 patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | proprietory apple Get a real PDA phone with a real OS and a real API. | |
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join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ
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| Re: proprietory apple Although apple is party responsible for the shortcomings of the IPhone, but I'd blame ATT this time around.
You can't do VOIP over an anemic EDGE network. Now if Apple would have gone with Sprint, we would have already been using VoIP.
Even my 2 year old PPC6700 phone can do 800-1.1mbit. The most I've seen on edge is 130k... now that's sad. | |
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join:2008-03-03
Washington, DC | Re: proprietory apple which voip service do u use on sprint?
i have a motorola Q. | |
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join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME | Re: proprietory apple Skype works fine on my Mogul via wifi and evdo. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: proprietory apple Exactly, Windows Mobile is a proper OS (lets not go there) that doesn't get locked down at the whim of each carrier. I'm going to guess (don't know these too well) that Symbian and Palm also are proper OSes with open APIs which aren't arbitrarily limited by phone manufacturers or cell carriers. | |
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join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ | I have Skype installed on my PPC. | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | Shortcomings? You mean, you wish you could have one, but have a contract with another carrier? | |
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join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ
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| Re: proprietory apple hahahah
Dude... check this out...
I've been a sprint customer for 11 years. I have 3 sprint phones under my account. I have an ATT crackberry from work which I pulled its SIM card from and popped it in an 8gig iPhone I picked up from my coworker for 200 bucks.
More so... I have a verizon data card in my work backpack. The only network I don't get to play with is T-Mo's.
I asked a buddy of mine to lend me try his tmo sim on my iphone... i had to get near the window to get signal... so T-mo's crap to me. | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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join:2002-01-25
Wesley Chapel, FL | ???
You don't need a lot of bandwidth for voice. 5-10K tops. | |
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
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join:2002-02-26
Miami, FL
| said by patcat88  :Get a real PDA phone with a real OS and a real API. Of course, because the iPhone is not a real phone, doesn't have a real OS or real API's. Guess all that stuff is fake. 
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Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Nice troll. | |
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digiblur
Got Sipura?
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana
| said by patcat88 :Get a real PDA phone with a real OS and a real API. But but but.... my ughPhone is cute, even though it can't do anything. 
I think it is funny since people with real phones have had the ability to use VoIP over the WiFi and even the cellular connection for quite sometime!
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Johnny
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join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
| said by patcat88 :Get a real PDA phone with a real OS and a real API. I am going to assume that you have not programmed in the iPhone's API. I spent this weekend doing it and it is a full version of OS X with the new UIKit that supports fully animated views, layers, transparency, access to the Address Book API, access to the accelerometers, OpenGL or Quartz for drawing, and an iPhone simulator.
You develop in Objective-C on Xcode just as you do for desktop apps. The full Cocoa frameworks are available as well as the full OpenBSD layer.
As of now, you have to programmatically develop the interface elements of window, views, animations, buttons, sliders, switches, and there is a full touch events API for getting all the various combinations of multi-touch actions. Interface Builder will be supported in the final version and will make constructing the interface many times easier. | |
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: proprietory apple But its illegal to use that API to its fullest extent. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
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| Since they don't like the placement of the iPhone's cam... Maybe they could make an add-on camera that plugs into the iPhone to allow their video service to work how they want to?
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | Re: Since they don't like the placement of the iPhone's cam... They should do that. You could attach bar code scanners, RFID scanners etc etc... | |
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DavisPhotog
Flyingphotog
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-26
Edmonton, AB
clubs: | Re: Since they don't like the placement of the iPhone's cam... They've already shown that the SDK has *not* allowed access to the dock connector. So, until that happens, no add-on devices for the iPhone/iPod Touch. | |
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join:2007-05-14
Nashua, NH | Re: Since they don't like the placement of the iPhone's cam... Which would make a VOIP solution for the Touch useless, since there would need to be a dock attachment for a microphone... | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Re: Since they don't like the placement of the iPhone's cam... iPhone already has a microphone. All this company needs is to make a separate camera that its software could interface with. | |
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fozngoof
Premium
join:2003-07-08
Temple, TX
·AT&T Southwest
| IPhone haters???? lots of IPhone haters.....
Sounds like a niche market, I could be wrong though. (VoIP over WiFi............)
I agree, YES apple should have it.
But the IPhone is sooo much better in many other ways.
I have an 8525 from cingular/AT&T. Excellent phone/mobile computer. But my wife's IPhone internet ability is sooooo much greater. (and associated applications)
The phone you pick is EXTREMELY dependent on the tasks you want to do. I know many BlackBerry users who will never switch. I like my 8525, and the related "tilt", for what it does. I love the IPhone's internet and preloaded "maps" (with directory assistance, and directions)
Yes, you can download the applications to make your phone's work like an IPhone....but really.............................. | |
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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join:2004-09-02
Mountains
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| Re: IPhone haters???? said by fozngoof :Sounds like a niche market, I could be wrong though. (VoIP over WiFi............) Not sure about the US, but here in Europe, many ISPs allow you to use their triple play service over Wifi, when you're at home. Basically, they provide an SIP service that you can access over WiFi. This way, you still use your cool cellphone, with your addressbook, etc..., but don't use your cell plan minutes.
Some ISPs have taken this further, and allow you to roam and use the WiFi signal of any other user of the same ISP when you're not home. Of course, the SIP traffic goes through a separate WiFi channel, so you can't authenticate or see the other user's data WiFi channel.
So there would be a nice market if someone can make an SIP client, considering that iPhone purchasers here most likely have one of those triple play services.
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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| said by fozngoof :lots of IPhone haters..... Sounds like a niche market, I could be wrong though. (VoIP over WiFi............) I agree, YES apple should have it. But the IPhone is sooo much better in many other ways. I have an 8525 from cingular/AT&T. Excellent phone/mobile computer. But my wife's IPhone internet ability is sooooo much greater. (and associated applications) The phone you pick is EXTREMELY dependent on the tasks you want to do. I know many BlackBerry users who will never switch. I like my 8525, and the related "tilt", for what it does. I love the IPhone's internet and preloaded "maps" (with directory assistance, and directions) Yes, you can download the applications to make your phone's work like an IPhone....but really.............................. The iPhone will continue to be CRAP until they come out with a 30/60 gig model and NOT tethered to AT&T Wireless. 8 gig just makes it a POS and add AT&T and it makes it a truly worthless POS.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | iphone+ ATT wifi Starbucks hotsports...I smell a SMUG storm. ....it will be a SMUG storm of George Clooney Proportions! Please ATT, for the love of God, don't let this potential disaster happen! | |
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swarto112
join:2004-02-17
Boise, ID
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| phone hardware I also think that the hardware in the phone makes a difference. I like many people tended to get the freebies or up to mid-level phones and that always seemed to lead me to not like the service. I used a RAZR on Tmobile and that sucked. I switched back to AT&T after many years away and bought the new RAZR2. Wow what a differnence. The 3G service is fantastic and I stuck with a Moto since I used their software (moto phone tools) to sync with Exchange I wanted the same functionality. Also, a side benefit is that I can use my RAZR2 as a modem without having to pay for the data service because the moto software allows functionality and the AT&T software doesnt. I've tested the speed using my laptop with VPN on (work pc) out camping and could pull between 500 - 1.5Mbps. In town, I consistently pull in towards the higher end. Additionally, the RAZR2 itself as a web browser and TV service is really good. The screen isnt huge but it works well and comes in handy to keep the kids happy. Muppets, Disney and all the stuff comes with the service so they can watch shows off the phone. Quite frankly I tried both the IPHONE and the RAZR2 and other than the screen sizes I think the R2 is a better phone...at least for me.
So having used Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile..I think AT&T has started to pull their head out their rear and should continue to keep doing well. Don't get me wrong as I dumped ma bell 5 or 6 years ago because the phones sucked, the service sucked and customer service sucked. I jumped over to T-Mobile for a few years and was happy except my house was in the middle of a low signal zone so that made it sucky at home and traveling was ok as long as I was near an Interstate or major city. Verizon wasn't any better than AT&T at least for me in my area. I've used LG, Nokia and Ericsson as perferred the Nokia when I was on T-mobile, LG when I was on Verizon and just plain dont like the Ericssons at all. | |
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avd706
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join:2003-02-06
Great Neck, NY | They don't need a new camera..... Just a mirror (they could flip the picture in software) or some sort of prism. | |
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