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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by gdm :Who said? I contacted my ATT rep and the area bosses are in a meeting. She will know once they come out. If they don't let current 3G users upgrade to me that's a very bad move and loss of $$. At that point Verizon would be an option for me. That is SOP for all wireless carriers. Verizon used to let you if you signed a new contract, but even stopped that practice. | |
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by gdm :Not true. Last year 2G iPhone users could upgrade to 3G no matter where you were in the contract. That was a single instance, not the standard operating procedure. Even right now, you can't upgrade any AT&T (or Verizon, or Sprint) phone if you are in a contract without paying full price. The general consensus was AT&T/Apple offered it on the 1G iPhone because there were a lot of outraged users. | |
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by gdm :Correct. I never said it was the norm for AT&T or any other carriers. I honestly think if they don't it will hurt them in the long run. I don't think in this case it will. I wouldn't pay $199 to upgrade my 3G right now. I don't see the value in the 3GS over my 3G and I've read a lot of folks who feel the same way. Of course there will be a contingent who HAVE to have it, but by-and-large, I don't think the upgrade is as compelling as the 1G to 3G iPhone upgrade was.
Sure, the new features are nice, but the 3GS itself, minus the 3.0 software, boils down to 4 "upgrades." The new camera, a compass, HSDPA 7.2Mbps, and a faster processor. None of which are as compelling at the EDGE to 3G upgrade.
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by gdm :said by djrobx :Control by voice appears to be a 3GS-only feature too. Which I don't understand why since that really should just be a software update. Something else with the hardware allows that. I agree with you here. Google's application is 100% voice controlled and works VERY well. There is no reason the regular iPhone can't do that. | |
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| said by gdm :Who said? I contacted my ATT rep and the area bosses are in a meeting. She will know once they come out. If they don't let current 3G users upgrade to me that's a very bad move and loss of $$. At that point Verizon would be an option for me. It's in this thread.
It's on Apple's site, as well. Go through their "reserve an iPhone" deal and it'll tell you when you can get one for $199/$299.
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by Cjaiceman :Which I have had all of these for a while on my Windows Mobile phone, and I don't have to jailbreak anything to tether, and no tether package needed. iPhone is full of FAIL  Wrong. It's AT&T fail. The iphone will support tethering in 3.0, AT&T doesn't want them to.
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| said by Cjaiceman :Which I have had all of these for a while on my Windows Mobile phone, and I don't have to jailbreak anything to tether, and no tether package needed. iPhone is full of FAIL I have had both a WinMo 5 and WinMo 6.1 phone. Tethering aside, WinMo is pretty terrible. | |
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| Which happens automatically with my Android phone, courtesy of an app I run. Take a pic or video and right after it's been taken it will upload to Picasa, Youtube, Facebook, Flickr etc. Or I can send a pic or video via GMail, MMS or Twitter. And no jailbreak is needed, because the phone is quite extensible out of the box. | |
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by rmdir :Which happens automatically with my Android phone, courtesy of an app I run. Take a pic or video and right after it's been taken it will upload to Picasa, Youtube, Facebook, Flickr etc. Or I can send a pic or video via GMail, MMS or Twitter. And no jailbreak is needed, because the phone is quite extensible out of the box. There are a myriad of apps that do this in the iPhone's App Store. | |
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| Yes, you can tether, without a tether plan, but thats still against the policy, whether you like it or not, they have seperate plans for tether and normal use, just because you can use media net for tether does not mean you should. A while back ATT started getting nasty when they caught people doing that, and implemented filters in some places so media net was limited to only port 80 and the mail ports...
For the record, I tethered my iphone months ago when I was in South Africa (I bought prepaid data and phone service while I was there), but then again I had to jailbreak my phone to do it. Not the ideal situation, but it worked. | |
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... said by CrzyCrakr :Without a flash...it is just pointless. To be fair, the flash on most cell phones are worthless. | |
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| Re: Autofocus camera is nice... I have to disagree on that. For a cell phone camera they are adequate. You wouldn't use it for a professional photo shoot but a few quick shots of you and your friends goofing around at your place they are fine. I still don't think that is any excuse not to have one at all though. | |
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| Re: As expected, nothing revolutionary said by jhboricua :And AT&T is still the weakest link. So this is what the apple crowd though was gonna kill the Palm Pre buzz? Really? Oddly enough, I've heard/read more about the WWDC than the Pre. Aside from Karl's morning article, I haven't heard a single thing about the Pre today. However, all the other (non-Apple) sites I visit have front page stories about WWDC, so I'd say if it didn't "kill" the Pre buzz, it definitely left it mortally wounded. | |
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The point I was trying to make was that the apple crowd kept stating how the new features of the iPhone GS were going to make the Pre pretty much obsolete right away. Finally adding MMS? whoopi do!!! Oh wait, AT&T is not ready for it.
Tethering? Cool. Oh wait, AT&T is also not ready for it.
Video capture? Great, more idiotic videos from teenagers getting posted online. :|
All in all, this new iPhone doesn't bring anything revolutionary to the field. Even if they had added true multitasking for applications it would have been an improvement.
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| pricing just announced for 3Gs $199 16GB, $299 for 32GB, $99 for 8GB 3G...w/contract.
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join:2003-01-08
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| iPhone... I will call and ask, when the phone is released, how much i will have to pay to upgrade. I do not want to upgrade, i got my iPhone for free, I am satisfied with it, updates after you buy is a part of being an apple customer.
One thing i am pissed about, is the MMS mess. How on the mother****ing earth did att expect to compete with sprint with this huge delay? I'm not saying the pre is a good device, i'm just saying the people who buy the hype built up around it, will not wait all summer for mms when they can have it now.
I think we need to put things in perspective here. 3.0 software available 2 days before the new iphone comes standard with its updated functionality. If i could get a free upgrade to the new iphone, i'd go for it, otherwise no thanks.
I need to run to the bank reallly quick, but i will say that this is a good deal for people who were waiting for apple's move vs the pre, and when i can get a free upgrade to the new phone, i will do so, knowing that it may be updated again 2 weeks after i get it.
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| Re: iPhone... It seems to me that there is very little about the 3gs that would justify spending $ on an upgrade, especially if you got your phone for free. Slightly faster processor, slightly better camera, and somewhat better battery life don't add up to much, really. The only other major improvement, 7.2 HSPA capability, is probably irrelevant because ATTM has very little 7.2 deployment area, and even where they do they seem to be bottlenecked by backhaul/capacity issues to far below even their current theoretical max of 3.6. | |
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| Re: iPhone... Yea, true, like i said, it's all part of the process when dealing with apple. They have a refresh cycle, roughly a year, sometimes less, and you buy knowing that in a month your ipod could look like a 8 track player.
I'm going to get it at 18 months though, when i'm eligible for a discount/free. Who knows what will be out then. Maybe i'll end up with the phone after the 3Gs.
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| Well, ATT's network capability, or lack there of on the 7.2 HSPA front is irrelevant to Apple. The phone is not just for ATT, but for carriers world wide, many of which do support 7.2. It is cheaper for apple to make 1 device hardware wise that supports the the max specs of the carriers they are providing to, as long as the max spec is backwards compatible, which it is.
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| Re: iPhone... said by jvanbrecht :
Well, ATT's network capability, or lack there of on the 7.2 HSPA front is irrelevant to Apple.
And your post is irrelevant to this thread, in which the OP was pondering whether it would be worth it for him to upgrade his 3g for use on ATTM (an assumption I made from his listed location and the general tenor of his comments).
Unless my assumption that he is on ATTM is incorrect, the ability of the device to make use of 7.2 HSPA on ATTM's network certainly would be a factor is his determining whether it would be worth it for him to upgrade. | |
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| A disgusting attempt at a Cash Grab iPhone 3G S = Epic Fail
3 new features, (Video Recording, Voice Calling, Compass) in the 3G S .. but at least two of those features could of been in the 3G i'll let the imaginative folks figure that out. Also $99 for the 8GB 3G on a contract is total BS, because there is not enough of an incentive to go elsewhere. A speed increase being touted is of no use without real specs, what hardware was changed? CPU, RAM, ROM? I think they still may be the same, just software optimizations. Battery life is quite atrocious, just like the 3G and HSPA 7.2Mbps won't even be rolled out on AT&T until 2010.
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| Re: A disgusting attempt at a Cash Grab said by Omr :iPhone 3G S = Epic Fail 3 new features, (Video Recording, Voice Calling, Compass) in the 3G S .. but at least two of those features could of been in the 3G i'll let the imaginative folks figure that out. Also $99 for the 8GB 3G on a contract is total BS, because there is not enough of an incentive to go elsewhere. A speed increase being touted is of no use without real specs, what hardware was changed? CPU, RAM, ROM? I think they still may be the same, just software optimizations. Battery life is quite atrocious, just like the 3G and HSPA 7.2Mbps won't even be rolled out on AT&T until 2010. I hope people can see this for what it is, a cash grab amidst a recession how irresponsible of this lame ass company. I agree, all of these "new features" should have and could have been on earlier version.s This is just Apple's way of holding back technology to get more people to have to purchase multiple phones.
I have a Tilt and installed the Diamond'esq software on it and it does most of the functions that the iPhone does plus more - and I am not forced to use Apple apps, etc - I just customize on my own.
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I agree, all of these "new features" should have and could have been on earlier version.s This is just Apple's way of holding back technology to get more people to have to purchase multiple phones.
While what you say seems obvious on its face to me, it seems just as obvious to me that this has been Apple's modus operandi for years with most of their product lines (occasionally introduce a truly exceptional product, then milk it through several minor improvement cycles for all it's worth), and it has been very successful for them.
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| Why not? Why doesnt the iphone have mms or tethering. Every other att phone has it. I tether my blackjack, tilt, and now my fuze just fine. Speed is always great in my area never had a problem. I have had mms since i dont even know when. Do they think adding tethering will make that big of a difference. And since its not jail broke People will have to pay for the tether as i doubt it has a hack like the reg hacks that winmo phones do to enable tether. | |
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| Apple's original "GS" Funny, the iPhone "GS", when it was Jobs that killed Apple's original GS in order to bolster the Mac's position.
Had the IIGS been given the proper attention and development it needed to stay competitive, the II line would probably still be around in one form or another to this day.
But nooooo, ol' Stevie boy just loved his Mac's. Sorry Steve, mI never ever ever will forgive you for letting the Apple II wither on the vine....
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When I plugged in my information on the apple website to upgrade it told me it would cost $599.99 to upgrade to the 16GB 3GS and $699.99 for the 32GB 3GS or I could wait until 7/10 for the bigger discount.
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| Re: ATT's voice plan go up? Weird. My 450 individual plan was 48 bucks a month. Had it since i can't remember when till i upgraded to iPhone. We now have a 2 line family 550, plus 2 iphone plans and plus unltd text it will be about 135-140 a month. Apple site may have it wrong. Check att site.
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| said by PhoenixDown :I have a 1st gen iphone $39.99 - 450 anytime minutes $20.00 - iphone data plan $10.00 - 1500 text messages Checked the apple website and they have it as $45.00 - 450 anytime minutes $30.00 - iphone data plan $15.00 - 1500 text messages ... I knew the data plan would be higher but not the voice. Weird. Down here it's $39.99 for the 450 plan and $30 for the iphone data plan.. $69.99/mo. total.
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