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Council Bluffs, IA | Knowing Apple... A 42" Apple LCD HDTV with these will cost us $8,000 because "It's sleek and from Apple so its obviously the best" | |
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| Re: Knowing Apple... Teh Apple store has already become an exercise in window shopping for most of us. I don't get this given the current economic environment, except that it was in the pipeline long enough not to pull. And there's always people with a lot more money than the rest of us who don't have a lot of money.
I'll wait and see what's what - just like with the new laptops coming next week.
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| Re: Knowing Apple... I've purchased one from the store (mini). I purchased my c2d macbook from a local dealer, brand new in the box, for the same price as the store but with a 1gig stick of ram added in to seal the deal (1.25 total after I installed it).
All my other macs I purchased second hand. You find some great deals being a MUG member 
Oh, add 2 iPods from the store ...
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Schererville, IN | This is dumb. An external box the provides any tv with these capabilities with a universal remote that controls both devices seamlessly would be really cheap and could actually gain a market if it was a good service. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Knowing Apple... Same could be said for any feature in the TV, whether it's cablecard, ATSC tuner, etc. | |
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| Re: Knowing Apple... while a little of this could be good, I think overall it is bad for the consumer... as it is, right now, there is a healthy supply of HD content, Verizon is offering over 100 HD channels and it won't be long before the cable companies catch up. My feeling is, internet video, fine for the internet but I say, except for an occasional exception, "get off my TV". The problem is, unlike previous providers, now you may have different companies with different approaches vying for your television and in the end, I can see, mix and match capatibility, rising costs or poorer packages for cable tv since, maybe, less will order it. NetTV (if you want to call it that) either being good, not so good or downright awful, companies changing their minds and leaving us in the lurch and cable tv providers not wanting to take another chance to offer what they do now case of our initial change of mind should it happen.
message to apple.. message to providers.. I want my triplay, I won't move away from cable, ok i might try this if I could afford the tv but I know a good thing when I see it. My thank you for fast internet, a grand choice of HD channels & reliable phone service for around $100; im signed on, this apple thing is just icing on the cake. | |
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| Re: Knowing Apple... Apple would never do that because there's no guarantee of any revenue from someone buying the TV. With cell phones you get discounted handsets because you're forced to subscribe for x number of years. There's a guarantee that the cell carriers will make the money back. With this TV if they discounted it then there'd be absolutely no guarantee of getting any money back. | |
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| Re: Knowing Apple... said by yabos  :Apple would never do that because there's no guarantee of any revenue from someone buying the TV. With cell phones you get discounted handsets because you're forced to subscribe for x number of years. There's a guarantee that the cell carriers will make the money back. With this TV if they discounted it then there'd be absolutely no guarantee of getting any money back. I said iPod not iPhone. | |
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| said by Jonbo298 :A 42" Apple LCD HDTV with these will cost us $8,000 because "It's sleek and from Apple so its obviously the best" ABSOLUTELY!!
So, when that TV comes out, it'll have iTunes funcitonality, 1080P picture quality, HDTV hookups, low power consumption, Over the Air antenna, optional built-in DVR ($200 extra only available through apple)...
and then you'll realize, you need a power cord. lol!
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| Re: nope said by SteveLV702 :no it wont cost more then if it was from any other company... It's going to cost more than a regular HD TV since it's got a bunch of stuff built in. As far as costing 8k I doubt that as in that case its more practical to buy a better tv and just get an Apple TV to plug into it.
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| Re: nope said by Ricky Smith :said by SteveLV702 :no it wont cost more then if it was from any other company... It's going to cost more than a regular HD TV since it's got a bunch of stuff built in. As far as costing 8k I doubt that as in that case its more practical to buy a better tv and just get an Apple TV to plug into it. well yes its going to cost more cause gots all those addons buts not gonna costs more just because its made by Apple over Samsung or Panasonic. | |
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| Re: nope That's a terribly ignorant comment...and very "matter of fact" for something that is still pure speculation.
Let's move on to FACTS: Look at apple's GM vs Panasonic's and Samsung's. Apple is used to making MUCH higher margins than those that exist in the HDTV space. Don't you think Wall Street would have a FIT if they shrink margins.
Look at PC's...much higher margins than their competitors...and much higher retail prices to go along with it. | |
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| Re: nope I think the real issue is that Apple wants to become a big mover and shaker in VOD and PPV, the way they have with Music and iTunes.
The cost of the TV's isn't the big deal, they are thinking of the profits from everyone pulling down movies and video from iTunes.
Basically, it's like the Video games model. Sell the console for relatively cheap, but make $$$ on the backend with the content.
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Hilliard, OH | Re: nope The comment is ignorant because you (and I) have absolutely no idea how much these sets will cost. With no information available on the cost, any statement regarding the cost is "ignorant".
I'd like to see the PC link you mention. | |
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| Re: nope said by Frank :given the fact that apple cinema displays cost significantly more than comparable lcd monitors as a comparable trend. Can you please show me a single display that costs the same, or less than an Apple Cinema Display? I'm going to assume you do know the meaning of 'comparable', as you used it several times in your statement.
Also, please use MSRP prices. I don't care how much you can buy a (heavily depreciated) one for on ebay. For reference, the MSRP for the Cinema Displays are listed below.
20" $599
23" $899
30" $1799
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| Re: nope 20" Apple ($594): »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···24110001
20" Samsung ($330):
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···24001282
Pluses for Apple 20":
Better viewing angle
2 Firewire ports
A bit smaller in overall size
Pluses for Samsung:
Better contract ratio
Better refresh (assuming the 5ms should be 10ms total)
Lower power consumption
Built in TV tuner
HDMI connector
3-year warranty
3W speakers (maybe)
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| Re: nope I was hoping for a response from Frank , but here goes anyway I guess.
Wait... comparable... in what way, exactly?
You can't possibly be serious, suggesting a Twisted Nematic panel is even remotely comparable to an Apple Cinema Display.
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| said by BloodRoses :I was hoping for a response from Frank , but here goes anyway I guess. Wait... comparable... in what way, exactly? You can't possibly be serious, suggesting a Twisted Nematic panel is even remotely comparable to an Apple Cinema Display. Prety much what I expected.
Obviously, you'll never agree anything is "comparable" to Apple, since you think Apple is the best and will make any excuse to prove it.
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| Re: nope I'm delusional because I think LG's IPS technology is superior to TN? A technology that IPS was originally designed to improve upon TN's inherent weaknesses? I think you're misinformed, or rather, uninformed.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_film_···play#IPS
Do your research next time, before making false accusations.
and for your information, my displays are Dell, not Apple. I never said Apples displays were "the best", my point to prove was that the price is in line with the manufacturing, material, and component costs and are not in any way "overpriced".
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Hilliard, OH | microcenter.com
dell 30", $1399
Gateway 30", $1599
Gateway, Dell, Acer, Viewsonic, Samsung 24" - range from 299 to 499 | |
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| Re: nope The Dell's MSRP is $1999.
The Planar's MSRP is $899.
Don't forget that the Apple Cinema Display is cut from a single piece of aluminium, also.
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| Re: nope you are forgetting about costs, which drive the margins that apple will not be able to compete with.
For Example:
the dell has a dealer cost of just over $1100
the apple has a dealer cost of just over $1600
While the apple is made out of aluminum, the Dell has a few tricks up it's sleeve as well. Apple's dealer cost is nearly 50% higher than the Dell... | |
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New York, NY
| Pipe Providers Don't forget the pipe providers (TWC,AT&T,Comcast,Verizon,Cablevision,etc) are all going to go completely bananas just like with voip, itunes, anything that they feel is going down the pipes they own. Apple will never get this off the ground. I just can't see TWC letting me watch for free tv on my computer when they sell cable tv. | |
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| Re: Pipe Providers said by rit56 :Don't forget the pipe providers (TWC,AT&T,Comcast,Verizon,Cablevision,etc) are all going to go completely bananas just like with voip, itunes, anything that they feel is going down the pipes they own. Apple will never get this off the ground. I just can't see TWC letting me watch for free tv on my computer when they sell cable tv. Bill-by-byte would solve any issues for TWC and other cable companies.
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| Re: Pipe Providers said by TK Junk Mail :Bill-by-byte would solve any issues for TWC and other cable companies. And you know this how? Please explain how bill by the byte will solve the problems of channels like ESPN raising their rates every year? How will bill by the byte solve the increasing costs of content across the board?
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by rit56 :Don't forget the pipe providers (TWC,AT&T,Comcast,Verizon,Cablevision,etc) are all going to go completely bananas just like with voip, itunes, anything that they feel is going down the pipes they own. Apple will never get this off the ground. I just can't see TWC letting me watch for free tv on my computer when they sell cable tv. Bill-by-byte would solve any issues for TWC and other cable companies. No proper net neutrality would solve this. But we have a better chance of Tinker Bell waving a magic wand on the stock market now. | |
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| Re: This could be cool said by Matt :This could be interesting. Although the selection of HD movies right now in iTunes is awful, (are there any other than podcasts?) I expect that to get much better. Not without a subscription plan. It's ridiculous to buy the Apple TV and then pay for every movie and tv episode. | |
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| Re: This could be cool said by mlerner :said by Matt :This could be interesting. Although the selection of HD movies right now in iTunes is awful, (are there any other than podcasts?) I expect that to get much better. Not without a subscription plan. It's ridiculous to buy the Apple TV and then pay for every movie and tv episode. They are supposedly offering rentals soon, much like VoD with cable.
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| Knowing the cable cos they will find a way to mess this up.. Knowing the cable cos they will find a way to mess this up..
Like forcing apple to let there software, UI, guide and more run on the box / tv.
Making you pay $3 - $4+ /m for a $50 card.
POS software that crashes the box from time to time.
Bad firmware updates that the cable co forces out that mess up your tv / box.
Lock down that does not let DVR shows be Networked to other boxes / tvs.
Only supporting 3rd party dvr's that are on a list that they control like they do with people who want to use there own cable modem.
Lack of care for the system like they have with there cable card system.
Shows and other stuff that will only work on a cable co box.
and that is just from the cable co side.
Apple will also have to go up with TIVO.
How will apple get people on u-verse, dish, and Direct TV???
Direct TV is going with TIVO.
APPLE will need a E-sata port on this and / or a easy to replace hd that people can put a bigger one as well. | |
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| Re: Knowing the cable cos they will find a way to mess this up.. They don't need to get fancy to screw this up.
All they have to do is CAP your broadband and put in overage charges.
That would do more to nuke this idea in it's infancy then anything else--- which is EXACTLY the point.
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| Re: Knowing the cable cos they will find a way to mess this up.. Bottom line, I would think no matter what combination of services we order, we are paying for a line from the telcom/cable company and how they choose to price their services in the future probably depends on what we choose.
If I put apples, oranges and bananas out for people to eat unlimited for $100/mo and most start eating the bananas, guess what, im going to move more of the cost to the bananas. | |
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| Re: This would be awesome I already have an AppleTV in my living room, I was considering picking up a second one off of eBay around XMas for the bedroom, but if Apple came out with an all-in-one LCD TV/TV then I'd probably give my bedroom LCD to my mother and just buy the Apple TV for my bedroom instead. In ever use the built-in DVD player on that bedroom TV which was the whole reason I bought that model in the first place. | |
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| It's obviously why apple stock is getting whipped so bad. Ideas like this are simply stupid. A $5 HDMI cable and my HDTV is my PC monitor running at 1080p resolution. They simply market these things to the technically challenged, and they are doomed from the start to be just as obsolete as all the webtv boxes that are now in the trash dumps.
Dont be a sucker, if you want a broadband experience on your HDTV, do it the right way and hook a broadband connected computer to it. I am typing this post on one, a 47" LCD HDTV hooked to a PC via HDMI, and I can play Crysis Warhead at full enthusiast specs on it if I want. Try that with one of these stupid apple hardware jokes. | |
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