as a customer service rep. My average call is 8-9 minutes long. Usually it only takes about 2 minutes to do what I need to do with the customer's account, if I do all the talking. So guess how much time of that call goes to "letting the customer vent"? You got it...
So when you get that message that "we're experiencing heavy call volume" message and you're told the wait will be 20+ minutes, it's probably more likely due to the fact that everyone in front of you in line is taking your precious time with all their useless complaining, and not even letting the agents do their jobs.
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| Re: When you go to the grocery store.... said by CConverse :So when you get that message that "we're experiencing heavy call volume" message and you're told the wait will be 20+ minutes, it's probably more likely due to the fact that everyone in front of you in line is taking your precious time with all their useless complaining, and not even letting the agents do their jobs. Then they need to hire more agents... Also, 6 minutes of venting? Sounds like AT&T really must piss a lot of people off. Unfortunately, the only time people usually need to speak to someone is when something is wrong, so I imagine most of the time you've got people who are upset about something calling in.... but not always.
Even so, for companies to leave messages saying "Use the automated system or call later" and then hangup is really crappy customer service. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| Re: When you go to the grocery store.... Our department's hold times average under 60 seconds, it's not a matter of staffing. We have to staff like we're therapists. Usually I can fix whatever's wrong, but I'm not supposed to interrupt people so I have to listen to them vent before I even get a chance to do anything.
My point is that we're service people. We're no more important to at&t than a cashier is at a grocery store. Imagine if everyone acted toward cashiers in person like they do to service people on the phone. My position on the floor is to be flexible. I am management when they need me to be management, I am service person when they need an extra agent or two to help clear the queue. I am also a customer. I see it from the top down and also from the ground up.
And it's not just at&t pissing people off. Imagine if everyone acted toward cashiers in person like they do to service people on the phone. People vent to me about gas prices, the cable company, their financial situation, their brother or cousin or ex who ran up their Dish bill by ordering porno flicks, that they only will have $.83 for groceries for the month (personally I'd take food over internet but I guess that's just me), how they are handicapped or elderly or a Vietnam Veteran or a single mom or someone who just got out of jail or an important businessperson who lost millions because your residential internet service was down... people will go on all day with their problems if we let them. Many, many people.
People complain sometimes that we apologize too much. Agents are trained to "express empathy" whenever a customer is upset about something and we can do nothing about it. Even if it has nothing to do with at&t. Ironically enough, what agents are supposed to do if you're complaining that we apologize too much, is to say "I'm sorry." So instead of complaining about it, it would be far much more productive to just to let us know what it is you need done, or ask what you would like to know.
I do agree about the hangups. It should simply inform them at the beginning that it may be 1/2 hour to an hour hold time. -- UNLESS Someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to change... It's not
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| Here's my plan...
Next time I get a "sales call" on my phone, I will advise the salesperson on the other end that I will have to have $2.00 deposited electronically into my Pay Pal account before I'll be able to respond to any questions. I'll check my account every few hours. When the money has been deposited, I'll answer one question.
The next question will cost double ($4.00), the next question, $8.00 and so on.
If we all DEMANDED payment for a "real" person... | |
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| Re: What is going on? said by Buttset :Here's my plan... Next time I get a "sales call" on my phone, I will advise the salesperson on the other end that I will have to have $2.00 deposited electronically into my Pay Pal account before I'll be able to respond to any questions. I'll check my account every few hours. When the money has been deposited, I'll answer one question. The next question will cost double ($4.00), the next question, $8.00 and so on. If we all DEMANDED payment for a "real" person... | |
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| said by Buttset :Here's my plan... Next time I get a "sales call" on my phone, I will advise the salesperson on the other end that I will have to have $2.00 deposited electronically into my Pay Pal account before I'll be able to respond to any questions. I'll check my account every few hours. When the money has been deposited, I'll answer one question. The next question will cost double ($4.00), the next question, $8.00 and so on. If we all DEMANDED payment for a "real" person... I like your idea. -- "Beer the cause of and solution to all MY problems!" | |
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You must really suck at life if you have no bank account and have to pay in person with cash. Even if you don't have a computer you can go to the local library use one of their computer and have your bills paid in 5 minutes. -- Yes, its stuck in a windows this time. | |
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| Re: Suck at Life We transferred our digital cable + internet from the old house to the new house this past week when we moved, and they wanted to charge us $30 per box plus $25 (we have 4 boxes). We basically laughed at them, they "agreed" to lower it to $12 per box after we argued that they only had to connect the cable, we could handle all the inside work.
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| Re: Suck at Life said by DaveNJ :The article did mention id theft, which could prevent you from using your bank account. This is uncalled for, ATT should go out of its way to help customers like this. ".... an id theft victim (forced to close her checking account) was charged $2 for trying to pay AT&T in cash:"
While I'm not a Comcast fanboy, your statement is a little unfair as the news item says it was ATT.  | |
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| Re: Suck at Life What does this have to do with Comcast? Their are a lot of reasons why ATT sucks but I just don't see this as one of them. I have also had my problems with Comcast too but paying in person does not seem to be a problem. | |
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| Re: Suck at Life said by GlenQuagmire :What does this have to do with Comcast? Their are a lot of reasons why ATT sucks but I just don't see this as one of them. I have also had my problems with Comcast too but paying in person does not seem to be a problem. At the time I posted my reply, the post I replied to said Comcast. It has since been changed to say ATT. Apparently, that change also made it into my quote.  | |
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| said by GlenQuagmire :You must really suck at life if you have no bank account and have to pay in person with cash. Even if you don't have a computer you can go to the local library use one of their computer and have your bills paid in 5 minutes. Unfortunatly, there are more people in this predictament than you'd know. This is a major reason for currency exchanges in the inner city.... On the other hand, the way banks are running these days it might be atually cheaper! | |
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| Re: Suck at Life It's not really all that hard to sign up for a checking account these days.
WaMu offers a free checking account that gives you unlimited free paper checks, a debit card and free online bill pay. You don't even need direct deposit. Just walk into a branch and set up the account. You don't get any interest, but that's not the point of a checking account anyway.
Most credit unions offer really inexpensive plans as well.
The last time I actually paid a fee to a bank was when I had some money wired to me from Canada.
There are a lot of people who don't trust banks and would rather keep their money as cash stuffed in their mattress, but that's more a matter of financial education. -- My opinions are my own. No-one else would want them! | |
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| Re: Suck at Life "WaMu offers a free checking account that gives you unlimited free paper checks, a debit card and free online bill pay. You don't even need direct deposit. Just walk into a branch and set up the account. You don't get any interest, but that's not the point of a checking account anyway."
Unless you recently filed for bankruptcy like a woman I know, who has had much difficulty opening a checking account, even after attending the proper financial responsibility courses and getting the required certificates. There are many people in these types of predicaments, and policies like these only hurt people who already have financial problems. That's what galls me so much about these policies. They don't inconvenience rich people, they take money from the poor or struggling lower-middle class people who need every dollar they get just to stay afloat. Does anyone think that any of these problems are magically going to get better with the housing crisis still looming over our heads? And frankly, with the way banks treat customers - I've been ordered out as an account holder before with a jar of change because they were too lazy to use the machine to even count it up - I'd *rather* not have an account and pay in cash for as much stuff as I can. And don't even get me started on the fact that they discourage people from even opening saving accounts at most of the local banks around here by not allowing the initial deposit to be touched for a full three months. Good luck if you have an emergency. The piddle-diddle amount of interest earned isn't worth that risk. And we wonder why this country is going down the proverbial craphole.
Thank god for Walmart being willing to cash paychecks, or these people would be doubly-raped by the local grocery stores charging $20 to cash an $900 check instead of the $3 that Walmart charges for the same frakking service. -- You're watching Sports Night on CSC so stick around... | |
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| Re: Suck at Life quote: That's what galls me so much about these policies. They don't inconvenience rich people, they take money from the poor or struggling lower-middle class people who need every dollar they get just to stay afloat.
Milton Friedman and friends simply don't care.
Their entire existence and philosophical makeup is based upon profit at any at all cost. There is no negotiation or apathy. | |
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| Re: Suck at Life said by Karl Bode : quote: That's what galls me so much about these policies. They don't inconvenience rich people, they take money from the poor or struggling lower-middle class people who need every dollar they get just to stay afloat.
Milton Friedman and friends simply don't care. Their entire existence and philosophical makeup is based upon profit at any at all cost. There is no negotiation or empathy. Fixed it for you. Apathy to empathy. | |
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| said by Corydon :There are a lot of people who don't trust banks and would rather keep their money as cash stuffed in their mattress, but that's more a matter of financial education. What tops that, are those seemingly allergic to cash - Do they realize as they go about their day, the MASSIVE paper trail they leave in their wake? The "gift" of the profile ("gold!") that could be mined from a week's worth of petty purchases they give the issuer of their favorite "plastic" -- not just to be usurped in-house for targeted adverticing, but dangling out there for anyone with a subpeona (or a Federal "badge")?
The privacy that cash provides is something even cash itself can't buy.
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| I have gone to only a debt card and cash, for me, I like it. But the Wal-Mart card would be better if only because most are open 24 hrs a day, while most ( depends on where you are ) currency exchanges are open during the day, like most of the Western Unions. | |
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| said by GlenQuagmire :You must really suck at life if you have no bank account and have to pay in person with cash. Even if you don't have a computer you can go to the local library use one of their computer and have your bills paid in 5 minutes. You didn't read the article did you? -- »www.seabee.navy.mil | |
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| said by GlenQuagmire :You must really suck at life if you have no bank account and have to pay in person with cash. Even if you don't have a computer you can go to the local library use one of their computer and have your bills paid in 5 minutes. Ok, explain to me how an identify theft victim, with their accounts locked down/closed, is going to pay bills online at the local library. They got some bill feeders hooked to their PC's there where U can feed in cash? -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| said by GlenQuagmire :You must really suck at life if you have no bank account and have to pay in person with cash. Even if you don't have a computer you can go to the local library use one of their computer and have your bills paid in 5 minutes. Maybe if you read the article, there was a reason this woman did not have a checking account at the time.  | |
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| Re: Suck at Life said by zachary1 :Yeah, it's called a bad credit rating. Read the article then get back to me when you can make an intelligent replay. | |
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| said by GlenQuagmire :You must really suck at life if you have no bank account and have to pay in person with cash. Even if you don't have a computer you can go to the local library use one of their computer and have your bills paid in 5 minutes. I'm perfectly willing to go open bank accounts, provided that corporations don't misbill me and auto-deduct those misbilled amounts from my checking accounts without my permission, which is how my last three checking accounts were closed (and which cascaded failures to three others). Now I only have one far-away bank account. I cannot open new accounts at this time despite many tries. Why? Because of corporations like AT&T, Sonic.net, iTunes (the first time I ever tried that, and the last), et al.
Not at all my fault, so why blame me for not having bank accounts? | |
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join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | and sadly if you refused to pay the "handling fee" for cash you would just see it on the next bill most likely with a large late fee. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Nickels and dimes Anyone else find this statement particularly interesting
quote: The concept of a human contact fee actually began at the National Bank of Chicago in 1995, when they started charging customers to speak to a live teller.
That's why there's a 2$ fee to take your cash out of an ATM at a (non-affiliated) bank. WHY?
Soon it will be 5$ to talk to a real person 2$ to pay by phone 1$ to pay by internet
Then they will tack on a 5% convenience charge like ticketmaster. -- Stupidity, like hydrogen, is one of the basic building blocks of the Universe.
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| Re: Nickels and dimes said by Psychephylax :That's why there's a 2$ fee to take your cash out of an ATM at a (non-affiliated) bank. WHY? Because they can. ATM's have been identified as profit centers, so the banks are going to charge whatever they can to maximize that profit. You may recall that, when ATM's first appeared, many banks charged you a fee to use their own machines. That fee is pretty much gone now, but I think that's just because there was too much competition for them to keep charging it. Some bank somewhere dropped the fee, and so its competitors had to do the same or risk losing customers. The same holds true with credit card annual fees. You used to have to pay around $20/year just to carry a Visa or Mastercard.
It's all about what the market will bear, or, to put it more simply, what people are willing to pay. If companies can get people to pay these fees, they will charge them. Otherwise, they won't. | |
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join:2002-07-14 30876 | Try something more like $4-5 to pay by the internet. At least the last time I looked into paying a couple of my bills by the internet like my electricity bill it was about $4 to complete the transaction. | |
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| This is typical.... Use our Automated system or pay extra ... Problem is, THEY screw up (billing error, for example) and you CAN'T use the automated system, it *requires* a customer service rep to fix..... The second they start charging me to fix their screwups .... It's already a huge waste of our time. How come we can't charge THEM for wasting our time? -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| Sprint PCS charged $2 Back in the day when Sprint was known as Sprint PCS they charged $2 to speak with a CSR for anything. Only because Clair could do just about anything they could except bill credits. That didnt last too long with them as they decided to scrap the fee about a year later after it was announced. That was back in Early 2000 | |
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