  MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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kudos:17 | Re: Innovation? Apple is out of control.
This is just stupid.
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| | MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: Innovation? said by HiVolt:Apple is out of control. Amongst too many others. | |
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Palm Coast, FL | These lawsuits are ridiculous.. What happened to just making a product that was better than another?
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kudos:5 |  Should fight it out in marketplace; not courts
»news.yahoo.com/apple-launches-le···318.html
Apple and Samsung are waging more than 20 legal fights in at least 10 countries in their war for global leadership of smartphone and tablet markets.
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kudos:4 | Re: Should fight it out in marketplace; not courts Seriously. This is the one and only post by this guy that I've ever agreed with. I think I need a drink.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | That would make sense though!
But as long as software patents are allowed to exist we will have crap like this. because slide to unlock is just such a product defining innovation.
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|  jhboricuaExMod 2000-01
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Minneapolis, MN | said by Linklist:Instead of in the courts they should just be fighting this out in the marketplace. Agreed. Apple however, started this absurd patent offensive against Samsung precisely because how fast they were losing market share against Android devices. Samsung was simply forced to fight back. Notice Microsoft is doing the same thing against Android device makers. One can only hope that this will introduce some sort of patent reform, but that's a pipe dream.
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Many of the patents at the heart of these competition blocking measures should NEVER have been granted in the first place.
Just because you take someone else's idea, invention, patent, and then add ".... to a portable electronic device" on the end doesn't mean you deserve the patent!
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Once-upon-a-time, not long ago, I urged my wife to use an Apple desktop or laptop, rather than a Windows box. No more. I don't like having Windows in the house, but Apple's entirely off the table. Nor will any phones or tablets either of us buy be Apple products. In conversation, when Apple or its products come up, I express distaste. | |
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| | | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... I agree apple is a shit company anyway... you will not see me with any of their products in my house. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... said by Aria :I agree apple is a shit company anyway... Really? Its market cap begs to differ since it is now the most valuable company in the world measured on that basis. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... There's a reason for that. It's called marketing and suing the hell out of the competition. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... I don't know that the lawsuits have done much to add to the market cap, but Apple is definitely a marketing genius. | |
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... said by openbox9:... but Apple is definitely a marketing genius.
No, that just means there are more gullible customers who buy their products. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... Perhaps you don't understand the intent of marketing? | |
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| | | | | | said by Simba7:There's a reason for that. It's called marketing and suing the hell out of the competition.
No, it's called making a better product than your competitor. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Since the USPTO won't do it... said by fifty nine:No, it's called making a better product than your competitor. BULLSH*T and everyone here knows it.
You are a prime example of an Apple Fanboi. Does Apple have you brainwashed with all their products that "they designed" and didn't "copy from others"?
I'm surprised they didn't get sued by The Roddenberry Foundation for copying his ideas, not to mention a handful of movies that have devices that function like an iPad.
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I prefer the iphone 4 and 4s. The droids software is better, but also buggy as hell. I got tired of crashes and whatnot.
Although I hate the icons that go from the left to the right...  Going from android to ios is like going from xbox 360 to snes.. | |
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Torrance, CA | Too many faboyz and girlz drinking the kool aide
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Personally I would love to know where Crapple gets off comparing there "Slide to Unlock" feature to the one on the Nexus (Which is part of the OS and as such Google not Samsung), there is no comparison, a Circle is not a slider, and the Circle unlocker on the Nexus also lets you take pictures while the one in iOS is nothing more then a 1 function left to right slider that only does unlock.
The same thing can be said about Siri, there is NOTHING like Siri in the OS that comes with the Nexus and what is there has been around LONG before Siri even came into existence and is part of previous Android OS's.
I just hope that this case gets a competent judge who throws this case out and fines Crapple a shitload of money so they learn a lesson, anything less and this crap will just continue to go on hurting the consumers at the expense of innovation. | |
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Just a quick note, tap the button twice when going to unlock, it'll bring up quick controls for the audio and a camera button.
That being said, I won't be buying any more apple stuff and am trying to time a short sell on their stock. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Philosophy... If you want to know why Apple is just blatantly greedy, you need look no further than Steve Jobs. As a contrast, look at Bill Gates. Gates has given over a BILLION dollars to charity to fight AIDS and other diseases around the world, to ease the suffering of millions of people. What did Jobs want to spend his money on? He was quoted saying he would, if needed, spend every penny Apple had (at that time they had about $40billion in the bank) to see Android buried. Steve Jobs was a megalomaniacal genius, not a nice guy. Apple continues that philosophy.
I hope they get laughed out of court on this one.
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kudos:2 | Re: Philosophy... Don't conflate personal and corporate monies. Gates is more openly philanthropic and Apple has been horribly misusing its capital, but I don't believe you can easily conclude greed based on any of this. | |
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kudos:9 | Re: Philosophy... Partially true, Jobs personally did not give gave any kind of significant donation to charity. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Philosophy... Openly, at least that the public is aware of, that appears to be correct. That doesn't change the personal/corporate greed conclusion. | |
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it's got an engine hook up to my tranny ,than it moves 4 weeks.
r gorverments going to ban my toyota??? or i should just sell my house n borrow money from anyone i can, to buy a lambo or Farreri? i don want to ride on horse .. please advise me. | |
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South Bend, IN | Patent Shmatent THIS is why we can't move forward. Anybody have a bag of sand and a couple 2 by x4's. Might need some rope to restrain Los Federales. | |
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| | Pointless. 1. Sue every new android smartphone that comes out.
2. Get hit with an antitrust lawsuit like Microsoft did in the 90s (It's coming soon)
3. ????????
4. Profit...??? | |
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| Apple seeks to revolutionize Patent Trolling Maybe Apple is just trying to bring Patent Trolling to the common people.
This is all part of the development for a device that would - one day - turn us all into Patent Trolls.
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Careful. Hey if you can't beat them sue them!!! Apple has been losing tons of business to that little bot and they are pissed | |
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| Time to buy a Galaxy Nexus Apparently the Galaxy Nexus must be a real great phone. Or else Apple wouldn't be pulling this stunt.
Way back when Married with Children first aired, I never watched the show. Then a group went public to boycott married with Children. So of course I had to tune in to see why.
and I watched it loyally for it's entire run. Now it's looking like I just might have to try this phone out. As it seems to have Apple "afraid".
Like how I heard about linux, and decided to try it. As Microsoft seems to really think highly of it's windows platforms. By highly I mean $$$ they charge. So now I can live without windows, just fine.
Question is this: If I do buy the phone, and Apple manages to buy enough government/court types and get the phone banned, I'll still be able to use the phone until it breaks?
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kudos:1 | ROFL Android phones have had three of those features for years.
Skype for PC has made numbers clickable for even longer probably.
Slide to unlock, really? That's worse than the 'buy it now' button.
Everyone who has filed patents for real technical innovations should find this insulting. The average person basing their perception on these frivolous cases probably thinks the patent office should be burned to the ground, and even though I've got my name on a few it's hard to disagree with them. | |
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| From an Apple Fanboy My current phone is the iPhone 4 on Verizon. I like the iPhone for its ease of use and it doubles as an iPod. Plus, it's easy to sync with my MacBook Pro. I had an Android device when I had AT&T but quickly went back to iPhone.
I can see the merit of Apple's claim as Android devices are very similar in look and feel of iOS.
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| | | Re: From an Apple Fanboy said by IowaCowboy:I can see the merit of Apple's claim as Android devices are very similar in look and feel of iOS. You don't know much about patents. It has to be "not obvious", and cannot be shown in prior art by others. As such, Apple's "look and feel" are most certainly not patentable.
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| nothing new.. might as well re-new the age old lawsuits against Microsoft for patent violations as well.. Remember those?
Obviously this is put to hardware makers, but I can't see how patent violations can be won if the tablet runs a completely different operating system (and has at least ONE significant hardware change in it's specifications). Maybe apple could have a word in edgewise if Samsung blatently promoted running IOS (hacked and unsupported) on it's tablets-- but that's not what's happening here, so APPLE need to tuck their lawyers between their tails before a court fines them for filing frivolous lawsuits, because that's what I would do if I were the judge besides use the filing application for toilet paper! | |
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| More fun from Apple... Add this into the mix... 
Apple orders PC builder to 'choose sides' in laptop battle?
Build ASUS Zenbook or MacBook Air – not both
»www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/0···ressure/
Oh, and far as phones go, I bet they are gonna shat themselves over this phone:
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Chinese telecom giant Huawei has unveiled a pair of high-end Android smartphones, including one that it dubs "the world's slimmest smartphone" – and at a mere 6.68mm, it's a skinny li'l fellow, indeed.
The Huawei Ascend P1 S, like its 7.69mm sibling, the Ascend P1, runs Android 4.0, aka Ice Cream Sandwich. Both are powered by a dual-core Texas Instruments OMAP 4460 Cortex-A9 processor running at 1.5GHz, joined by an SGX 540 graphics engine.
»www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/09···_ascend/
Now that is a sexy phone. 
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kudos:1 | Re: More fun from Apple... That is one of many in a never-ending surge of sexy Android phones which is why Apple is going after the Android OS itself here.
You don't need all these choices you need Apple, because they are the only ones who can do amazing things like touching a screen to unlock and dialing a number. | |
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| Re: More fun from Apple... Yeah, but I don't see how they can take on the Chinese.
1. China doesn't give a crap what we think as long as we buy their stuff.
2. Apple's products are made in China too.
So, China gets to make Android "I-phone" killers up the wazzo, meanwhile Foxconn and other Chinese operations get to make Apple gear.
Hmm....
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kudos:22 | Protect it or lose it These ludicrous legal fights may have more to do with the need for a company to protect its patents than to try to hurt the others.
If a company does not protect its own patents and lets others steal the ideas, i sets a precedent which makes it OK for anyone to use the ideas.
At the end of the day, the problem starts when the patent office accepts silly ideas such as sliding finger on a screen as a patentable idea. | |
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