Are We Acclimating To Spam?Porn down, phishing up, but we don’t care ( old news - 03:26PM Friday May 25 2007) tags: stats · spamTipped by cabana  Maybe the whole CAN SPAM thing doesn’t matter. I mean, does your spam really bother you? Not really, if you’re anything like those surveyed in this Pew/Internet research project. It found that, although spam is on the rise, users are less bothered by it than ever before, due in part to the fact that we use filters to get it out of our e-mail. Those who like their porn might be sad, though, because pornographic spam is decreasing “in favor of spam promoting drugs, bogus investments, and (of course) phishing schemes.”
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ColorBASIC
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA | Re: Follow the money Problem is a lot of the spammers are out of the country. | |
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nemo1966
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| I've always thought that ISP's should enforce users to login into their smtp mail server using a password. At present most dont. Also mail should only be sent from the legitimate account holders address. e.g If I'm on NTL Cable and my email address is myname@ntlworld.com I can easily send an email from yourname@ntlworld.com. Surely a simply check would stop this.
This would then stop people using hacked PCs to send spam emails as the ISP would pick up hundreds of errors from the account and contact the account holder.
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| hmmmm,,,,,, It doesn't bother me, but it is a big waste of resources, and my feeling is we end up "paying" for it in our isp charges etc. If it wasn't such a money maker, it would have gone the way of the dinosaur....and I feel the ISP's could make it go away if they really wanted to JMT
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GlennAllen
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| Which is why spammer says, "Can spam? yes, I can, yes, I can-can!"
Way to go Congress... another worthless law. And Pew's research stinks (sorry, had to say it)--the very concept of SPAM bothers me as much as ever. Personally, I've seen more of it in the past month or two than I have in all of the previous year. So, kudos to all involved...not.
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Ogden, UT | Spam wouldn't be a issue of it didn't have customers Well you can thank the idiots that click the links or sign up for spam related email..because if it weren't making any business spamming people there wouldn't be any. | |
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Riverbank, CA | Re: Spam wouldn't be a issue of it didn't have customers I must have clicked on it by accident.. I swear! | |
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LordMalak
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Brazil | Finally we're seeing the light! Geez, why did it take soooooooooo long for people to realize that "Delete" is all it takes to get rid of spam?? Honestly, I don't get a lot of spam (I used to, though), but it really isn't the apocalypse that most geeks made out to be. | |
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| Re: Finally we're seeing the light! said by LordMalak :Geez, why did it take soooooooooo long for people to realize that "Delete" is all it takes to get rid of spam?? Honestly, I don't get a lot of spam (I used to, though), but it really isn't the apocalypse that most geeks made out to be. If it weren't for my filters, I'd get 3K+ spams in my inbox each and every day.
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TamaraB
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| Duhhhhhh I get NO SPAM!For true! I have been on the "Internet" since it was the ARPANET; with the same email address rrichard@blythe.org. I get NO SPAM at all! I get all my real email, I get everything sent to me by "real" people; but I get absolutely no spam!
This is no magic, it's a simple technology available to anyone with a minor technological ability to manage their own computer system; I believe this is the case for almost everyone posting/reading this thread.
There is no excuse for anyone reading this, to be receiving SPAM. None!
Blocking/eliminating all spam is practically FREE, easy, and a no-brainer.
If you all want a brief introduction as to HOW, write me at the address above.
Bob
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TamaraB
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| Re: Duhhhhhh I get NO SPAM! said by 2kmaro :Wouldn't it be in the spirit of this website to provide a description of the process you use to not get SPAM? I pretty much did in an earlier post. The "key" is to use your work station as your personal inbound mail server. Today, with "always-on" connections, that's not a problem, nor is it difficulty.
This way, you have total control over what email you will allow into your Inbox, you can filter what is appropriate for your own personal needs, you can block, black-list, white-list..... etc. No one but you, can determine what is best in terms of email security. I do not tolerate any spam at all. I also will not tolerate missed "important" email (as defined by me). Email is "personal" and therefor it's control has to be "personalised".
Remember that most people don't have the luxury of actually controlling their own email server This is not a "luxury" these days. The facilities to do so are readily available. My DynDNS MX pointer costs $29.00/Year, my Domain costs $8.00/Year from GoDaddy. SMTP software is free. I use a pay outbound SMTP server instead of Verizon's SMTP server mainly because Verizon gets RBL listed often, and Verizon makes you lose the ability to control your From address (as does smtp.gmail.com; also FREE)
and don't want any added expense of signing up with some other service (besides their ISP) to receive email I understand. However the benefits of running your own email means that if you switch your ISP, you don't have to change your address. Your email address becomes independent of your ISP, and you have total control over spam, phishes, and viruses. The minimum cost is $37.00/Year; pretty cheap for what you get.
So in response to "do we care" ... On the other hand, yes I do because I have to pay an annual fee to keep a "SPAM free" inbox.
I care for entirely different reasons. I don't see $37.00/Year as any big deal, but I totally hate intrusive email spam, web spam, phone spam, fax spam, I find them terribly offensive. Of course, I come from the "old days" of the internet, where commercialization was illegal! I also can't tolerate web advertising, and have my graphical browsers shut down so tight that all I see is what I want to see, with NO ADS; mainly I use Lynx!
...the majority of traffic on the internet consists of SPAM emails ...
AND anoying Web adverts!
Yeah, we have become a nation of Ferengi!
Bob
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| | kpatz
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Manchester, NH | And by posting your email address in this thread, you're gonna start getting SPAM pretty soon. | |
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TamaraB
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| Re: Duhhhhhh I get NO SPAM! said by kpatz :And by posting your email address in this thread, you're gonna start getting SPAM pretty soon.
No I won't. I have been even posting it to usenet for years, and no problem. 
Bob
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n2jtx
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| said by TamaraB :This is no magic, it's a simple technology available to anyone with a minor technological ability to manage their own computer system; I believe this is the case for almost everyone posting/reading this thread. I manage my own email server running on a Linux box and I have managed to reduce my SPAM by about 99%. I use a combination of the open source applications procmail and spamprobe. I usually get about 400 or so SPAM messages in my special IMAP "Junk" folder over a 24 hour period.
Occasionally, a collection of SPAM will manage to get through due to SPAMmer technique changes but spamprobe usually adapts itself to it once I give it some of the trash to train on. I did use RBL for a while but I found many false positives with that route when relying on only one list. A better solution is the DeepSix (»www.deep6tech.com/) device that relies on multiple RBL's to generate a score.
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| Re: Duhhhhhh I get NO SPAM!said by n2jtx : I did use RBL for a while but I found many false positives with that route when relying on only one list.
I use RBLs with "delay_checks" which allows milters to have a go first. The two milters, which alone account for nearly 100% of the spam blocking is milter greylist, and milter-regex set up thus:
# reject things that look like they might come from a dynamic address
reject "Looks like an end-user address [rgx]"
connect /[0-9][0-9]*\-[0-9][0-9]*\-[0-9][0-9]*/ //
connect /[0-9][0-9]*\.[0-9][0-9]*\.[0-9][0-9]*/ //
connect /[0-9]{12}/e //
#
reject "Malformed HELO (not a domain, no dot)"
helo /\./n
#
reject "No RDNS [rgx]"
connect /\[.*\]/ //
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reject "Proaxad end-user SPAMMER [rgx]"
connect /.*\.fbx\..*/ //
#
reject "Verizon Dynamic IP"
connect /.*\.pub\.verizon\.net/ //
#
reject "Verizon Fios IP"
connect /.*\.fios\..*/ //
#
reject "Static End-User IP"
connect /.*\.static\..*/ //
connect /^static\-.*/ //
connect /^cpe\-.*/ //
connect /^CPE\-.*/ //
connect /^cpc\-.*/ //
connect /^pc\-.*/ //
connect /^port\-.*/ //
connect /.*\.shared\..*/ //
connect /.*\.rev\..*/ //
connect /.*\.ptr\..*/ //
#
reject "Dynamic pool"
connect /.*\.pool\..*/ //
connect /^pool\-.*/ //
connect /^port\-.*/ //
connect /.*\.pools\..*/ //
connect /.*\-POOL\-.*/ //
#
#
reject "End-User"
connect /^host\-.*/ //
#
reject "Dynamic Client"
connect /.*\.client\..*/ //
#
reject "Broadband"
connect /\.broadband\./ //
#
reject "VDSL"
connect /^VDSL.*/ //
#
reject "PPPOE"
connect /.*\.pppoe\..*/ //
connect /.*\.pppool\..*/ //
#
reject "Dynamic"
connect /.*\.dyn\..*/ //
connect /^dyn\-.*/ //
connect /\.dynamicIP\./ //
connect /.*\.dynamic\..*/ //
connect /.*\.xd\-dynamic\..*/ //
#
reject "Dialup"
connect /.*\.dip\..*/ //
connect /.*\.dip[0-9]\..*/ //
connect /.*\.dial\..*/ //
connect /.*\.dialup\..*/ //
#
reject "cust-adsl"
connect /.*\.cust\-adsl\..*/ //
#
reject "DHCP"
connect /.*\.dhcp\..*/ //
connect /.*\.adsl\-dhcp\..*/ //
#
reject "End-User"
connect /.*\.user\..*/ //
connect /^user\-.*/ //
connect /^softbank.*/ //
connect /.*\.intra\..*/ //
connect /.*\.numericable\..*/ //
connect /.*\.cablelink\..*/ //
#
reject "adsl"
connect /.*adsl.*/ //
connect /^adsl\-.*/ //
#
reject "dsl"
helo /.*dsl\..*/
#
reject "internetdsl"
connect /.*\.internetdsl\..*/ //
#
reject "PPP"
connect /.*ppp\-.*/ //
connect /^ppp\-.*/ //
#
reject "HSD1"
connect /.*\.hsd1\..*/ //
#
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reject "Cable"
connect /.*\.cable\..*/ //
#
reject "Road Runner"
connect /.*\.res\.rr\.com/ //
connect /.*\.biz\.rr\.com/ //
#
reject "PayPal Phish"
header /From/ /.*<service@paypal.com>.*/
#
The idea being that anything coming directly from an end-user IP is spam. The great part of this is that the connection is immediately dropped at connect-time.
So, inbound mail has to negotiate regex-filtering, then grey-listing, then it has to pass several RBLs, and finally spamassassin. I get literally NO spam at all, and only about 2-3 spams get caught by spamassassin each week.
I use dyndns pointing MX directly to my dynamic ADSL IP, and use a pay service for outbound mail; smarthosted via smptauth (panix.com, $100/year for basic shell/smtp). I have used the same email address since 1984!
Bob
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techjoe
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| Take off the rose tinted glasses... I maintain a couple of Barracuda spam filters, along with some smaller (aka less than 1000 user) spamassassin/etc handrolled setups, and have had the "pleasure" of evaluating near every offering under the sun at one time or another, and spam IS a problem. Users aren't too bothered, because either their ISP or work's IT dept does their job. At my day job we spend at least $3000/year fighting spam, after much steeper initial buyin of course. We drop at least 250,000 spam mails every day before it even gets into the same rack as the exchange servers. In fact, only about ~2% of all incoming mail is actually ever delivered. We have a totally raw unfiltered pipe of course, so the ISP is not doing anything to the mail before it hits the filters.
Point of the matter is, I don't think the average user today even knows how much spam they would get if not for filters. Filtering is not free, and if you think it is you really need to learn some things. Administration overhead, software maint, hardware maint, redundancy, bandwidth, etc all add up quickly.
"Back in the day" when every email addressed to you hit your mailbox the average Joe decided that spam was a Bad Thing.
Now that most of that spam is dropped by your host in one way or another it's not a problem to Joe Average.
Sorry, but I think this article even existing describes the sad state of the current computing affairs in itself.
I wonder how many of the folks surveyed would have also answered that popups don't bother them (I like to punch the monkey).... 
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| Skewed Survey If you think about it, the survey is probably skewed right from the start. The very people that are annoyed by SPAM likely wouldn't participate in a survey as the very methods by which they'd contact people for it would be some form of SPAM (actual SPAM by email, telemarketing, door to door, junk mail, street harassment). By it's very concept, a survey on whether spam is annoying is only going to be answered by those that don't mind it. | |
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| Dont get spam! *NO* email gets downloaded to my computers... so even *IF* spam were to get to my inbox... it still isn't on my computers.
Webmail FTW!
"Spam" gets filtered out fairly well at the various sites I use... and it is merely a click to go bye bye.
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EUS
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| Aleck79
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College Station, TX | I've got my email going thru gmail got 3 accounts and all of them I have going thru gmail.
i might get 1 spam message a day, from any one of those 3 accounts. everything else gets sent straight to my spam folder  | |
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Chicago, IL | Gmail Gmail inbox = 3 emails
Gmail Junk Mail = 500 emails
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Marina Del Rey, CA | Re: Gmail Did you check all 500 junk mails for anything that was not spam ?? | |
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| Re: Gmail said by LordBritish :Did you check all 500 junk mails for anything that was not spam ?? Yes but I check it several times a day so it usually doesn't actually get to 500. Just now I had 77 that had arrived in the last 3 hours. A quick glance at them and I could see no legit email so I click the delete all.
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join:2007-04-29 | Anyone with brains knows... You use a throw away addy for junk and never give your primary to anyone but people you know. I have done this forever and I rarely if ever get spam or scams in my inbox. | |
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Porn down, phishing up, but we don't care