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(old news - 07:19PM Tuesday Sep 12 2006)
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Engadget has complete coverage of the Apple announcements made today, which include a price-cut on the high-end iPods, game downloads for iPods, a new iPod shuffle and Nano design, and other tidbits like the fact they've bumped up video downloads to 640x480. As expected, Apple unveiled movie downloads at "nearly DVD resolution". Films are $12.99 if you pre-order them or buy them during the first week, and then $14.99 after that. Older titles will be available for $9.99. Steve Jobs also offered up a view of "iTV"; a device coming out in 2007 that acts a bridge between your PC and your HDTV.

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one problem

Ok say you BUY these movies and your Ipod goes out. Are you able to redownload the movies for free or you have to pay for them again?

If it was me i would rather have the DVD and uploaded it to the Ipod then, i have a hard copy of it.

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September 12th, @05:45PM

Re: one problem

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

Ok say you BUY these movies and your Ipod goes out. Are you able to redownload the movies for free or you have to pay for them again?

If it was me i would rather have the DVD and uploaded it to the Ipod then, i have a hard copy of it.
You can't download your iTunes songs (well, once, but you have to ask nicely) if you lose them, so I would imagine not.

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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

Ok say you BUY these movies and your Ipod goes out. Are you able to redownload the movies for free or you have to pay for them again?

Hmm.... let see... you have one copy on your PC/Mac and one copy on your iPod. I would say that's more of a backup plan than most people have. So if your iPod bites the bit then you still have a copy on your PC that you can sync your new iPod with.

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Re: one problem

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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

Ok say you BUY these movies and your Ipod goes out. Are you able to redownload the movies for free or you have to pay for them again?

Hmm.... let see... you have one copy on your PC/Mac and one copy on your iPod. I would say that's more of a backup plan than most people have. So if your iPod bites the bit then you still have a copy on your PC that you can sync your new iPod with.
You missed the point are you really going to keep 100 movies on your HD? What happens if your hard drive fails? Are you able to burn a copy to DVD? But whats the point. Low grade dvd video.
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Re: one problem

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said by Pictor Guy See Profile :

You missed the point are you really going to keep 100 movies on your HD? What happens if your hard drive fails? Are you able to burn a copy to DVD? But whats the point. Low grade dvd video.
Someone might. And if your HD fails then you backup from your iPod. Low grade DVD video? Better than VHS or VideoCD. Some people may be okay with that. The lower resolution TV shows that they've been selling for a while now have done very well. And what's to keep someone from backing up the video to DVD to later transfer back to a computer? As long as the other PC is authorized you should be okay.

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Re: one problem

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As long as the other PC is authorized you should be okay.
I really doubt they are going to keep a record of everything you download tho. They would be like you have it thats your problem.
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Re: one problem

Why not? That's the way it works before today with videos and music?

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If the world is fine with the disgusting pixelized quality Directv offers, there will be more than happy with this, I would bet that cat in your icon that people would actually think the quality is better.

Remember this is H.264 we are talking about not some Sorenson Video 3.

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September 12th, @08:17PM

Answer would be yes. If you are wanting to watch them on the computer later, without having the ipod to watch them off of, it would be seen by most as a way to keep them available to be able to choose and pick a selection when you travel.
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Rule #1. You download it.
Rule #2. You don't own it.
Rule #3. Watch it.
Loss, deletion, hardware failure, etc, is the viewer's responsibility.

You are paying for Instant Gratification.

That is why I like Netflix. I get decent selection, and if timed properly, I can get movies at about less than $2 ea. And no late payment penalty (that comes out of the increase in movie cost-per-return rate).

Apple's idea is not new. Just backed better with cooler toys. I am more intrigued by the iTV thing. I mean, if someone hacks it into a DVR or Slingbox-type of thing that allows iTunes to convert a DVD to a media file, and wifi through home to iTVs, well heynow! Ofcourse my PC and Xbx360 do that now.

BTW, I wanted to see a 30G NANO. Samsung has the chips since May. Give me instant-on Nano-pod. No delays. Fast on and fast off. Nice screen and 24hr battery...not bad. But someday...maybe when Toyota get's off its collective, arrogant arse and starts making iPod interfaces in ALL their cars (not just some Lexus models)

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Re: one problem

said by cableties See Profile :

Rule #1. You download it.
Rule #2. You don't own it.
Rule #3. Watch it.
Loss, deletion, hardware failure, etc, is the viewer's responsibility.

You are paying for Instant Gratification.

thank you for the answer, i was looking for.

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...maybe when Toyota get's off its collective, arrogant arse and starts making iPod interfaces in ALL their cars (not just some Lexus models)
how about the arrogance of thinking that Toyota would do anything for the ipod crowd? did you consider that?
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burn not just iTV

Now if we can burn them that will be very nice
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Re: burn not just iTV

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Now if we can burn them that will be very nice
That's the clincher for me, without being able to burn to DVD so I can watch on my set top, there is no way I'm buying "near DVD" quality videos that I can only watch on my computer.
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Re: burn not just iTV

I can burn music onto CD using Itunes, I would guess you can burn the DVD as well?

I have been downloading video (music) for a little while now, since they started doing it, and I can also put that on CD.

Itunes will complain if I do it 3 or so times but it still lets me do it.

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Re: burn not just iTV

You can only "back up" the movies as far as I know, and not in a format that your DVD player would be able to play, it'd just be the DRMed movie file on a disc really.

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Re: burn not just iTV

Exactly. You can't burn them except as a Data DVD from what I was gathering. The burning capabilities are the same as a "TV Show" which says that it can be backed up to data cd/dvd.
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said by cob_ See Profile :

said by jgkolt See Profile :

Now if we can burn them that will be very nice
That's the clincher for me, without being able to burn to DVD so I can watch on my set top, there is no way I'm buying "near DVD" quality videos that I can only watch on my computer.
I don't think most people will use this to replace their DVDs. But if you want you can always plug your laptop or iPod into your TV and watch the movie that way.
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they do not get it!!!

12-15 bucks for a limited download with nearly DVD resolution... WHAT IS THE FREA#$ING POINT on that!!

Can not burn, can not transfer can not not not not......
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Re: they do not get it!!!

Of course, you can thank the MPAA.

Apple would be lucky to make $1 profit on each movie sold.
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and I'm betting even if you used S-Video out, that wonderful Quicktime window won't quite even go to fullscreen!

If you could play these back fullscreen through a tv-out, and it looked ok on SDTV, it MIGHT be worth $3/movie or $10/subscription... oh wait, Apple won't do that.

Soooooo, what am I missing here?
You can't do a darn thing with these that's worth a darn!

..I especially do NOT like quicktime's INability to do Full Screen video like ...EVERY other player out there...

This is going to flop miserably.

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Re: they do not get it!!!

You can go to full screen if you buy it (register it), but it sure is little too of an important feature to disable in a trial version.

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Uhm you can play them full screen in iTunes and you could connect your iPod to the TV for full screen.

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said by chemaupr See Profile :

12-15 bucks for a limited download with nearly DVD resolution... WHAT IS THE FREA#$ING POINT on that!!

Can not burn, can not transfer can not not not not......
and on top of that, you dont even get the extras that came on the original DVD!
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way to go

I do give apple credit though. They are finally putting a great amount of the the old peer to peer media to legally be able to download it. Everyone has been saying that there was no way to get the content on kazaa for example except illegally. They have been very successfull but they still have a ways to go.
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Yawn.....

roll over and go back to sleep.

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Re: Yawn.....

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roll over and go back to sleep.
I'm with you. I'm struggling to find the selling point here besides conveinence, and I can't. I've been more than happy with my non-working iPod now for a year, so I'll be in no rush to buy anything I don't really need. On top of that, I don't even think I'd want this, so that makes a purchase that much less likely.

Waste of $, imho.
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To much money

Way to damn pricey. I can just wait a few months for a dvd to go on sale for $10.
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Re: To much money

Post of the day.

Right on.

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WHOLLY 133tXor!

Apple stock must be skyrocking on this news.
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A big yawn on all 3.

new ipods? More like upgraded to nothing at all. I guess Apple does not care about falling behind in features like newer better mp3 players already out. Glad i bought my Sandisk player.

Itunes movie downloads? hehe I think everyone is laughing at this. DRM laden movies, low quality, no support except from Disney and a few small movie companies. I would rather watch apple.com movie trailers than download movies from itunes.

Video bridge unit? All but diehard apple fans fall back to sleep yelling at Steve Jobs for waking them up.
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Re: A big yawn on all 3.

isn't this what everyone said when the first iPod came out? isn't this what everyone said when the iTunes Music Store first opened? How's the iPod and the iTunes Music Store doing now?
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Re: A big yawn on all 3.

said by chibianh See Profile :

isn't this what everyone said when the first iPod came out? isn't this what everyone said when the iTunes Music Store first opened? How's the iPod and the iTunes Music Store doing now?
It is actully doing bad now, a few days ago it was said that Ipods sells droped in HALF in one quarter. That is a huge drop no matter how you spin it.

No one said Ipod was not a push to Mp3 player sales, its just now they are behind in other players for price vs performance/features out there of others. You can't say that about itunes since that pretty much goes hand in hand with the sale of a ipod to a normal user. Itunes is a failure from the start, everyone knows this, its just it was something people had to use with Ipods when first came out.

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September 12th, @08:47PM

said by chibianh See Profile :

How's the iPod and the iTunes Music Store doing now?
Dunno. Have no use for an iPos and half the time I try to access iTunes it either comes back as "temporarily unavailable" or a search comes up with something else entirely than I was looking for.

Can't say they are "doing well". Can't care what they are doing, in fact.

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Re: A big yawn on all 3.

"they'd drink Jobs' piss and call it wine."

LOL! Quote of the day right there.

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Movie resolution???

Who wants to pay for low quality movies anyway? Can you transfer the movies to other devices? If not, I would rather pay for DVD movies. Of course, they cost a little bid more but the quality is higher and they can be ripped and tranfered to other dvd devices.

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As usual, Canada left in the dark!!

As usual Canadians are left in the dark, sighs.........
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Re: As usual, Canada left in the dark!!

Till 2007 when it's international

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rentals?

I think it would be a better market if they offered rentals and the files would delete themselves from your computer in a few days.

But as far as iTunes 7 goes, its the laggiest one yet. If I try to listen to music while playing games it lags to hell. I hope that is fixed soon.

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Re: rentals?

In a way a rental service would have to force delete your drmed rentals. Because no matter what any drm scheme will be cracked, so if you hold onto your rentals long enough you will be able to strip them of their drm. Sure microsoft will fix the drm in record time, but that would only effect new downloads.

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September 12th, @10:10PM

Hmm

While I'm a fan of many things Apple, this movie store is a very poor idea at its current price point.

Maybe if movies were $3 or so I'd buy one. I'm thinking this store will be popular with the bored rich people out there who have so much money that they don't know what to do with it all.

I'll stick with Netflix.
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How is Apple falling behind

Apple is still by far the best seller of MP3 players. People don't buy iPods every day or every time a new one comes out, maybe after 3 years or so. I just gave a look at the sanddisk some1 posted above me, which was said to be superior. I looked at the specs, and since the new iPod pricing it's the same as the sandisk, it has 22g more storage. It still looks like shit unlike apple's iPod. It doesn't support many video formats which is also iPod's lacking point (which means converting videos). All in all for 250 bux the new iPod beats the competition outta the window.
I use my iPod as a data disk at some times holding some little blt of programs I need when doing a fresh windows install.
The zens from Creative are now 50 dollars more expensive, and have features that are beaten by apple right now.
iTV has a nice design to fit a living room, and has a great interface, will I buy one? probably not.

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Sync BACKWARDS...

I was browsing through apple's site and happened to stumble across something that nobody really seemed to notice. You can now sync all the music that's on your ipod BACK to the pc...and sync it as well.

Now that is good news.

...never mind, its only music purchased from apple.

»www.apple.com/itunes/sync/

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Re: Sync BACKWARDS...

You can always dump the ipod back on the HD on a PC....as a backup.
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Anyone actually DOWNLOADED it?

Click for full size
So, I went to Apple's download site to iTunes 7... and umm... unless my IQ dropped a couple hundred points... I can't figure out how to download. There is no available link on the page...

Server overload? Both IE7 and Firefox do the same thing.

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Re: Anyone actually DOWNLOADED it?

There's supposed to be a information and a link under the "Download Now" on the left.
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refresh the page

took awhile for it to come up for me too

on second thought, dont get it, at least until they fix the bugs.
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salt in the wound

I'd rather see a more robust competition for Portable Media Players!

IMHO, I think just about every other maker should have CUT PRICES IMMEDIATELY and made a bee-line for better products if they don't already have some out in the marketplace!!!
Otherwise its more of the same... 85% IPOD, and the rest of lesser players which cannot get a foothold in shaping the technology much like an early Intel rival AMD.

Where is the competition's price cut response?
Surely, the 30gb Creative Zen needs additional price trimming just to keep up, NO?

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Re: salt in the wound

Creative's prices are too high? LOL. I thought all you "anti-iPod" people were always bragging about how the off-brands had "more for your money". More WMA, if that's what you mean, LMAO.

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Isn't $15 what you pay for the DVD movie?

No copy protection + better quality + hard copy + extras > lossily compressed copy + DRM + digital copy

But they cost the same.

I don't get it. It seems like a no brainer what the better deal is. A used DVD would be better for cheaper, a new DVD would be better for the same price, and if you're into all you can eat-ish deals, usenet beats 'em all.
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