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| Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't Dude I'm so sick of your posts.
1) Data given to the government had NO OVERSIGHT as they were warrantless wiretaps
2) Employees readily admitted to spying on Americans (Soldiers, Aid Workers, etc) and being told to do so by their higher ups. | |
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| Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't said by jc100 :1) Data given to the government had NO OVERSIGHT as they were warrantless wiretaps Of course there was oversight by the government - just not the courts(which is only 1 part of the government). -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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join:2008-09-02 Stockbridge, GA | Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't Read the constitution before you post next TK, and try and understand why liberals won the election (Hint: Due to republications who pretend to stand for small government and bs everyone) | |
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| i sort of agree there was 'oversight', but that's because the bush administration ordered it. they ignored to whole bit on getting a warrant for millions of phone lines and possible internet connections.
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| Oversight.. by Whom? The people who gave the blank check to go about the program any way they saw fit. Ya, that's real checks and balances taking place. Maybe you need to read the constitution a bit better where it says there are courts in our system to make sure the government doesn't get too powerful. Judicial system. Ever heard of that before? Probably not. | |
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| Re: Data used by NSA did have oversight - the US gov't said by jc100 :Maybe you need to read the constitution a bit better where it says there are courts in our system to make sure the government doesn't get too powerful. I think there's also something about guilty until proven innocent?
If you think 18 USC 2511's recognition of Executive power is unconstitutional, or was abused by that branch (or, misapplied by Congress when they referred to it as the basis for so-called "immunity"), the solution is to take your grievance to the court. Not sit around talking about how the current administration "broke the law."
I understand the EFF *finally* did this. Too bad they wasted a year on personal-injury lawsuits. All that did was force Congress to put even *more* congressional intent behind 18 USC 2511(!). A very important element in determining whether the President abused that law.
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| Re: Bell said by Madness :I find it odd that a Bell System logo was posted for this story. This BS would've been unheard of back then! It was, just that some of the article was was more accepted at the time than it is now but it is easier to do today, and the media is more hair triggered to get the first word out. Also, news dissemination is much faster due to the internet, computers, and automated offices than it was in the 50's, 60's.
As far as the employee firing, depending on their level/position in the company, they could have been fired and the media would most likely never post it, if they heard about it.
Many folks forget that Bell and the US government were very cooperative with each other in the 50's and 60's. Even after the split, in the 80's, a briefcase full of blank John Doe warrants would give access to all the records, with the information filled out on the spot if the investigator found something he wanted to copy (different technology than today, they had to go to the telco office to copy it). -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
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| Vz & AT&T: We're shocked, shocked! Karl framed the issue perfectly. One standard of outrage for the favored elite, another for the rest of us poor schlubs.
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| Re: Vz & AT&T: We're shocked, shocked! said by MoeDumb :Karl framed the issue perfectly. One standard of outrage for the favored elite, another for the rest of us poor schlubs. And I can't help feeling that if this had been John McCain's privacy that was breached, no one would care. Nothing new about that, I went through one of the anti-porn/child abuse internet monitoring sites some time ago and the escort was giving us some information on some of the "kids" talking (made this sailor boy blush) on the screen. Most were normal sick Joes, but probably an eighth (just my poor memory) of the scum she pointed to were said to be untouchable because of money or politics. And it was both male to boy and male to girl conversations (and yes, women do it too, but there were none on that day).
Always has been and always will be, with money and connections you are treated differently unless you screw up big time and in public, piss off someone even more elite, or irritate the media.
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| said by MoeDumb :And I can't help feeling that if this had been John McCain's privacy that was breached, no one would care. At least not unless it got out that he had phone sex with Bible Spice. I mean, she had to blow someone to get on the gee oh pee ticket because it certainly had nothing to do with her intelligence. | |
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| Standard Idiots in the Workplace Issue I've worked at different companies were employees had access to regular & VIP accounts. People were made well aware who should not be in certain accounts and the consequences for doing so. But every few months some moron would get caught going through their boyfriend/girlfriend's(or husband/wife's)account or some VIP's account and get fired. People do idiot things like that at almost any kind of job. They even act shocked when they are told they are being fired. | |
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| The whole thing is a joke The whole situation makes me sick and I blame both parties for it. The "oversight" is a joke considering the courts are bypassed. I don't count on the government providing oversight to themselves. That's the inmates running the asylum. Furthermore, I don't think any of this will do a thing to stop terror but will provide the elite a little nice tool to blackmail each other with and on lower levels, listen in on phone sex. Way to go on the war on terror. I feel so much safer. | |
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