 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium join:2012-01-26 AA169|170 kudos:2 | AT&T blows here In my area of SoCal I'm lucky to see 5Mb from AT&T's LTE. From Verizon I routinely get 9Mb+ (with a MiFi puck) and the same with Clear's WiMax puck (and Clear is truly unlimited...until they go bankrupt anyway). | |
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1 edit | Re: AT&T blows here AT&T also has the less bandwidth for LTE. Heck, in some markets they only have 10Mhz, while Verizon has 30Mhz to 50Mhz.
Once the 4G devices start rolling out, AT&T customers are going to suffer quite a bit.
Not to mention, with the AT&T LTE service, you ironically cannot talk and surf at LTE. Whenever a call comes in, data drops down to 3G. | |
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| Re: AT&T blows here AT&T has some 10x10 markets (I think Houston is one). This is compared to a full 10x10 network for VZW...AT&T has only 5x5 in other markets, as you implied here. As of right now neither carrier has delpoyed non-700MHz LTE, so active carriers top out at a single 10x10. | |
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 |  AlcoholPremium join:2003-05-26 Climax, MI kudos:3 | 10mbps on HSPA+. 20mbps on LTE. Pretty consistent. This is only with 3/5 bars.
LTE in NYC. HSPA+ in west NJ. -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. | |
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 |  CjaicemanPremium,MVM join:2004-10-12 Parker, CO kudos:2 | You didn't use the same speed test server, so your results are not valid. Use the same speed test server, then try again. -- TorDek: "DSLR... Here, were not just experts... were also vindictive bastards..."  | |
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| Re: LTE Isn't so great - said by Cjaiceman:You didn't use the same speed test server, so your results are not valid. Use the same speed test server, then try again. I don't think that's really a problem. The servers were close enough (one was 30 minutes west, the other 15 minutes south). And other speed tests through out the day had similar numbers.
For example, at 9:33am I posted a 511/23 (269ms) on 4G. Then the one you see above. Then, at 12:31, I switched the t'bolt over to 3G and it pulled a 992/169.
Something was clearly wrong with the 4G network during that time.
Also, at work, 3 blocks away, my t'bolt SUCKS at keeping a stable 4G connection. As do several of our mobile WiFi/4G jobbie thingies. | |
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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman join:2000-09-20 Washington, DC kudos:1 | LTE Deployment Comparison... What's even more pathetic is that Verizon can light up nearly as many LTE markets as AT&T has in its whole network in a single day.
AT&T is at 38 LTE markets now. The last LTE deployment press release from AT&T: 3 markets... »www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4···ear=2012
As for the latest new release on LTE from Verizon, take your pick: »news.verizonwireless.com/LTE/Overview.html
Maps: AT&T: »www.att.com/network/ 38 LTE Markets vs. Verizon: »network4g.verizonwireless.com/ 258 LTE Markets
Verizon is absolutely wiping the floor with AT&T. As I said before, I hope that Sprint and T-mobile will finish the job. -- "We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it." Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army | |
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 |  | | Re: LTE Deployment Comparison... Verizon has to do that since they are on cdma, att can take their time. I get 7/3 on my iphone 4s . Att has the speed o ntheir 3g network to wait and do the 4g roll out slowly if needed.
Also keep in mind lte is only data as of right now anyway. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: LTE Deployment Comparison... Where? Certainly not in NYC or any other major city along the East coast. I have to wait until 4am to hit 3 to 5.5 MB DL. UL's on the majority of their network are also still capped at about 1Mbits. | |
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 |  |  IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman join:2000-09-20 Washington, DC kudos:1 | Taking its time? Hardly. ... AT&T rebranded a 3G network 4G...after telling T-Mobile that it can't/shouldn't do that. AT&T needed to do that because its so far behind Verizon, that not doing do would be even more embarrassing for AT&T than the LTE market statistics I gave above:
38 LTE markets for AT&T 258 LTE markets for Verizon -- "We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it." Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army | |
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| The irony is that the majority of AT&T's HSPA+ network apparently had the fiber in place. Therefore, the installation of LTE should have been a walk in the park. This just goes to show that Southwestern Bell (i.e AT&T) are just good at spinning the PR.
Heck, in the DC area alone. I am yet to see a new cell site from the original small roll-out in about 10 months now. They're clearly building this out as they did with 3G, which is actually still being built throughout the nation.
Another point, why do these idiots (AT&T) make it so difficult to distinguish LTE from 3G on their maps. Surely LTE should be a different color. | |
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 |  |  IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman join:2000-09-20 Washington, DC kudos:1 | Perhaps AT&T is willing to consider the deployment of a single LTE tower market coverage?
At this point, to catch up to Verizon which has 6x the number of LTE markets, I wouldn't put it AT&T to do something like this. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: LTE Deployment Comparison... Installing a single carrier per site will lead Verizon into an exceptional problem by the end of 2013. You will find they were so busy getting markets on air, that by the time they come back to counter the congestion the single carriers have they will have lost the respect of their customer base. Do you know anything about installing a wireless network, or are you basing your education off of a Verizon press release and a picture of a cell tower? | |
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 |  |  |  |  Markie join:2003-07-26 Kalispell, MT | Re: LTE Deployment Comparison... midwesttech, a 10MHz LTE carrier has a PHY layer downlink speed of 100mbps. Even accounting for real world less-than-perfect radio conditions, that's a lot of bandwidth. To compare, it's equivalent to FOUR 5MHz "21mbps" HSPA+ (HSDPA Cat 10) carriers. Which are used for voice in addition to data. AT&T's doing great here with two carriers, and running one carrier in rural areas.
Verizon's not doing a "piss-poor" job with LTE because of running a single 10x10 carrier. With 2-4GB caps, I think it's plenty. Remember, there's two ways to add capacity - more carriers/bandwidth or more, smaller cell sites. The 10MHz carrier is very wide also. It's equivalent in capacity to dozens of EVDO carrier (100mbps/3mbps PHY speeds = 33 EVDO carriers).
The issue Verizon has is their LTE site spacing is extremely large... coverage is bad (actually, their site spacing even in CDMA land is really wide, I don't know why Verizon has such a good reputation to be honest... my experience has been the opposite especially indoors and the like). This is good for them because then they can claim they "need" more spectrum (to keep it out of the hands of new competitors) when honestly, they could do fine nationwide with a 10x10 LTE carrier - if they spaced sites much closer together. | |
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| It is a different color now. But you have to be zoomed in pretty close since their LTE coverage is so laughable. »wireless.att.com/coverageviewer. Last updated May 20th, 2012 - in the future! | |
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4G LTE (viewable at 120 miles and closer)
Bwahhahahahah! | |
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| Re: LTE Deployment Comparison... ...and Verizon isn't. I'll be bouncing around the US for the next 2.5 weeks (Denver, Raleigh-Durham, everywhere between Austin and West Palm Beach, inclusive) and in most of the populated areas I'll visit I'll have LTE on my iPad, which works amazingly well. Unfortunately I won't be able to compare side-by-side with AT&T coverage...the family's only active T device (Motorola w376) tops out at GPRS.
Now, if AT&T actually had decent SIM-only data plans, I'd test with them too (I have an unlocked HSPA+ 21 modem that supports 850/1900 bands). But they don't. | |
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 |  EndyPremium join:2003-01-07 Riverside, CA | Re: I am happy with my V LTE... The fastest speed test I've seen with my Bionic is at Toys R Us at the Tyler mall in Riverside, CA, 48/32. It hovered around there through five tests. ...I was bored 'n' standing behind some mean lady yelling at the cashier for whatever reason. At Wood Rd and Cajalco in Riverside, while tethered (EasyTether, hell yeah), I'll get around 34 - 40mb/s through Astraweb. Average at home is about 20 - 30. It's faster than my TWC cable connection. That's saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Still Useless The wonders of LTE should only be extolled when it takes longer than a day to blow through your monthly cap.
»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373767,00.asp -- Romney 2012 - Put an adult in charge. | |
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VoLTE however should be nice in that it will all be IP based so voice quality should go up - "HD Voice". I'll be glad once power usage comes down too, for now i'll buy the HSPA+ "only" version of the SGS3 unless the S4 USA version (i'm guessing) shows better battery life promises and I can turn off LTE  | |
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 SysOp join:2001-04-18 Douglasville, GA | fastest speeds? Given I would be using an LTE cell phone and at the most streaming a movie and at the least rendering a webpage, I really don't care.
What I want LTE to do for me is lower the price for data. | |
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 |  SysOp join:2001-04-18 Douglasville, GA | Re: Best LTE is the one that has the most coverage +1 for coverage over fastest speed | |
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 | | Early tests were done by a Iphan boi Obviously someone was using the Iphone 4G to run these *tests*, right ?
I get very close to 40Mbps down and 15Mbps up on Verizon with a Galaxy Nexus. Try that on AT&T. | |
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 | | My highest verizon speed The reason i am on here is to ask anyone of their lte speeds are through the roof as well. I average 20 to 37 mbps down, and 10 to 16 upload speeds. The highest recorded speed was 41mbps down. I live in Upland CA. Not too far from L.A. but does that mean everybody in between me and L.A. has such amazing speeds??? | |
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