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It's cool, I'm takin it back
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
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San Antonio, TX
| Re: hmm said by lev  :said by Corona :does this really bother anyone? Nope. You live here, you speak the language. Language-isolated communities really tick me off. They don't tick me off as much as annoy me when someone whines about how they might be left behind on some issue because they choose to live in isolation. | |
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clubs:  | Re: hmm It's a little bit of both. You come here for a better life in the US, learn to speak the frigging language. No reason to leave your heritage behind, but don't isolate yourself either. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA | No.
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
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join:2000-03-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: hmm said by Ulmo :No. If they prefer their own language, they can move home. Hell, if they want to live in isolation, more power to them - it's a free country. But, this is a consequence of living that way. | |
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join:2002-04-10
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1 edit | Re: Don't these people have relatives? Can you be any more of an asshole and bigoted? So you now make assumptions that ALL ASIAN families stick together and watch out for their elders? I guess all white people do too, seeing how we love tossing our seniors into nursing and retirement homes. What happens to these people, by the way? They don't live in single family dwellings, yet many own televisions. I know, the nursing / senior home should be responsible for sorting it. That's what their kids and Medicare pay them to do, right? Babysit. Seriously Junk, did you miss the line that said BRAINS somewhere on your journey into life? As per the social and special interest agencies, THEY ARE USING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO TRANSITION TO START. Personally, the GOVERNMENT shouldn't be forcing anyone to make changes to their technology. It should be optional. Seeing how it isn't and our tax dollars are "hard at work", they have a responsibility to educate people about the change. | |
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
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join:2000-03-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Don't these people have relatives? Well, it's available in all the following languages, how much more education about it do you want?
* Ahmaric
* Arabic
* Armenian
* Assamese
* Basque
* Bengali
* Bosnian
* Bulgarian
* Canadian French
* Chinese Simplified
* Chinese Traditional
* Cornish
* Croatian
* Czech
* Danish
* Dutch
* Estonian
* Farsi
* Finnish
* Flemish
* French
* Georgian
* German
* Greek
* Guj
* Haitian Creole
* Hausa
* Hindi
* Hmong
* Hungarian
* Index2.php
* Indonesian
* Italian
* Japanese
* Kannada
* Kashmiri
* Khmer
* Korean
* Kurdish
* Malayalam
* Malaysian
* Marathi
* Mongolian
* Nepali
* Polish
* Portuguese
* Punjabi
* Romanian
* Russian
* Samoan
* Sanskrit
* Somali
* Spanish
* Swahili
* Tagalog
* Tajik
* Tamil
* Telugu
* Urdu
* Vietnamese
* Welsh
And, speaking of "optional" and what the government should and shouldn't be doing, aren't you one of those people that bitch and whine and complain about how the US is ranked 13th in some study about broadband penetration and should "do something" about it?
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2 edits | Re: Don't these people have relatives? Earth to Corona, is anyone home inside? Obviously not. The fact that the DTV website is in many languages is not the point. The point here is ELDERLY PEOPLE, ARE NOT INFORMED. Why, well older people tend not to understand the changes that take place. Sure, the website is in various languages. PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Does that not click? I highly doubt 70 and 80 year old senior citizens are tech savvy enough, when people 50+ aren't. That is all fine and wonderful to reach younger people, but you still run into the problem of elderly people of ALL BACKGROUNDS and NATIONALITIES getting there to read it. I only see TV ads in English, too. Hence, if Asian Grandma who doesn't speak English doesn't understand what's going on she's out of luck. The same literally for all seniors who might not understand the change. Does that hit home, or no? I'm guessing no.
As per the government getting faster internet, I am for increased broadband penetration. HOWEVER, that is optional. Read this word slowly. O-P-T-I-O-N--A-L. With a national broadband policy, PEOPLE ARE NOT FORCED to have broadband. Any improvements made to the system are not ones that require much change, anyway. All changes are on the isp side. If you get fiber, the most that might need done is an upgrade in your modem. Quite simple. Hell, the ISP will come in and do that for you. When it comes to DTV, this is NOT OPTIONAL. Hence, those who don't understand what is going on will be out of luck. There's no TV guy visiting everyone's house to say here's why your signal doesn't work, like an ISP would do with broadband. Not to mention those living in retirement communities that aren't labeled as single dwellings will be forced to buy the equipment on their retirement checks.
Texans / Texas .... I'm learning every day just how ignorant this state and it's people are ever since I moved here a few months back. | |
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Weapons of Masturbation
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| Re: Uh said by texans20 :Who gives a damn? Well said, I bet by middle of Feb. everybody will have figured it out and like welfare our glorious leaders will print another batch of coupons for the poor dumb dears who missed out on the months of Tv ads. | |
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join:2003-12-10
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: Don't these people have relatives? said by jc100 :Re: Don't these people have relatives? Earth to Corona, is anyone home inside? Obviously not. The fact that the DTV website is in many languages is not the point. The point here is ELDERLY PEOPLE, ARE NOT INFORMED. Why, well older people tend not to understand the changes that take place. Sure, the website is in various languages. PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Does that not click? I highly doubt 70 and 80 year old senior citizens are tech savvy enough, when people 50+ aren't. That is all fine and wonderful to reach younger people, but you still run into the problem of elderly people of ALL BACKGROUNDS and NATIONALITIES getting there to read it. I only see TV ads in English, too. Hence, if Asian Grandma who doesn't speak English doesn't understand what's going on she's out of luck. The same literally for all seniors who might not understand the change. Does that hit home, or no? I'm guessing no. As per the government getting faster internet, I am for increased broadband penetration. HOWEVER, that is optional. Read this word slowly. O-P-T-I-O-N--A-L. With a national broadband policy, PEOPLE ARE NOT FORCED to have broadband. Any improvements made to the system are not ones that require much change, anyway. All changes are on the isp side. If you get fiber, the most that might need done is an upgrade in your modem. Quite simple. Hell, the ISP will come in and do that for you. When it comes to DTV, this is NOT OPTIONAL. Hence, those who don't understand what is going on will be out of luck. There's no TV guy visiting everyone's house to say here's why your signal doesn't work, like an ISP would do with broadband. Not to mention those living in retirement communities that aren't labeled as single dwellings will be forced to buy the equipment on their retirement checks. Texans / Texas .... I'm learning every day just how ignorant this state and it's people are ever since I moved here a few months back. 1. If elderly Americans were in China, do you think the Chinese government would lift one finger or spend anything whatsoever to inform them in English of changes in anything?
2. Receiving OTA television signal is a privilege, not a right. I don't see any legislation anywhere that spells out an individual's right to receive a particular bit of programming on any given EM frequency. All spectrum is privileged by our controlling government and sold off to broadcasters as such. Receipt of said signal is completely in the individual’s hands, and no one, including the government, has any incumbent responsibility to ensure anyone receives it. If someone chooses to live underground, should the government drill a hole to them to ensure they get TV signal? I don't think so! The fact that the government, or any other group, is spending any time or money to inform anyone is beyond their responsibility. Our government does it so its constituents don't get pissed when their TVs go dead (many will anyway), and to help justify closing down the analog spectrum so they can resell it. So if elderly Asian Americans don't get the message, then yes, they are out of luck. Keep in mind that is by their own choice of lifestyle. If they loose the privilege of picking up a signal that is freely broadcast in the air, and they don't know why, perhaps it will convince them to search out the information for themselves and ultimately do them some good. Anyone who chooses to be isolated in any country, and then gets surprised when something happens that they didn't expect or didn't realize was coming, is simply fooling themselves of their own ignorance. | |
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join:2002-04-10
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| Re: Don't these people have relatives? Actually, receiving OTA is a RIGHT, not a privilege. Nice Try though. I like your flawed thinking. When your tax dollars go to supplementing or paying for it, there is an entitlement. When its done AT NO COST to the tax payer, then it's a privilege. That's why PUBLIC roads don't charge tolls, while private roads do. You have a PUBLIC right to drive on them for free. Your taxes ALREADY paid for the expense. The same with the DTV transition. The government is footing the bill and using tax dollars to transition. Not to mention, they profited off the sale of the OTA spectrum. Hence, there is entitlement that everyone is aware and can receive what is PUBLICLY paid for. Anyway, I thought I'd inform you of your ignorance. It's my duty as an American to point out the flawed and lack of thinking in others. | |
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join:2003-12-10
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| Re: Don't these people have relatives? Wow. You really are ignorant and apparently proud of it. Driving on public roads is not a right. It is a privilege, and that privilege can be revoked as well. If you don't believe me, ask a judge if you can be stripped of that privilege. Being supplemented or purchased with tax dollars is absolutely not a sufficient condition to deem something as a right to any individual or to the public at large. Do you think you have any rights to any particular piece military equipment, the White House or any given chunk of airspace? What about VA hospitals for non-military? Do you think you have any rights to gasoline or airline travel (both supplemented)? That said, notice has been given about the transition and quite substantially. The job has been done, and if you really think about it, catering to the lowest common denominator is as asinine as your arguments. | |
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2 edits | Re: Don't these people have relatives? Actually, Ignorance starts with you bud. YOUR LICENSE is a PRIVILEGE granted by states. That can be revoked. HOWEVER, ONE IS FREE to still BICYCLE on Public Roads even w/o said license. A police officer can't arrest you for legally riding your bike on a road, either. Guess what, All for "free" too!!! Your taxes PAY FOR THOSE ROADS. Therefore, how about growing a brain? I know, that's kind of difficult with a deficit to start.
As per your Military Question, Yes I can buy military equipment (deemed legal to own under the law). It's called an ARMY SURPLUS STORE. --- FAIL
As for the White House, Tax payers own it. Thats why they offer TOURS because it's a PUBLIC BUILDING! -- FAIL
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join:2001-10-23
Akron, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| im sure they'll figure it out as will everyone else who actually enjoys watching tv for any significant amount of time. less tax $ spent lowering the common denominator the better, I say... the thing is it's just tv and not at all a basic right in any way. if they watch tv, they'll see it go blank, and then ask one of their younger family members why- just like any black or white or purple person would. radio still works and i'm sure if there's an emergency it will be our information channel anyway.
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1 edit | stereotypes This seems to contradict the stereotype of Asians being up on technology.
I'm sure there are plenty of other ethnic groups that may be in the dark also.
Also, if they are that isolated culturally they probably aren't watching American programming. They probably subscribe to satellite for international programming. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA | Re: stereotypes Stereotypes are there for a reason, because the majority of them seem to have met that particular "stereotype", or conform to something that qualifies as one.
Yes, it fits. They seem to be up on gadgets at least, especially cameras. | |
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join:2007-06-29
Killen, AL | They don't need it anyway If they don't speak English, then they don't need a OTA converter box anyway. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: They don't need it anyway said by mudturtle74 :If they don't speak English, then they don't need a OTA converter box anyway. Exactly. | |
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Youngsville, PA | Re: They don't need it anyway I disagree. Most people, and this is just my observation, most people that do not speak English learn it by watching american tv. Just ask a few people that had to learn english, how did they do it? | |
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join:2006-10-09
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| said by keyboard5684 :I disagree. Most people, and this is just my observation, most people that do not speak English learn it by watching american tv. Just ask a few people that had to learn english, how did they do it? They learned it at school in their home country. | |
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Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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Lowellville, OH
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| Re: Ummm... May as well. Considering we let just about anyone in this country who doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
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Ocean City, NJ
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She points to the digital television primer available in 59 languages at the NAB consumer Web site DTVAnswers.com, which touts the “easy steps” consumers need to undertake. »www.dtvanswers.com/dtv_languages.html
In Other Languages
To make sure your benefits from the digital television transition don't get lost in translation, we've boiled down the basics of DTV and outlined ways you can prepare for the switch in dozens of languages.
Just download the ones you want. And check back often, since we're adding new languages on a regular basis.
* Ahmaric
* Arabic
* Armenian
* Assamese
* Basque
* Bengali
* Bosnian
* Bulgarian
* Canadian French
* Chinese Simplified
* Chinese Traditional
* Cornish
* Croatian
* Czech
* Danish
* Dutch
* Estonian
* Farsi
* Finnish
* Flemish
* French
* Georgian
* German
* Greek
* Guj
* Haitian Creole
* Hausa
* Hindi
* Hmong
* Hungarian
* Index2.php
* Indonesian
* Italian
* Japanese
* Kannada
* Kashmiri
* Khmer
* Korean
* Kurdish
* Malayalam
* Malaysian
* Marathi
* Mongolian
* Nepali
* Polish
* Portuguese
* Punjabi
* Romanian
* Russian
* Samoan
* Sanskrit
* Somali
* Spanish
* Swahili
* Tagalog
* Tajik
* Tamil
* Telugu
* Urdu
* Vietnamese
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Chinese for example:
»www.dtvanswers.com/languages/chi···fied.pdf
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South Burlington, VT | Re: Ummm... Funny,that family doesn't look Chinese. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: Ummm... true. but i don't know many people that are 50+ that are willing to touch a computer or even know where to go and actually use one free. | |
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| Re: Ummm... said by hottboiinnc :true. but i don't know many people that are 50+ that are willing to touch a computer or even know where to go and actually use one free. Then you mustn't know many people over 50. I know dozens of people over 50 and until you get in to the 80+ range, they all use computers. Even my 70yrs+ aunts and uncles all use computers.
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Youngsville, PA | Bull. Everyone I know over 50 uses a computer and at least email. | |
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| Riiiight... So instead of having to watch the crawls across the screen during prime time shows warning people about the transition in English, not I'll have to watch it in Mandarin Chinese, Laotian, Spanish, French and any other language in the US... Seriously, you can only try so hard before trying to get the word out to people gets flat out ridiculous.
The transition has been in the works for what, over ten years, and people still don't have a clue about? Some how I think this points to a fantastic failure in the notification process if you can't get most of the population to know about the transition when you have ten years or so.
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| Re: Riiiight... said by NetAdmin :Some how I think this points to a fantastic failure in the notification process if you can't get most of the population to know about the transition when you have ten years or so. I'd bet that MOST of the population does know about the transition. What we're seeing now are complaints that every sub-subset of every ethnic group may not be aware of the change. Next we'll hear how the Inuit children under 2 aren't aware of the change and can't get a coupon from the Feds.  | |
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| Asian Americans watch little of this programming anyway My wife is Asian American. Her parents have limited English skills. I agree...immigrants who come to this country should learn the language. But that doesn't seem to be the case any longer, unlike the immigrants of yesteryear who wanted to immerse themselves in the American Culture and Language. This is obviously a topic that hits close to home for me.
Back on-topic...most of these Asian Americans probably watch little broadcast television..at least based on my experience in the Asian Community. They tend to watch recorded media in their own language, or they have satellite service with access to programming in their own language.
And in general, most Asian American families I have come in contact with do have family members or friends who will help out during the transition.
The Government has done all they can to get the word out on this transition, including delaying it a year. Enough is enough.
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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| Re: Asian Americans watch little of this programming anyway said by Go USA :
Back on-topic...most of these Asian Americans probably watch little broadcast television..at least based on my experience in the Asian Community. They tend to watch recorded media in their own language, or they have satellite service with access to programming in their own language. Yeppers. Mom doesn't have satellite, but she sure has a collection of NHK videos, and much more that she can rent from the oriental store.
About all she watches on cable is the news at supper (as sis and I watch it) and Westerns or TCM at night (big Golden screen fan).
The Asians in question are more likely not to even care if the transition took place, as if they did, their network of friends will let them know. It's a very tight community, even if by Western standards they're "alone".
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| Made up problem? I find it hard to believe that people who are paying their bills in this country where everything is in english could not know about the dtv switch. How did they even poll these people if they are so isolated and unaware of things around them?
These people are either watching english tv just fine and therefore have seen the commercials, or don't watch tv an therefore it does not matter if they know or not. | |
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join:2004-03-13
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| What about PSAs on the channels geared for asian-americans I know that in the SF Bay Area, which has one of the largest asian-american populations in the united states, we do have a station that plays content in many languages, and exclusively geared at asian-american viewers. They have been announcing the DTV transition just like all the other broadcast tv stations in the area. They even have been dealing directly with many asian-american community organizations out here to help people understand what the transition is all about.
Honestly, if people watch broadcast tv still, and do not know about the transition (even though the messages play at least once an hour or so on just about every channel) then they just haven't been paying attention. Remember, folks, television isn't a right; it's a luxury. And it's also NOT the only means of outside communication for the elderly, contrary to what some people seem to think... If someone has a television, chances are they have at least one radio.
It's pretty asinine when people get obsessive over who doesn't know about the dtv transition, or who won't understand the television PSAs. The PSAs give out a phone number to call if someone doesn't understand the already extremely easy-to-understand explanation of the transition in the PSA. There's just no excuse - if someone is ignorant about the transition by now, either they must hardly use their television, or can't take the time to call the number from the PSA, and therefore the issue is not even an issue.
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Why so focused on groups? Just say "xxxx amount of Americans."
And work to fix it. I'm seeing it advertised everywhere.
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clubs: | I'm Asian I'm Asian
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who need that box that taking up spaces! | |
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join:2003-04-10
Tucker, GA | . dont live in "linguistically isolated households" their own damn faults. | |
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Franklin, KY | They will figure it out when the TV quits working. That's probably the way most people will figure it out. | |
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Please Clarify My CSP
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canada | Re: They will figure it out when the TV quits working. I cant wait to see this {I make tv work} YOU BE HOME Call 555-123-4561 you be home ok. 100 dolla ok | |
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Providence, RI | Aren't most of the converters made in China anyways? | |
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Please Clarify My CSP
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| Re: They will figure it out when the TV quits working. said by maxpower :Aren't most of the converters made in China anyways? Yes that was my point. | |
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | take down this thread please This entire thread is rife with insensitive and bigoted remarks. | |
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join:2003-07-17
Calgary, AB
| Re: take down this thread please who cares if "This entire thread is rife with insensitive and bigoted remarks."
The only issue at this point is you pushing the political correctness crap on us.
Are the comments out of line? maybe, for some, but not for others. I have my opinion, you have yours. Keep it to yourself. | |
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join:2006-10-09
Providence, RI
| said by inteller :This entire thread is rife with insensitive and bigoted remarks. Wahhhhhh. Stop reading it if you don't like it. It's a free country (unless you live in China) so feel free to read something else. | |
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join:2007-12-17
1 edit | "linguistically isolated households" If you want to immigrate to a country, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE!! This is why I'm thankful that Canada has legally recognized official languages, good luck getting a job and thus surviving here unless you speak either English of French. | |
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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join:2002-12-13
USA
1 edit | Re: "linguistically isolated households" said by beatsnpieces :If you want to immigrate to a country, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE!! This is why I'm thankful that Canada has legally recognized official languages, good luck getting a job and thus surviving here unless you speak either English of French. Unless it's LA or San Francisco, the population the OP is mentioning about (especially the elderly), do know English and can read and speak it even -- as it was required for so many years to learn. No naturalized Japanese-American that I know can't.
My mom may not be able to read "War and Peace", but she reads the newspaper and can watch regular TV, fine. This issue wouldn't even be a problem, as she has cable and her videos (same can be said of any Asian who wants to watch more native programming -- need a dish or cable outside NYC, LA or San Francisco anyway).
This article is a prime example of how one region is so out of touch with the rest of the country. If you harbor immigrants and don't make them learn the native language, you do them a disservice. They aren't children, and it's disgusting to see any interest group wanting them to remain their political pawns by keeping them deaf, dumb and blind. It reminds me of the old plantation way of keeping Blacks behind.
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