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| Huh? My first thought was "how is this good for students"? I had 10Mbps ethernet in the dorms in 1993 -- the only problem was ethernet cards cost about $200 then.
I guess students can bypass university filters and torrent their asses off, and the university doesn't get any grief from the **AAs -- AT&T gets to deal with the takedown notices. | |
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| Re: Huh? said by wifi4milez  :said by jester121 :I guess students can bypass university filters and torrent their asses off, and the university doesn't get any grief from the **AAs -- AT&T gets to deal with the takedown notices. I knew someone would bring that up, but in reality I dont see it being much of a problem. These are graduate students we are talking about, not 17 year olds like those who pepper this site with comments about how downloading/uploading isnt illegal. At the end of the day, I suspect MBA students likely know the difference between stealing and being professional individuals. Yes, and Gov. Spitzer knew the law. | |
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| Re: Huh? said by rcdailey :said by wifi4milez :said by jester121 :I guess students can bypass university filters and torrent their asses off, and the university doesn't get any grief from the **AAs -- AT&T gets to deal with the takedown notices. I knew someone would bring that up, but in reality I dont see it being much of a problem. These are graduate students we are talking about, not 17 year olds like those who pepper this site with comments about how downloading/uploading isnt illegal. At the end of the day, I suspect MBA students likely know the difference between stealing and being professional individuals. Yes, and Gov. Spitzer knew the law. Spitzer was so cheap he made the hooker take worst train to the hotel. It is funny when the Hookers said, "He's a weirdo" wanting strange sex acts. Except the last hooker, Spitzer got complaints from the hookers on his weird "requests" that cost him $5,500 each time. Spitzer got caught due to tax issues with the IRS. The IRS thought he was taking bribes or using campaign funds illegally till they tapped some phones. I bet the wife will be leaving this "weirdo" soon.
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| said by rcdailey :said by wifi4milez :said by jester121 :I guess students can bypass university filters and torrent their asses off, and the university doesn't get any grief from the **AAs -- AT&T gets to deal with the takedown notices. I knew someone would bring that up, but in reality I dont see it being much of a problem. These are graduate students we are talking about, not 17 year olds like those who pepper this site with comments about how downloading/uploading isnt illegal. At the end of the day, I suspect MBA students likely know the difference between stealing and being professional individuals. Yes, and Gov. Spitzer knew the law. There will always be exceptions. My point is that for the most part, graduate students arent going to spend their time "seeding" bit torrent (or whatever the term is the kids use these days) and stealing music.
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| Re: Huh? said by David :said by wifi4milez :At the end of the day, I suspect MBA students likely know the difference between stealing and being professional individuals. Yea, the only difference is they are professional at not getting caught hence VPN traffic. Again, I need to disagree. Most people stop stealing music/software/etc after college, if they did it at all. You generally grow up and realize its not that big of a deal to spend a couple of dollars on something that you plan on using.
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| bogey780
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Covington, LA | 'I had 10Mbps ethernet in the dorms in 1993 '
And it probably went back to a T-1C or a T-2. If it was a major university it might have went back to a T-3. This is backhauled to a gigabit ring. Quite a bit better. | |
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| Re: Huh? said by bogey780 :'I had 10Mbps ethernet in the dorms in 1993 ' And it probably went back to a T-1C or a T-2. If it was a major university it might have went back to a T-3. This is backhauled to a gigabit ring. Quite a bit better. Can't remember, I went to Penn State and they had pretty fat pipes even then. Of course at the time there wasn't much to do on the internet other than IRC, newsgroups, e-mail, and FTP. | |
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| said by bogey780 :'I had 10Mbps ethernet in the dorms in 1993 ' And it probably went back to a T-1C or a T-2. If it was a major university it might have went back to a T-3. This is backhauled to a gigabit ring. Quite a bit better. That was back when a T1 cost several thousand dollars in just port costs, so to say that what ATT is offering now is better than then is a big, "No Duh!"
I'd wager that poster is saying is that ATT offering 10Mbps connectivity to a dorm is not really all that much to be proud of since most universities have 100Mbps to the dorm room, some even have GigE, with multi-gig backbones to more than 10Mbps WAN links.
A better question is why didn't the University just wire the dorm themselves? Most students are already paying for that type of access via technology fees. | |
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Valencia, CA | Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not If its a new build, it should at least be fiber.
I can't imagine new installs on POTS / VDSL over twisted pair copper unless it was cat 5e or better.
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| Re: Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not said by en102 :If its a new build, it should at least be fiber. I can't imagine new installs on POTS / VDSL over twisted pair copper unless it was cat 5e or better. Yeah, this new build out should be in at least cat 5e. To bad i'm not going there and its only housing for grad level students  | |
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Covington, LA | Eh? I dunno what the big deal in the post is about. For xDSL technology Cat5 and Cat3 are virtually identical. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not This is the future so hang on tight. | |
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Valencia, CA | What I'm talking about is:
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and not have
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Rialto, CA | Re: Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not IF it is a new build, why not run fiber to the inside walls? Then the conversion from fiber to copper could take place at the individual computer or workstation. | |
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| POTS is a service type. Cat5e is a wire type. It's like saying you'd rather have 12VDC than have 12-2 romex.
Common wire used in POTS installations are Cat3 or Cat5e. Either is acceptable for dialtone or most xDSL service. Few places put anything lower grade than that. Really most contractors run Cat5e for all their data and voice needs. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not I've got 26 guage in my house... looks like spaghetti... bend it twice and it falls apart.
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| If you had fiber to every room in the building, you'd be able to have a very short ethernet cable from the converter to the computer and be operating at 1Gb rates instead of 100BaseT.
That would be more state of the art and similar to what Verizon is doing in some buildings even now. | |
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| Re: Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not said by rcdailey :If you had fiber to every room in the building, you'd be able to have a very short ethernet cable from the converter to the computer and be operating at 1Gb rates instead of 100BaseT. That would be more state of the art and similar to what Verizon is doing in some buildings even now. You can do GigE (1Gb) over CAT5e. | |
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| Re: Next Generation building on ... VDSL - I hope not Yes, I've seen that listed. It would probably be overkill at this time to run fiber to every room, but if it were done now, then as time went on, the system might be able to deliver better than 1Gb to each computer with no need to run new cable inside the walls. Then again, new wireless technology might make all this moot.
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| MyDogHsFleas
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| I know Karl said "AT&T struck a deal to bring VDSL"... but I think that's an assumption on his part, and perhaps a bad one. According to another post, the transport is really the campus Ethernet, they are not running VDSL over twisted pairs to the rooms. | |
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Raleigh, NC | STB for IPTV content? Is there some CA/DRM package for the laptop to get access to IPTV content? Or do the students have to use a u-verse STB to get the content? | |
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| Re: STB for IPTV content? said by disc :Is there some CA/DRM package for the laptop to get access to IPTV content? Or do the students have to use a u-verse STB to get the content? There is no computer access to U-verse TV content at this time. Doesn't mean there couldn't be in the future, via an adapter card or something. | |
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By using Uverse they'll get the benefit of just buying packages and channels that AT&T has already has but low maintenance (hopefully) and customize ability with IPTV delivery | |
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Austin, TX | Re: Doesn't sound like a bad idea. According to another post, there's no RG in the room, the IPTV is transported over the campus Ethernet. | |
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| Re: Doesn't sound like a bad idea. Thats what I was thinking it would be, it makes sense, an IPTV deployment would mean you could lower build and maintenance. With only one medium to run thats a lot less in the beginning and the IPTV platform could prove to be very efficient and useful for a low cost, say very low VOD or lecture broadcasts, heck even local broadcasts of University events! | |
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| The Real Deal... AT&T will be supplying U-Verse video services to the students in this new dormitory. Ethernet will be provided by the university, and will be the method of transport for this IPTV service. AT&T will be using an IPTV STB that will use the ethernet backhaul to their peering center on the campus backbone.
AT&T offered us the same service on our last round of RFPs that we just back two weeks ago. | |
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| Is this just retarded? You are building new student housing probably some sort of apartments. Why would you run VDSL to every room when they have this magical thing called Ethernet? Fiber to the building Ethernet to the apartments. Plug in your PC, DVR whatever straight to the wall with no extra CPE. I think that makes more sense to me.
Well I read the AT&T press release and it says nothing about VDSL. Probably what I'm thinking is what will happen. It's probably all a marketing ploy.
The way I see it if you erected a building 10 years ago you probably would have run coax for television. It's just the future. Everything's going Ethernet & IP these days. Analog TV distribution equipment isn't cheap. Run some fiber (which is going to be run anyways for a new student housing) and there's plenty of bandwidth to run a cable service on top of the already required voice and data networks. Why wire phone & coax & Ethernet when you can just wire Ethernet and deliver everything through one network? It's just the way of the future and AT&T is spinning it into a marking gimmick.
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| said by joako :You are building new student housing probably some sort of apartments. Why would you run VDSL to every room when they have this magical thing called Ethernet? I think someone said above that in another post that its going to be over the campus Ethernet, but yeah, it would be stupid if they went with VDSL or POTS. Its a new housing building and it would be worth it to invest in something like fiber because its not undergrads that are going to be there, its grad and professional housing so they're more than likely not to abuse it as undergrads would. | |
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| UH on BBreports :) I currently attend UH and am suprised to see my school mentioned. This news isn't that surpising because the college of technology has an AT&T lab for training networking students. Think this deal is going to be for the new graduate student apartments the university is building. These aren't like dorms but like real apartments so that graduate students can live on campus. | |
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