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Savannah, GA | Maybe we don't have things so bad. Jeez and people think the telephone companies here have a monopoly...
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jwsmiths4
Part Man, Part Mac
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Savannah, GA | Re: Maybe we don't have things so bad. APB on person using VOIP - All units authorized to use deadly force to stop this person from causing more damage to our communications infrastructure!  | |
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| AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Couldnt agree with you more. However we will continually fight for even greater freedoms. Basic freedoms in Belarus but even greater freedoms in the USA. So bad is a relative term. We ought to always strive for the best.  | |
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| Re: Maybe we don't have things so bad. ouch Belarus just got a bad rap for itself, wait till CNN gets a hold if it..LOL!! | |
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odog
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clubs: | radiation damage? not only are they highly contaminated by chernobyl...
but they don't understand technology.
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Zverina
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: radiation damage? STFU you dumb ameriKKKan trailer trash hick. Post your insults somewhere else. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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join:2001-10-05
West Chester, PA
| Re: radiation damage? Well technically it's not really an insult if it's true is it? They are contaminated, and they obviously do not understand technology.
So it brings to mind the question...is it an insult if it's true?
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Zverina
join:2004-07-12
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: radiation damage? I'm sure the world would see otherwise, but then again, you Americans think that you are the world. So why don't you do us all a favor, and mind your own business. Talking nonsense about radiation and Chernobyl; do you even know where Chernobyl is? Do you know where Iraq is? You only know where the nearest Kmart is; and apparently, that's all you dumbsh*ts are good for. Freedom doesn’t come cheap to people in other nations, and you take it for granted. You think people like being oppressed, being jailed for exercising their freedoms? Don't judge the world; because I have news for you, to everyone else, you are no better than Osama! | |
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fegul
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united state
| Dumb. Is it illegal in some countries to use a broadband line for phone services. It's almost like the Post Office losing money because a person setup a small e-mail server, and let people setup an account. I don't know the countries laws, or policies, but I am glad I live in a country that supports its enterpreneurs, and does not stifle them.
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
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| I think the part about misappropriation is the rea son that he is in Jail. VoIP was secondary.
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"Mafter is a United Nations Development Program expert. He was responsible for financing various programs, including information ones. Mafter has misappropriated some of the funds entrusted to him," Yerin said.
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Maggs
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clubs: | Re: I think the part about misappropriation is the You mean this guy lost money given to him. Come on, use a Swiss Bank account, buddy. Get with the program. | |
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Joshua
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Phoenix, AZ | Re: I think the part about misappropriation is the Germany's autobahn is a fake! They have speed limits, but really high ones. 130MPH is not a fake there.
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join:2003-05-17
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| Re: Germany's autobahn is a fake! Yes, there are speed limits.
But they are variable and time-of-day-dependant. Usually found near built up or residential areas to reduce road noise disruption.
There are also sections where there is no limit, whatever the time of day. 200mph+ is quite possible and only a problem when you meet some *beep* doing 80 in the outside lane!
. . . and yea, looks more to do with the funds going walkies! ! !
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Southfield, MI | Re: Germany's autobahn is a fake! Going 80? Grandma get out the way LOL | |
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Blasterbator
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Jackson, MS | United Nations?
Organized Corruption?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
say it isn't so!!!
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
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| What can I do to help Mafter? Reminds me of the Grand Cayman islands as well with regards to C+W having a full monopoly and they banned VOIP there too. I actually wrote a letter to the editor of a grand cayman paper on the issue and they posted it. I think it was in responce to an article in there, but I dont recall. I should google for it. I really should have done more on the issue though and I admire Ilya Mafter so much and if I can do anything to help him and his family and to fight Ill be there beside him. George Soros is a terrific man as well, no matter what you believe about his political leanings, he has done enourmous work with his organization.
Iilya Mafter Im sure did nothing wrong except to fight against existing laws that were unfair.
Free unfettered communications is a necessary component of all democracies. | |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
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| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? It appears that he also took money that was not his. Is that a component part of Democraticies? Do you still support his actions including the funds that were misappropriated?
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"Mafter is a United Nations Development Program expert. He was responsible for financing various programs, including information ones. Mafter has misappropriated some of the funds entrusted to him," Yerin said.
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| | AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? It appears that he also took money that was not his. Is that a component part of Democraticies? Do you still support his actions including the funds that were misappropriated?
Actually thats the problem here. Mafter was one which stuck up for freedom over corrupt governments. That was not PROVEN in a free democracy and he is innocent until proven guilty. And if he did misappropriate funds knowingly how is that even a violation? In the USA we would not allow voip to be killed no matter what. Standing up on principle in contrast to what you are allocated funds to IF its in the interests of the citizens.
I admire Mafter deeply and to what he is committed to. If you know about his background and do research into it, you will see this is a man devoted to free people.
Sorry but I disagree with your premise in allocation of funds. It really depends on if he indeed is PROVEN to be guilty of such with US Standards of law, unfortunately this is belarus and that could be a factor if they even convict him, but I dont know much about the legal system over there. In my opinion however, it sounds like the government has corrupt ties with the telco and Mafter is acting with morals and ethics to fight for such, of which he has devoted his whole life to free communications and the internet and everything like that. | |
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| | AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? International pressure will get him out of jail.
Here is what he was trying to do in the soviet union:
»www.isoc.org/HMP/PAPER/160/abst.html
Now if you believe that its not worth it to fight for freedom, then you would be in a rogue non democratic state like the ones where many of our ancestors came from before they become americans.
We fought long and hard for freedom. John McCain for example spent years in a POW camp for reasons of morality because he did not want to give the enemy a propaganda win and wanted so badly for his fellow troops to succeed.
Iilya Mafter has always fought for what is right and will continue to do so. He has never wound up in trouble with the law from his true homeland. Belarus yes because he was fighting against a corrupt regime for the changes outlined in the link I posted.
He to me is a true inspiration and someone I deeply admire. | |
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hailinfantry
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Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? said by AJ023  :
International pressure will get him out of jail.
Here is what he was trying to do in the soviet union:
»www.isoc.org/HMP/PAPER/160/abst.html
Now if you believe that its not worth it to fight for freedom, then you would be in a rogue non democratic state like the ones where many of our ancestors came from before they become americans.
We fought long and hard for freedom. John McCain for example spent years in a POW camp for reasons of morality because he did not want to give the enemy a propaganda win and wanted so badly for his fellow troops to succeed.
Iilya Mafter has always fought for what is right and will continue to do so. He has never wound up in trouble with the law from his true homeland. Belarus yes because he was fighting against a corrupt regime for the changes outlined in the link I posted.
He to me is a true inspiration and someone I deeply admire.
I can't imagine how you could lecture me on freedom fighting when I served this country in several major combat engagements as a Ranger officer. I served my country well in the infantry...I put my money where my mouth is...yet you keep talking. I wasn't captured, I was however wounded in the thigh by a .45 sidearm. I watched my comrades spill their vitality on the fields of battle. Sir, how dare you say something like that to me. Enjoy sitting behind your PC and your virtual soapbox while someone actually does something.
Don't tell me that I don't want to fight for or appreciate freedom. Freedom ain't free, I bloody paid for it! | |
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join:2002-06-25
Chicago, IL | Re: What can I do to help Mafter? Don't be so vain. This discussion is not about you and nobody is accusing you of anything. Get over yourself, OK. Article does not read "INSERT YOUR NAME HERE, is a hero". Got it!?! | |
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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Brooklyn, NY
| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? said by apsinkus :
Don't be so vain. This discussion is not about you and nobody is accusing you of anything. Get over yourself, OK. Article does not read "INSERT YOUR NAME HERE, is a hero". Got it!?!
Ah yes, but it does say "insert your name as a jackass"? | |
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join:2003-08-06
Media, PA
| If you read his post carefully, you would see that he's saying that IF you believe fighting for freedom isn't worth it, you would be in a rogue non-democratic state.
But since you're an American, you clearly believe that fighting for freedom IS worth it. He's not insulting you. He's praising you, and the American spirit.
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? said by Redmarauder:
LOL An American being lectured over semantics by another American, blind leading the blind anyone?
If we're blind, then the blind are leading the world.
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join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Re: What can I do to help Mafter? Im just going to ignore tomkcr. Im a moderate republican who supported John McCain last time, and I know damn well thank you very much that Soros is not interested in his personal fortune or taking advantage of the citizens. You should see the excellent work Soros did around the world to promote freedom. Soros also had a major impact especially in my community when he funded JetBlue which is based right here which is the most honest and ethically oriented airline in an industry often known as horrendous.
In terms of his work across the globe, he has literally helped many societies and I could go into great detail but thats not really relevant for purposes of this discussion. But see for yourself at his own website.
I find it offensive when people make comments just to stir up hatred. Now Soros is a democrat and theres no denying that and you can argue his policies. But to go and say soros is doing this for his own self interest, you are DEAD wrong.
Do I disagree with Soros and the principle of socialism, yes I do in some aspects. But to question someones character like that, well lets just say its often done too much these days in bad taste I may add on both sides of the isle. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Back in the old Bell System days.. When they came out with the touch-tone phones Ham Radio operators saw these same touch pad's could be used to control remote transmission sites. This was done and Bell Telephone landed on these hams like an anvil on Yosemite Sam in the cartoons.
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| Nothing new about price fixing So Belarus has a coummunications Gvt mandated Cartel? Nothing new. We have a Govt mandated prescription drug Cartel in America, where it is illegal for Insurance companies and providers to organise together for low prices like the rest of the world does. | |
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| RayW
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| Re: Nothing new about price fixing said by IanR :So Belarus has a coummunications Gvt mandated Cartel? Nothing new. We have a Govt mandated prescription drug Cartel in America, where it is illegal for Insurance companies and providers to organise together for low prices like the rest of the world does.
Slightly off topic, but I was just in Greece and picked up several of my 120 USD prescriptions for 12 EURO, without a doctor's note (an allergy nose spray). And except for the name on the label, it is exactly the same drug sold here (the drug companies claim it is inferior to what I buy here?).
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Aurora, CO | Re: Probably trying to undermine gov't for Soros group I guess most people are unaware of the history that Soros has in that part of the world.
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| AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| ACK! A bush cheney supporter trashing soros because a good man gets jail?
OSI is not about money, its about people and issues. If you are a democrat you support Soros politically, if you are a republican you dont. Thats fine. Even Bush however will side with me on this one. Bush is a man who deeply supports freedom. Maybe not soros politically on the issues HOWEVER he does indeed support freedom. Reminds me of when a wireless engineer got jail or was detained or something in russia. Same exact thing happening yet again and in that case both democrats and republicans were in support of his release. | |
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join:2002-06-06
Morrisville, PA
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October 19th, @06:36PM
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If the KGB was involved, Mafter was probably trying to undermine the government as part of Soros' Open Society Institute whose stated goals are to open up old eastern bloc countries to Soros' investment groups. The fraud charges are a way to stick it to him to stop his real hidden objectives.
»www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2···013.html
»www.soros.org/newsroom/news/mafter_20041019
»www.soros.org/about
Remember to always look BEHIND the headlines.
Yep, he's a part of the good old jewish cabal, too. | |
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join:2004-03-01
Macon, GA
| Anyone know if there was a law against VoIP before he was arrested? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he thought everything he was doing was within the law until they busted down his door. More then likely, the 'misappropriation' of funds was not misappropriation until the KGB stormed the place.
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@infonet.by | Re: Probably trying to undermine gov't for Soros group There were at least 2 criminal cases for VoIP in Bellarus in 2000-2002, people were charged for 2 years. I bet Mafter was pretty well informed about that. And his fellows from education ISP were pretty aware of that, too. | |
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sad girl
join:2004-12-18
New York, NY | just to clarify... This was a purely political action on the part of the Belarussian government as an attempt to intimidate Soros. And Soros is SPENDING money in the former Soviet Union rather than earning it, dumbasses! | |
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